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It is possible that I overlooked something, but I do not see any rulings specifically under "Copycat" in the Compendium, at least not in regard to concept of a hand whose size is zero.
A player with zero cards in her hand is able to play Copycat. The player always has a hand, even if that hand is zero. That is how I understand it. Here is the text I have to back me up:
Copycat on the other hand just says "shuffle your hand into your deck". A hand of zero cards is a legal hand, so you can play it even if you have no cards in your hand. You still shuffle, even if you have no cardsin your hand.
The above is not from the Compendium but is actually a response from an ATM thread. One would think that this should be placed in the Compendium, given a previous ruling on Imposter Oak's Revenge (that is written in the Compendium). Am I overlooking something or have I found a contradiction?
Q. If my opponent has no hand and I play Imposter Oak's Revenge, do they still shuffle their deck?
A. If it says to shuffle cards into the deck, then NO SHUFFLING if no cards are shuffled in. If it states, Shuffle afterwards (like after using a Computer Search) then DO SHUFFLE!!! (Nov 30, 2000 WotC Chat, Q19)
Imposter Oak's Revenge: Discard a card from your hand in order to play this card. Your opponent shuffles his or her hand into his or her deck, then draws 4 cards.
Copycat: Shuffle your hand into your deck. Then, count the number of cards in your opponent's hand and draw that many cards.
Shouldn't they both work the same way? If a player's hand of zero is shuffled into her deck, she still gets to shuffle the zero cards from her hand into her deck, right?
It appears that the question in the above ruling contains a presupposition that is incorrect (the opponent has no hand).
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I judged a tournament yesterday and made an incorrect ruling. A player played Quick Ball.
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Pokemon. Show that Pokemon to your opponent and put it into your hand. Shuffle the other revealed cards back into your deck. (If you don't reveal a Pokemon, shuffle all the revealed cards back into your deck.)
The first card he revealed was a Pokemon. Then I reminded him to shuffle his deck. The player did not object.
The way I see it, the "other revealed cards" equal zero. He revealed zero cards, therefore he should shuffle zero cards back into his deck.
I do not fully comprehend the ruling on Quick Ball. Shouldn't it be consistent with the use of Copycat?
Q. If I use Quick Ball and the very first card revealed is a Pokemon, do I still have to shuffle my deck?
A. If the first revealed card is a Pokemon then the deck is not shuffled as there are no "other revealed cards" to shuffle back in. (Oct 25, 2007 PUI Rules Team)
And, if I can throw another ruling into the mix:
Q. If a card say to shuffle your deck after doing something like putting cards back in your deck but you do did not put any cards in your deck do you still shuffle? Like playing gambler with no cards in your hand?
A. Yes, you would. (August 17, 2000 WotC Chat Q91)
A player with zero cards in her hand is able to play Copycat. The player always has a hand, even if that hand is zero. That is how I understand it. Here is the text I have to back me up:
Copycat on the other hand just says "shuffle your hand into your deck". A hand of zero cards is a legal hand, so you can play it even if you have no cards in your hand. You still shuffle, even if you have no cardsin your hand.
The above is not from the Compendium but is actually a response from an ATM thread. One would think that this should be placed in the Compendium, given a previous ruling on Imposter Oak's Revenge (that is written in the Compendium). Am I overlooking something or have I found a contradiction?
Q. If my opponent has no hand and I play Imposter Oak's Revenge, do they still shuffle their deck?
A. If it says to shuffle cards into the deck, then NO SHUFFLING if no cards are shuffled in. If it states, Shuffle afterwards (like after using a Computer Search) then DO SHUFFLE!!! (Nov 30, 2000 WotC Chat, Q19)
Imposter Oak's Revenge: Discard a card from your hand in order to play this card. Your opponent shuffles his or her hand into his or her deck, then draws 4 cards.
Copycat: Shuffle your hand into your deck. Then, count the number of cards in your opponent's hand and draw that many cards.
Shouldn't they both work the same way? If a player's hand of zero is shuffled into her deck, she still gets to shuffle the zero cards from her hand into her deck, right?
It appears that the question in the above ruling contains a presupposition that is incorrect (the opponent has no hand).
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I judged a tournament yesterday and made an incorrect ruling. A player played Quick Ball.
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Pokemon. Show that Pokemon to your opponent and put it into your hand. Shuffle the other revealed cards back into your deck. (If you don't reveal a Pokemon, shuffle all the revealed cards back into your deck.)
The first card he revealed was a Pokemon. Then I reminded him to shuffle his deck. The player did not object.
The way I see it, the "other revealed cards" equal zero. He revealed zero cards, therefore he should shuffle zero cards back into his deck.
I do not fully comprehend the ruling on Quick Ball. Shouldn't it be consistent with the use of Copycat?
Q. If I use Quick Ball and the very first card revealed is a Pokemon, do I still have to shuffle my deck?
A. If the first revealed card is a Pokemon then the deck is not shuffled as there are no "other revealed cards" to shuffle back in. (Oct 25, 2007 PUI Rules Team)
And, if I can throw another ruling into the mix:
Q. If a card say to shuffle your deck after doing something like putting cards back in your deck but you do did not put any cards in your deck do you still shuffle? Like playing gambler with no cards in your hand?
A. Yes, you would. (August 17, 2000 WotC Chat Q91)
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