Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

PA regional Report

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YoungJohn06

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We drive like practically all night to get there, we arrive at like 3 in the morning and deck test with me, Drew, Rich, Steven and Jake D. Jake ends up going to bed but the rest of us just test all night

I ended up going with Metagross/Deoxys ex (attack)/Mex because I barely saw any rocklock and it has a good match vs most everything else.

not posting the list at this time (prolly post it later, I'm not really able to remember the list off the top of my head and am too lazy to go get my deck right now)

Round 1 - Emily with Exploud/Many water pokemon

I start with a Deoxys Ex attack she eventually hits it for 50 which kinda scares me cause I have barely any set up, however it got better and my Metagross Ex I got was enough to take out everything for the game.

1-0

Round 2 - Alex B. with Rock lock

Well first off, I SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYING HIM. They messed up my results and gave me a loss round 1 and said play the game anyway we'll fix the results but we're not repairing. (umm okay thank you for screwing resistance, this isn't the only time this happened during the day it happend to at least 6 other people meaning on average it happend once a round... how does that happen?)

Anyway my hand sucks horribly. I end up with all my metagross in my hand and a switch... (3 meta 2 mex 1 switch) and he's getting set up. So I just lose... nothing I can even begin to do to win. -_-

1-1

Round 3 - Drew H. with Muk/Medicham

I start with sparce he gets turn 2 muk... nails a ER2 to slow up my Deoxys and I cannot use powers to power it. I get a small energy drought making it a close game. Ended up 1-1, I cluthed Medicham in active then attacked with deoxys for game next turn. GG

2-1

Round 4 - Denise B. with Blaziken

We both get good starts, I totally forgot what Blaziken does practically lol =p. I forgot they discard so that kinda messed with my mind for the deoxys OHKOing the blaz. I didn't play a strength charm but oh well, I still managed to win. She koed my metagross with a Rayquaza, I strength charmed my Pidgeot to KO the ray. She bexes my Deoxys on bench I use Metagross with a strength charm to OHKO bex, then ko a torchic and beldum candy metal meta power reversal the 90 damaged blaziken from earlier where I forgot the Strength charm for game.

3-1

round 5 Brett with Blaziken/Deoxys

I had a slower start and the Deoxys made it a lot harder for me to win. All my pokemon had a disadvantage vs the Deoxys because of the energy on mex and the psy weakness with everything else . Eventally he gets warp point for game bexes my deoxys for last two prizes

GG

3-2

Round 6 - Ian with Gardevoir

We went back and forth but after I koed like 3 regular Gardevoir and then a Gardy ex with my mex (regular metas traded kos with gardevoirs then mex finished it all with reversal/and the other attack which name is slipping my mind =p) I end up winning after I take out too much stuff and reversal for game. Island cave stopped his sleeping stall with ralts lol.

4-2



I wait around for the cut to happen and see if I made it.. nope. The early stuff kinda hurt because of resistance, luckily alex did good but I shouldn't have had to play him to begin with. I was tied for 17th, placed in 18th tho. Dang I hate resistance sometimes lol.

Props:

Luke and Ness for getting trips.
Steven Davis for winning again
Fun I had with my friends :)

Slops:

Crappy ran tournament with no desire to fix their mistakes. The wrong pairing/match results were COMPLETELY stupid and should NOT have happened multiple times.... once I can see but once a round or more? Come on, that's rediculous.

Half hour lunch break with like practically no where to get food in that amount of time. I know my friend tried to get food and asked for "what ever I can get in less than 18 minutes" and was told nothing everyone is having to wait half hour or more for food... soooo yeah lunch wasn't something many of us had the luxery to get.

The 6 rounds we ran when we SHOULD HAVE HAD 7. We had 88 people, 2 people tied for first at the end of swiss. 7 rounds was definately needed. They even SAID there would be 7 for a while but changed it due to "time issues". Sorry but you had forever and a day to plan for this regional, you shoulda considered time a bit better.

Judges for making a complete and total crap call for my friend in 11-14. Not gonna name names, but one of my friends was playing against another player (who has been known to cheat before... and always seems to do it at tournaments, I know from experience when I played him in a small tournament at origins last year, he cheats like crazy) anyway, sometime during the game the kid takes his entire discard pile and shuffles it into his deck. My friend calls a judge, 3 of them come over (this is what he told me) and nothing happened. How in the WORLD do you NOT get a game loss for SHUFFLING AN ENTIRE DISCARD PILE INTO A DECK?!

Overall... tournament was kinda poorly ran, I heard a lot of people complaining.
 
Someone shuffled their discard into their deck at a SC I was at and they received a game loss - it was an honest accident on his part though. I'd say your friend should complain about that.
 
Nice job, even though resistence is not your best friend.

I'm seriously surprised that the player in question did no get a game loss. Honest mistake or no, if you shuffle your discard pile back into your deck, then you deserve the loss.
 
YoungJohn06 said:
Judges for making a complete and total crap call for my friend in 11-14. