Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

New deck idea: Donphan, Landrus, zekrom, shaymin

joedexter23

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It would essentially be ZPTS but with Donphan being the main attacker with a fully set up heavy impact. Open with Landrus, use a few harvests while setting up donphan with an energy attached drop shaymin, move energy to donphan, heavy impact each turn.

Once your active donphan is getting weak, seeker shaymin or drop another one to move all energy to your new set up donphan on the bench.

Also Zekrom is in there to power up his outrage attack from donphans earthquake (use against a weak pokemon where impact isn't nessisary). Also is a good second attacker.

What does everyone think??? Viable?
 
It would essentially be ZPTS but with Donphan being the main attacker with a fully set up heavy impact. Open with Landrus, use a few harvests while setting up donphan with an energy attached drop shaymin, move energy to donphan, heavy impact each turn.

Once your active donphan is getting weak, seeker shaymin or drop another one to move all energy to your new set up donphan on the bench.

Also Zekrom is in there to power up his outrage attack from donphans earthquake (use against a weak pokemon where impact isn't nessisary). Also is a good second attacker.

What does everyone think??? Viable?

As someone who builds a lot of unconventional decks, I might as well give you the general thought-process rundown for how to approach ideas. Now, I'm not going to say whether your idea is 'good' or 'bad', since hey, I'm not clairvoyant, and I can't pretend like I am good enough to do so. Regardless, let's begin.

We need to establish your major goal. What win condition are you attempting to achieve? From what I'm seeing, it looks like it's going to be Donphan and Landorus taking knock outs. Okay, that sounds easy enough to look at, so let's go from there.

Generally what you want is to prepare against the worst condition. The worst condition is the litmus for your deck performing well. If you can anticipate the worst condition in some way and figure out a means to get out, then you've got a functioning strategy, and from there, you can think about making a functioning deck.

To figure out your worst condition, there's a handy process I use - look at how long it takes for you to set up in an optimal state, and assume disruption in all areas of movement, whether in draw or from your opponent. What does this mean?

It means that you need to be able to anticipate and look at situations like "What if you start with no energy?" or "What if you start with a Phanpy instead of a Landorus?" For your deck to succeed, you need to be able to somehow negate the setbacks by these disruptions within your setup. Take for example, Magnezone / Eelektrik - it has the potential for a less than stellar start, so you seek to get out of it. Once you do, you're generally in the clear to proceed as usual.

The question and task for you from me, therefore, is look at your deck and think "what quality does this deck have that negates the possibility of a poor start?" If you cannot find a sufficient quality to negate the poor start that will allow you to come back from, then you're going to be playing a deck with problems.

Next, look at the general meta. Are there cards that you're facing an autoloss against? If so, how often is it played? If you're playing against a deck that is an autoloss but isn't played very well, then it's negligible. However, if you're playing a card that is an autoloss, then you need to approach this carefully. Can you

  • Outspeed this card?
  • Overwhelm it?
  • OHKO it?
  • Rebound sufficiently against it?

If you can't fulfill at least two of these criteria, then you're going to have problems. Let's look at the Magnezone / Eelektrik deck again, since I feel that deck has the best commonalities in error with yours, and through analyzing, maybe we can see where you may face problems when they may not.

Magnezone / Eelektrik is weak against fighting Pokemon, yes. However, looking at the criteria again, we know that against enemy Pokemon it can overwhelm, OHKO, and rebound sufficiently against its weaknesses. That's 3 out of 4. Looking at yours, can you fulfill at least 2?

2 is generally the number I use for figuring out the criteria because 2 is the 'backup' strategy involved. If your initial strategy fails, then you have a backup to rely upon. Of course, they may be exclusive (overpowering may not be as good as rebound), but they may also be highly inclusive (outspeed can work with overwhelming). Let's look at Kyurem, your biggest challenge.

Kyurem, if hit with Earthquake, will knock out Donphan and Landorus for a single Double Colorless Energy. Glaciate will soften you up. Therefore, looking at it this way, do you have a means to counter Kyurem? Zekrom, as you stated, if for his Outrage attack. That does not seem like a counter to Kyurem.

What challenges does it face against you? How can you deal with it? Those questions will frame the construction of your strategy, and then your deck.

Make no mistake - I'm not saying your idea is 'bad', but neither am I saying it is 'good', either. It needs work, but nevertheless shows potential. It's not the most novel idea, and the combination is obvious, but generally pace your turns, see how long it takes for you to set up, and always presume the absolute possible worst in a situation. Can you deal with that situation? If so, why not? Can you tweak it to create more favourable conditions? If so, why not?

Constant testing and mindful simulations will always be helpful in determining whether your idea will pan out or not.
 
jjkkl, I'm going to use this method for building my next deck. Your advice was so helpful.

OP: Basically what jjkk said.
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The problem is, Landorus is too easy to play around. I tested it a ton before cities. With that being that case, you're better off just going Donphan...and Dragons, which is essentially what you have. BTW, the Shaymin tech in DandD is money.
 
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