Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Official Announcement regarding rule changes with X & Y Release...

Otaku said:
Don't forget that low HP Pokémon still have to deal with Bench hits. Ones that you want in multiples are also vulnerable to [DEL]Warp Point[/DEL] Escape Rope.
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I'm gonna go ahead and disagree here. Bench damage was so critical because Catcher was consistent, and now with the nerf and likely lower play bench damage becomes less critical. After all if it's THAT dangerous for your deck you can throw in a Mr. Mime, problem solved. Or you can tech in a Max Potion and nullify 2+ turns of softening up a bench sitter. 30 damage just isn't as threatening once the follow up catcher goes. I know that that's what tends to cost me the most in this format with Stage 2 decks anyway. That's my ultimate concern with the new changes is the lack of good heavy snipe. Genesect's Ace Spec aside the majority of the good snipe is electric...which has no more support.

I'm not gonna say it's a bad change though, XY is coming and the nerf of Catcher tells me that the focus of the game is going to change as it tends to with new generations, maybe we'll see some better snipe to counter balance, maybe new disruption. It'll just be interesting for a bit until XY makes it's notable contributions...which I guess will be at least second set (going off of precedent)
 
I like these changes because it syncs us up with Japan. Pokemon Catcher will be one of the few tails fails cards we have, so I don't mind it. Professor Juniper/Professor Sycamore makes sense. The 1st turn rule will be interesting, especially if it allows Stage 2s to work again.
 
Mikey likes it..

GoldenSwablu said:
I like these changes because it syncs us up with Japan. Pokemon Catcher will be one of the few tails fails cards we have, so I don't mind it. Professor Juniper/Professor Sycamore makes sense. The 1st turn rule will be interesting, especially if it allows Stage 2s to work again.
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Lookey, we are essentially "trainers" in the game of Pokemon. Ditto to the 1st turn rule. Remember, "Rare Candy" rule, and the other erratas Pokemon has done including banned cards. Jus play the game or go over to the dark side...Magic. It's great to exercise your 5th, and i still scratch my head sometimes what Pokemon does. Above all i want my stage 2s to work in the game instead of being binder fodder. A little hint...this is a game of luck...flip a coin to see if "your awake"..... Go get 'em DJ....lol. [email protected]
 
I like this change in catcher. But, I would that enchanted hammer received this same change. Now, In first turn u can't attack, is strategic.
 
Which is better for the health of the game? "He played his 4 (Current) Catcher better than I played my 4 (Current) Catcher, so I lost," or "He flipped four heads on his (New) Catcher, I flipped four tails on my (New) Catcher, so I lost."
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From the Closed thread but this is so much true. If you thought Pokemon was a sacky game before wait until your opponent flips 4 Heads while you are lucky to flip 1 Heads. The game just got so much more luck based. I am 100% against this errata. The Supporter N should have been errated not Catcher. Now we are going to have another flippy card to decide games along with the better player getting N to 1 card and losing the game because we cant play both Sycamore and Juniper to get out of that N. Someone please explain to me how this is healthy for the game?

Game may as well be called Sackymon!!
 
I'm not worried about it being to flippy because I don't think many people will play it anymore, just like reversal was only played a little. (Regardless of the fact that it was still a strong card)
 
Otaku said:
Don't forget that low HP Pokémon still have to deal with Bench hits. Ones that you want in multiples are also vulnerable to [DEL]Warp Point[/DEL] Escape Rope.
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TheRolesWePlay said:
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree here. Bench damage was so critical because Catcher was consistent, and now with the nerf and likely lower play bench damage becomes less critical. After all if it's THAT dangerous for your deck you can throw in a Mr. Mime, problem solved. Or you can tech in a Max Potion and nullify 2+ turns of softening up a bench sitter. 30 damage just isn't as threatening once the follow up catcher goes. I know that that's what tends to cost me the most in this format with Stage 2 decks anyway. That's my ultimate concern with the new changes is the lack of good heavy snipe. Genesect's Ace Spec aside the majority of the good snipe is electric...which has no more support.
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1) Mr. Mime doesn't protect a Bench-sitter like Electrode from being promoted by Escape Rope unless you choose to send up the Mr. Mime in place of it. I wasn't giving a universal rule but addressing a specific idea; running small Bench-sitters because now they are safe(r) from Pokémon Catcher. The concept was if you were having multiple on your Bench - if you can make a single work, Escape Rope was only an issue if that was your sole Benched Pokémon. If the Bench-sitter has already served its purpose/is the least valuable Pokémon to retain, again this is a non-issue.

2) I did forget about Mr. Mime. The good news? It will definitely block spread/snipe damage. The bad news? That's another smaller Pokémon that eats up Bench space, and again I was talking about running a supporting Pokémon in multiples. So... do you have room for a deck that plans on having (for example) two copies of Electrode and a Mr. Mime on the Bench? That's half your available space in play for Pokémon. Not what the post I initially responded to was about? Then I was quite mistaken, wasn't I? ;-)
 
Otaku said:
1) Mr. Mime doesn't protect a Bench-sitter like Electrode from being promoted by Escape Rope unless you choose to send up the Mr. Mime in place of it. I wasn't giving a universal rule but addressing a specific idea; running small Bench-sitters because now they are safe(r) from Pokémon Catcher. The concept was if you were having multiple on your Bench - if you can make a single work, Escape Rope was only an issue if that was your sole Benched Pokémon. If the Bench-sitter has already served its purpose/is the least valuable Pokémon to retain, again this is a non-issue.

