Phazon Elite
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I'M A LITTLE TEAPOT, SHORT AND STOUT!
Funny how the only people clamouring for more Worlds invites are the ones with no chance of ever getting one.
Our minds...have we lost them???
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I'M A LITTLE TEAPOT, SHORT AND STOUT!
Funny how the only people clamouring for more Worlds invites are the ones with no chance of ever getting one.
ryanvergel
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Love it or leave it is the worst argument anyone can present. I don't see how all you people are aligned with his thoughts.
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Absoltrainer
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I don't see how you're not. =/
PUI is in control if you don't like the way things are then leave if you don't care then play the game.
Same on the gym. the mods and admins are in control here. If you don't like it then leave the site.
THE FT. LAUD. LOUD MOUTH
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I am going to respond to that with something that has been said a few times here on Pokegym.
Quality>Quantity
So I can explain what I am talking about lets look compare Worlds 06 and Worlds 07
Worlds 07- High Quality of players, 64 players.
The players that will make it to Worlds this year will ether:
A. Worked there butts off in last years world championships to make top 4 and earn their invite.
B. Go to event after event win or do well to increase their rating to earn their invite for placing high enough in the rankings for their ratings zone.
C. Attend their National Championships with the right combination of skill and luck and place high enough to earn their trip to Worlds. (I know nothing has been officially announced yet but my prediction is top 1 or top 2 at each nats will make it to worlds,)
D. Grinder
Worlds 06- High Quantity of players, 100+ players.
The players that will make it to Worlds this year will ether:
A. Worked there butts off in last years world championships to make top 4 and earn their invite.
B. Live in North America or have the money to fly to North America to participate in a gym challenge. (Note- Some players had the opportunity to go to many gym challenges, figures they will luck out eventually or do well enough to get a trip passed down to them)
C. Attend their National Championships with the right combination of skill and luck and place high enough to earn their trip to Worlds.
D. Grinder
The only difference above is B.- Invites by winning Gym Challenges or Invites for your Rank
The point I am trying to make is a smaller worlds like worlds 07 is more prestigious since getting invited to it is much harder. Just getting invited is a goal within it self and now you know you have the honor of playing for the title of World Champion against other people who worked just has hard has you to make it in to worlds.
Now I have a question for you FS if POP decided to double the size of worlds but keep the invite disruptions the same (Which means multiply the number invites given to each county at their nats by 2 and multiply the number of invites to each rating zone by 2) would you still complain or would you turn your complaint about a small worlds into a complaint about how the USA doesn't get enough invites?
Sorry for getting off topic let me try to get back on it.
Ryan can you please elaborate on what you are trying to say?
Tego
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Absoltrainer, that's a ridicolous way of thinking, and an awful attitude. If you love the game, you want it to be in the best possible state. If you love playing Pokémon and are dissatisfied with its current state RIGHT NOW, but know it has been better before and could be better again, why quit?
I'm actually very satisfied with the state of the game right now. But some people are not, and a few of them even have good arguments for why they're not satisfied, and I respect them. Let them share their opinion and speak up, they are people who love the game and just want the best for it. It's a curse and a blessing that Pokémon has more enthusiastic fans than any other TCG has. In my opinion, it's mostly a blessing.
Not quitting something when it doesn't work for you, and instead trying to improve it, is a wonderful attitudue, and I can't see how anyone can disagree about that ... I don't even want to (and I shouldn't need to) go into real-life/real-world examples to show how I agree with ryanvergel's comment.
Metagross_Ex
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This is the true QFT imo. Besides, who here isn't a little crazy anyways?
I must be getting old..........
"Our minds...have we lost them??? "
Losing one's mind is a relative thing. The point here is we are entitled to Free Speech with responsible caveats. That is, we must play/post by the rules (swearing/spamming/etc).
Other than that, I do not think that people have lost their minds, they are just expressing thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
Communication does not = dementia.
"Our minds...have we lost them??? "
Losing one's mind is a relative thing. The point here is we are entitled to Free Speech with responsible caveats. That is, we must play/post by the rules (swearing/spamming/etc).
Other than that, I do not think that people have lost their minds, they are just expressing thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
Communication does not = dementia.
