Outside the US - What is left?
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ukpokemonpro
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Well I keep nagging the OP guys and gals and we are trying to set a date for a meeting with the active professors and distributors so watch this space ....
Looks like 2 months of lobbying may finally be getting us somewhere?
Still delivery is key and so far we are still waiting ... but at least there is a light... lets hope it's not the express train
Looks like 2 months of lobbying may finally be getting us somewhere?
Still delivery is key and so far we are still waiting ... but at least there is a light... lets hope it's not the express train
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irwinmalek
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Off topic, bt Marcello, I'll be running the weekly London league on 15th November (Saturday), providing that the pre-release isn't on that day.
The league runs at:
Millenium Café,
Hornsey Road,
Holloway,
London
From 2:30-6:30/7:00 pm
We usually do either a Modified tournament (Expedition- WITHOUT WotC Best promos), or a draft of some sort.
E-mail me at [email protected] or post on the Team London boards for more nfo at www.tlboards.cjb.net
There we go...
The league runs at:
Millenium Café,
Hornsey Road,
Holloway,
London
From 2:30-6:30/7:00 pm
We usually do either a Modified tournament (Expedition- WITHOUT WotC Best promos), or a draft of some sort.
E-mail me at [email protected] or post on the Team London boards for more nfo at www.tlboards.cjb.net
There we go...
Skywolf1
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Hello Everyone, I just wanted to point out, that I have got an ongoing dialogue with PUI/International OP, whom I received another e-mail from today, and I will be posting that in the International OP: Q&A thread of this forum. If anyone has any questions, that they want asked, please post them to that thread, and I will forward them to International OP straight away.
Take Care,
Marsh Schneidau
(aka Skywolf1)
Take Care,
Marsh Schneidau
(aka Skywolf1)
Tego
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It's up and running now:
www.pokemon.no
I doubt anyone of you can read any of this, but still you can check it out. I've made an own part for Organized Play, which will be updated with all tournament rules. Then there's an own page for TCG articles, strategy and info. And there's also a massive message board with more than 400 members (which is a lot for Norway).
This website will be the channel for information and communication with all of Norway's TCG players. I don't know anything about any other distributor's plans, but it sure would be nice with websites for each country, and possibly one for entrie Europe.
www.pokemon.no
I doubt anyone of you can read any of this, but still you can check it out. I've made an own part for Organized Play, which will be updated with all tournament rules. Then there's an own page for TCG articles, strategy and info. And there's also a massive message board with more than 400 members (which is a lot for Norway).
This website will be the channel for information and communication with all of Norway's TCG players. I don't know anything about any other distributor's plans, but it sure would be nice with websites for each country, and possibly one for entrie Europe.
ukpokemonpro
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Tego,
I agree they have said that they will not let them fail but there is no detail on what they will do if they do fail.
For example what happens to a country where there is no distributor (Mexico is one) Where PUI themselves are supposed to be in control but there are no official leagues, no TOs, no Sanctioning, etc...
Delivery is what counts not promises .. otherwise we are spin city mode where what is said is true regardless of the evidence.
I am pleased with the progress that appears to be happening, Jarred is new to this post and appears to be having a positive impact BUT... DELIVERY, DELIVERY, DELIVERY... it matters not what is said but rather what is actually done.
I agree they have said that they will not let them fail but there is no detail on what they will do if they do fail.
For example what happens to a country where there is no distributor (Mexico is one) Where PUI themselves are supposed to be in control but there are no official leagues, no TOs, no Sanctioning, etc...
Delivery is what counts not promises .. otherwise we are spin city mode where what is said is true regardless of the evidence.
I am pleased with the progress that appears to be happening, Jarred is new to this post and appears to be having a positive impact BUT... DELIVERY, DELIVERY, DELIVERY... it matters not what is said but rather what is actually done.
Tego
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That's true, Michel. It's Nintendo of Norway's Pokémon site, and also covers the electronic games. To expect more websites from distributors is too much.
And a European website might also never happen, but updates for the International part of Pokémon-tcg.com would be very nice.
And a European website might also never happen, but updates for the International part of Pokémon-tcg.com would be very nice.
ranmasaotomes
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To everyone still reading this post.
Might be an idea for the current gym leaders do create a web site. There are so many free hosting places on the net and even though some of us may be ametures. It might pay to let people know what you are doing. Maybe have a link to this forum on your site and also links to each other. lets see what everyone does.
for example. I have created a site for the card store that I work at. its address is www.wharfcards.8k.com and even though I am not doing it professionally. It does show what we are doing.
Maybe we should all start a list of each other on each others web sites.
Just a suggestion people.
Might be an idea for the current gym leaders do create a web site. There are so many free hosting places on the net and even though some of us may be ametures. It might pay to let people know what you are doing. Maybe have a link to this forum on your site and also links to each other. lets see what everyone does.
for example. I have created a site for the card store that I work at. its address is www.wharfcards.8k.com and even though I am not doing it professionally. It does show what we are doing.
Maybe we should all start a list of each other on each others web sites.
Just a suggestion people.
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ukpokemonpro
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ranmasaotomes,
you are preaching to the converted check out the following UK sites:
http://www.gamers-guild.co.uk
http://www.southeastchallenge.com
http://www.members.aol.com/hairyclefairy/teamuk.htm
you are preaching to the converted check out the following UK sites:
http://www.gamers-guild.co.uk
http://www.southeastchallenge.com
http://www.members.aol.com/hairyclefairy/teamuk.htm
ranmasaotomes
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I am not preaching ukpokemonpro but what I am doing is trying to get everyone to know that the problem doesn't just lie in europe. this where we arn't getting support is also in other countries as well.
Also... You may be "Converted" but i believed that this thread is for people outside of the US who want to know where they can play.
I was aaying in an earlier reply that we should all help eachother with this and I still maintain that we should, thats why I suggested that we all show eachothers sites and maybe make like a mini web ring so that people still are interested and also if they are looking for infor ourtside of the USA they can come to at least one of us to find out.
Also in closing. I would like to stress that its not only the people that post to this thread that look at it. I know that many people look at the thread and will only reply if it suits them or if they feel really strongly about something... thats why, and only why I even joined up with Pokegym... I wanted to put in my two cents and see what... if anything, we could do.
Also... You may be "Converted" but i believed that this thread is for people outside of the US who want to know where they can play.
I was aaying in an earlier reply that we should all help eachother with this and I still maintain that we should, thats why I suggested that we all show eachothers sites and maybe make like a mini web ring so that people still are interested and also if they are looking for infor ourtside of the USA they can come to at least one of us to find out.
Also in closing. I would like to stress that its not only the people that post to this thread that look at it. I know that many people look at the thread and will only reply if it suits them or if they feel really strongly about something... thats why, and only why I even joined up with Pokegym... I wanted to put in my two cents and see what... if anything, we could do.
ukpokemonpro
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ranmasaotomes,
Hey there I was not having a go just letting you know that we are already doing it and posting for those people that maybe unaware of what we have got out there such as yourself!
I should have said you're preaching to the converted But that's okay because we all need a refresher on what we can do to help the game... and the web is a powerful tool
I hope you get some support in Oz soon and we are not all buying the everything is wonderful line from PUI until they have included the world not just the US and Europe we are not going to stop campaigning.
The shop site is good BTW we use freenetname for the Gamers Guild site and I own and pay for the hosting of the SE Challenge site myself .
Perhaps (at the risk of stretching some rules we can collate the fan sites outside the US that offer details on Leagues, Tournaments and Clubs?
Hey there I was not having a go just letting you know that we are already doing it and posting for those people that maybe unaware of what we have got out there such as yourself!
I should have said you're preaching to the converted
But that's okay because we all need a refresher on what we can do to help the game... and the web is a powerful toolI hope you get some support in Oz soon and we are not all buying the everything is wonderful line from PUI until they have included the world not just the US and Europe we are not going to stop campaigning.
The shop site is good BTW we use freenetname for the Gamers Guild site and I own and pay for the hosting of the SE Challenge site myself .
Perhaps (at the risk of stretching some rules we can collate the fan sites outside the US that offer details on Leagues, Tournaments and Clubs?
Marcello-Milord
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Hmm... Italian guys are every time more mysterious...
During the Lucca comic conventions, a morther of 1 of our players asked to them some infos about POP.
The first guy that was at the stand did'n know anything. He called out his boos, the (in)famous marketing manager who refused to answer to my phone calls.
This guy said:
- Nexus has not been advertised about the OP start date (false, I add. PUI published everywhere that the International OP start date is December 1st);
- There'll be some changes in the rules (we already know that, they didn't know until Barcelona, maybe);
- They'll call the Professors as soon as they are able to do that (what's the meaning of that? They do not have any prohibition from PUI for calling out some Prfessor and talk about their programs!)
- Most probably, OP in Italy will start in January 2004 ( worst thing ever. Why, if the schedule is December 1st we'll have OP only in January? It's odd, it's the same date for the release of the localized product... Money issues there? :\\\ )
Here's our latest update. A big bad update.
During the Lucca comic conventions, a morther of 1 of our players asked to them some infos about POP.
The first guy that was at the stand did'n know anything. He called out his boos, the (in)famous marketing manager who refused to answer to my phone calls.
This guy said:
- Nexus has not been advertised about the OP start date (false, I add. PUI published everywhere that the International OP start date is December 1st);
- There'll be some changes in the rules (we already know that, they didn't know until Barcelona, maybe);
- They'll call the Professors as soon as they are able to do that (what's the meaning of that? They do not have any prohibition from PUI for calling out some Prfessor and talk about their programs!)
- Most probably, OP in Italy will start in January 2004 ( worst thing ever. Why, if the schedule is December 1st we'll have OP only in January? It's odd, it's the same date for the release of the localized product... Money issues there? :\\\ )
Here's our latest update. A big bad update.
ukpokemonpro
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Actually they may have just such a prohibition placed on them ... there is some very strange politics behind all of this and most of it seems to be about cover your behind from attack and make it look like there is something when there isn't!
The daft thing is company guys are buying it (Sorry TEGO it's not just you PUI seem to believe their own spin too), and most of the US either think now the announcements are made the problems are over or they don't care ...
PUI need to think OP it's not just for US it's for Life outside the US too!
Rainbowgym
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I compared our distributor with a snake and guess what they look alike.
Once and for all i learned this weekend that the only concern of distributors is money (earning money i mean and they prefer to do that over my back). No human feelings involved, only thinking in Euro's.
I'm going one of these days to a jobcenter to let me subscribe as Pokemon Tournament Organizer/ Judge/ Demo-player and then they can hire me. No free time is going to be spend by me doing things Distributors should do.
I think a wage of $50 per hour is my minimum.
Once and for all i learned this weekend that the only concern of distributors is money (earning money i mean and they prefer to do that over my back). No human feelings involved, only thinking in Euro's.
I'm going one of these days to a jobcenter to let me subscribe as Pokemon Tournament Organizer/ Judge/ Demo-player and then they can hire me. No free time is going to be spend by me doing things Distributors should do.
I think a wage of $50 per hour is my minimum.
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Skywolf1
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Hello Everyone, I want everyone's help here please. Please e-mail me EVERYTHING that you have that pertains to what the distributors in your respective regions have said/done and/or acted towards OP, and I am going to CALL Jarrod, and I am going to explain to him exactly what is going on here!!! Because right now, I am MAD AS HELL!!!!
A furious,
Skywolf1
A furious,
Skywolf1
Don't be mad Skywolf, what's happening now was expected by some of us.
No need to send you a mail about Belgium ... the only word to say is 'nothing'. No news, no info, no contact, ... nothing.
Rainbowgym, you seem to be surprised that distributors are interested in money only. Sorry, but that's not something very new.
There is one question I think nobody has asked up to now ... PUI want the distributor to do POP in Europe, BUT DO THE DISTRIBUTORS WANT TO DO IT OR DO THEY HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO DO IT ?
I think we've all said to PUI, at least the Profs who're registered on the Pokemon-TCG website, that we were ready to help, that we offered, like we did with Wizards, our time, knowledge and involvment to POP.
If distributors want to do everything by themselves, without us, that's ok.
PUI has given them, and us, other directions, but I'll not fight for helping people who don't want me or people who think they don't need me.
For different reasons that I understand, PUI has decided to give POP to distributors. We all know that Wizards has done the same, and has had to do it later by themselves because that system didn't work.
Why would it work now ? I think we already have the first part of the answer.
Someone at Wizards told me that the amount of DCI registered Magic players in an European country had doubled 6 month after that Wizards had taken OP back in their offices. Enough said about OP and distributors.
No free time given to distributors ? We've all given a lot of time during the Wizards period, and we knew these people did respect us, we knew they were trying to do the best for the game (even if things didn't go right in the UK).
When you see the reaction of some distributors in our countries, I would agree with Rainbowgym.
Seems that even Tego is paid now
No need to send you a mail about Belgium ... the only word to say is 'nothing'. No news, no info, no contact, ... nothing.
Rainbowgym, you seem to be surprised that distributors are interested in money only. Sorry, but that's not something very new.
There is one question I think nobody has asked up to now ... PUI want the distributor to do POP in Europe, BUT DO THE DISTRIBUTORS WANT TO DO IT OR DO THEY HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO DO IT ?
I think we've all said to PUI, at least the Profs who're registered on the Pokemon-TCG website, that we were ready to help, that we offered, like we did with Wizards, our time, knowledge and involvment to POP.
If distributors want to do everything by themselves, without us, that's ok.
PUI has given them, and us, other directions, but I'll not fight for helping people who don't want me or people who think they don't need me.
For different reasons that I understand, PUI has decided to give POP to distributors. We all know that Wizards has done the same, and has had to do it later by themselves because that system didn't work.
Why would it work now ? I think we already have the first part of the answer.
Someone at Wizards told me that the amount of DCI registered Magic players in an European country had doubled 6 month after that Wizards had taken OP back in their offices. Enough said about OP and distributors.
No free time given to distributors ? We've all given a lot of time during the Wizards period, and we knew these people did respect us, we knew they were trying to do the best for the game (even if things didn't go right in the UK).
When you see the reaction of some distributors in our countries, I would agree with Rainbowgym.
Seems that even Tego is paid now
Rainbowgym
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I should oragnize the first Dutch Prerelease event, but now i'm charged to pay
110 dollar a boosterbox to do this.
I can't do a side event with Dragonboosters as prices.
I can't order a few more boxes to try to sell some boosters that day, to get down expences.
If any of you knows how much there is charged in the USA for a boosterbox and if i'm wrong with doing a side event with Dragon boosters as price please mail me private.
I asked this question before, because i expected to be ripped of by the distributor and this way i'm not going to have a pre-release event.
110 dollar a boosterbox to do this.
I can't do a side event with Dragonboosters as prices.
I can't order a few more boxes to try to sell some boosters that day, to get down expences.
If any of you knows how much there is charged in the USA for a boosterbox and if i'm wrong with doing a side event with Dragon boosters as price please mail me private.
I asked this question before, because i expected to be ripped of by the distributor and this way i'm not going to have a pre-release event.
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