2) I did forget about Mr. Mime. The good news? It will definitely block spread/snipe damage. The bad news? That's another smaller Pokémon that eats up Bench space, and again I was talking about running a supporting Pokémon in multiples. So... do you have room for a deck that plans on having (for example) two copies of Electrode and a Mr. Mime on the Bench? That's half your available space in play for Pokémon. Not what the post I initially responded to was about? Then I was quite mistaken, wasn't I? ;-)
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I was mainly using your comment to segue into my own concerns. Primarily being that snipe is all but pointless, and there are few ways to tackle the now incredibly consistent bench sitters.
 
Catcher should've been left alone, it didn't need an errata cause with it's new errata it makes the game more luck based than it already was before by not being able to keep broken Stage 2's and Big Basic EX's in check. The only deck currently that can take advantage of the new Catcher errata is Darkrai/Sableye cause all you need to do is Junk Hunt it back If you get tails or use Dowsing Machine to get it back to play it again.

I don't think Catcher with it's new errata will be as much of a staple card as Reversal was because Junk Arm was what made it a staple that you were able to run a playset of. If you want to tech 3-4 Sableye (Dark Explorers) for Catcher then be my guest but it wouldn't be a good idea cause unless you run it with Darkrai EX it will take up valuable deck space for better cards that can be used as tech's against specific decks that are popular right now.

The only bad thing about the new 1st Turn Rules is that there's no Supporter that searches for Basics like Roseanne's Research and Pokemon Collector to make up for not being able to use Call for Family on your 1st turn. There's no reason why Professor Sycamore should have the same effect as Professor Juniper when it would've been better having the same effect as Professor Oak's New Theory instead.

I kind of expected TPCi to not undo the errata they placed on Rare Candy when B/W Base Set was released a few years ago but something still needs to be done to make Tropical Beach more accessible to players, making it a PTCGO exclusive doesn't cut it. Unless X and Y Base Set dramatically changes the metagame, this current format will still continue to be stagnant with not much to work with due to terrible card design choices that make the game less skill oriented.
 
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I am wondering if "First Ticket" will be errata'd or a dead card.
 
TheRolesWePlay said:
Do you mean in regards to weather or not it will overrule the coin flip?

According to precedent First Ticket would still force the one playing the card to go first.
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The problem with First Ticket is that it says to play it before the coin flip, but under the new rules the coin flip comes before you draw cards to get First Ticket. It may be corrected by an errata, or it may just be a card that can never be played.

BDS
 
Big Daddy Snorlax said:
The problem with First Ticket is that it says to play it before the coin flip, but under the new rules the coin flip comes before you draw cards to get First Ticket. It may be corrected by an errata, or it may just be a card that can never be played.

BDS
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I've kicked off communications w/ Creatures about how we want to handle this. I hope to have an answer Soon(tm).
 
Why are people complaining so much about the catcher ruling? I think they should have left it, personally, but really? We've had this card before, it's called Pokemon Reversal. If people didn't want to use that, they used Warp Point. We have Escape Rope now. Looks like things are back to how they were. They still shouldn't have changed Catcher, but it's not like this is a new card setup.
 
Pikamaster said:
Why are people complaining so much about the catcher ruling? I think they should have left it, personally, but really? We've had this card before, it's called Pokemon Reversal. If people didn't want to use that, they used Warp Point. We have Escape Rope now. Looks like things are back to how they were. They still shouldn't have changed Catcher, but it's not like this is a new card setup.
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The thing is Pokemon Catcher was printed to not be Pokemon Reversal. PCL (if its still that) made Pokemon Catcher because they saw Pokemon Reversal was too luck base where the person who got more head, would create enough disruption to win the game. Catcher puts everyone on the same level. However, the correct thing would have been to ban Catcher and force people to use Escape Rope or other cards with a similar effect.

Its clear they dont know what they want to do.
 
First of all...
Catcher nerf? Yes please, thank you!
But coinflip? Really? Wasn't Worlds 2011 proof enough to show that Reversal was a horrible card that made the game luck-based? Why not just require being behind in prizes (like Pow! Hand Extension, for those who already played back then), or limiting Catcher to 1-2 copies per deck?

Another thing I think is that Mr. Mime will become really broken. It's a 1-card-tech for any deck that ruins many strategies, everything involving snipes or spread. We didn't realize this because these strategies weren't even viable because of Catcher before. Now they could be, but Mr. Mime can easily stop them.

However, I'm really happy about the new T1 rule. If I make it to Worlds next year, I won't be donked twice in a row (while playing Darkrai) again. =)
 
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