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Before this gets locked, I had to chime in.
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*reads thread*
Mmk, how did this thread turn into what it is now? Clearly, this thread is made of spamwiches. How vague is a topic that just says, "What in the world is wrong with you people?" How was it construed to be a criticism of the wacky stuff that's gone on at the 'Gym in the past two weeks? Somehow, some genius posts about worlds invites or netdecking topics or whatever, and a bunch of people go "OMG QFT WE LOVE U" and Ryan says, "screw you guys, you're wrong, the lot of you" and everybody starts hating everybody and the thread becomes what it is now.
Clearly, this is a mandate for change. Martin Moreno for Admin!!!
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*reads thread*
Mmk, how did this thread turn into what it is now? Clearly, this thread is made of spamwiches. How vague is a topic that just says, "What in the world is wrong with you people?" How was it construed to be a criticism of the wacky stuff that's gone on at the 'Gym in the past two weeks? Somehow, some genius posts about worlds invites or netdecking topics or whatever, and a bunch of people go "OMG QFT WE LOVE U" and Ryan says, "screw you guys, you're wrong, the lot of you" and everybody starts hating everybody and the thread becomes what it is now.
Clearly, this is a mandate for change. Martin Moreno for Admin!!!
LionheartEX
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Tego wins the thread
I had this same sentiment, but I never knew how to word it. Thanks!:thumb:
Good response Tego. There's definitely something to be said of the fact that the poster of this thread handed us a vague statement, and with that we've gone into a discussion with some of the things that has been wrong with the "system" so far this year. If our minds revert to problems with invites, dwindling prizes and whatnot at PreReleases, etc., when someone says "What is wrong here," doesn't that point to the fact that a lot of people have been complaining with the way things are right now?
The invite system to Worlds 2007 is pretty messed up. My brother has top-cutted or won every tournament he has been to this season, but due to the fact that he can't make every single tournament he would like, he's not going to get an invite. Not going to a third States Tournament knocked him down from 8th to 19th place in the rankings. He has decided to go to his school prom this year instead of going to Regionals, and since his mom won't let him drive down to Florida the week before to attend their Regionals, chances are his ranking will amount to nothing by the time it's all over. Try explaining to him that the system is fair; he's been torn up over the fact that he can't make it to every Pokemon Tournament, and not because he's going to miss out on the "fun." Rather, he's missing out on the chance to go to Worlds.
After having to explain to my brother that he shouldn't expect a trip to Worlds 2007, I've decided to stick with this game because I see room for improvement. If I'm going to complain about something, I'm going to do it in a professional manner. And rather than leave because I don't like something, I'm choosing to stay until I find something I do like. My response so far has been to simply judge a few tournaments, maybe perform well at a Regionals Tournament or something like that. I probably won't do well because I have very little control over the cards I get to use (Rocket's Admin. or something similar to it should have been reprinted a long time ago, and I don't have oodles of money to spend on the cards that are doing well this season), but I'll remain a part of this game rather than leave. I just hope that someone takes the time to consider what people are saying about certain aspects of this game or forum to find room for improvement.
PS - If this sounds off topic, I'm responding only to what's been said in this thread; my apologies.
WHISCASHEX
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Of course it's [not] fair. In order to have a chance at Worlds ij this game [now], excluding winning Nationals=/, you have to put Pokemon at the top of everything in your personal life. If not, you need to put a lot of time into it. You'd think competing and doing well, maybe even winning, a State or two would be enough for any game...
Absoltrainer
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Actually after re-reading my post I see I came off a bit different then I expected.
What I was trying to say is that sometimes there are things that you just can't change. For example you can't change the admin of the gym just because some things are not the way you like. And you can't change the fact that people net deck or that PUI is cutting prizes. You can't change the fact that certain things will come off as unfair. However yes you can try to improve things, esspesialy if you enjoy something. What I was getting at is those people who take the game so seriously that they destroy the very concept of SoTG. I can't stand it when people who are in it to win it and nothing else, people who completley ignore even the most basic forms of sportsmanship in order to win. When they start complaining and stuff. There are somethings that you can't change. If you are going to get mad over things you want different, even if they are just suggestion, then losing your temper won't do it. For example people who hate net deckers. Well if you don't want some one to net deck then don't post a list. If you don't like the admins and mods on a site then leave the site. There is a differeance in making a suggestion for improvement and getting mad and whining over something.
I agree with the ft. laud. loud mounth because when I read his post I saw it as saying that those who take the game so seriously as to complain on every little thing and those who take away from SoTG should not be playing. I don't agree with the like it or leave it attitude, and I see that my previous post was very confusing.
I disagree with ryanvergel because of what I have seen posting on the gym recently what with the numarous net decking threads and Martin's new admin thread and Jimmy selling his list. I guess that there are some people who have to complain about those things and get mad if it does not go their way. Some things cannot be changed. However I still agree that if you don't like something then the best thing to do is try to improve it.
It's amazing. The only people who are content with the worlds invite system are those who didn't stand a chance to win an invite.. EVEN BEFORE the new system.
It's funny that many people automatically assume that because someone disagrees with them, it is because they are of lower skill. If a well-known player would have said the message quoted by Squirtle, nobody would be questioning it. And that is a problem currently in the game. Players that have done well in the past are looked at like gods and in return every other player that hasn't done well...well don't matter. What they say is flawed because they never have experienced winning and never will. That's such a flawed system. It's sad that some people do it just to massage their ego.
Because the game is so full of luck, there is never going to be a "best" collection of the most skilled players in the game. At any given tournament, a large amount of skilled players can get shafted by bad hands, bad match up, and just overall bad luck. To say that lower invites = better overall players doesn't work. Neither does Squirtle's argument that the person above him's message is flawed because the person has never had a chance to get to Worlds.
In reality, it's exactly those who know they don't have a chance to get to Worlds that have found serenity in the game to the point that they can clearly look at issues regarding Worlds invites. In my personal opinion, Worlds is a drug, where once you've had it, a craving occurs where you must have it again. And thus many people that have been to Worlds have trouble clearly seeing the whole picture if it doesn't mention a simple or relatively simple way for them to get back to Worlds the year after. Is it there fault? No, it's PUI's. They have made Worlds so easy to get to in the past that people have come accustomed to it, and when they suddenly take that away, a lot of people get mad.
I agree that take it or leave it is not the right philosophy, but it works for a good number of people. It's those that truly care about something that will stick around and try to fix the problems with it. Maybe next time someone deters someone from complaining, they might see it from the angle that the person who is complaining cares so much about the item that they are trying to voice their opinion in hopes of the problems being fixed. But like eriknance says, there is a good way and a bad way of voicing one's opinion. And that will greatly affect how one's opinion is taken.
This is a bit off topic, but hey, just try to ban me. :wink:
I've been around since the days of the original PokeGym, in the Psylum era. At the very core of what makes the Gym a great place to belong is its community. The site is, and has been for years, controlled to some extent by Mods who watch for language but more importantly who try to ensure that members respect the opinions of everyone, even those they do not agree with. It is in fact those disagreements and well thought out debates that often stem from them that have contributed, over the years, to the best threads on the Gym. Zorak anyone?
In the recent days of bashing, flaming and unchecked egos that spirit has dimmed and flickered in the shadow of those that are so full of themselves that they have lost the ability to even conceive that their vision is not the one true vision. As I read your post Prime, I suddenly got really good feeling that the spirit of the original Gym lives on. You made a strong statement and your passion comes through. You didn’t need foul language or leetspeak nor did you feel the need to single anyone out and tear them down in order to make your point. Irregardless of whether I agree with you or not, I enjoyed reading what you wrote. That’s why I originally came to love the PokeGym and why I have stuck with it all these years. Thanks for renewing my faith and making my afternoon a bit brighter.
Oh, and to get back on topic … ah, forget it
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PSYCO829
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no offence steven, but i do find myself agreeing with anthony on some of his points, exspecially what he put in big, bold letters
i also find myself applauding what has to be the most intelegent thing anthony has ever quite possibly posted on here, GJ
i dont stand a chance of getting an invite either, but i just had to speak up
THE FT. LAUD. LOUD MOUTH
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Morpueus- When you say specifc area are you trying to say all invites should come from just one place?
Please explan how this invites are random
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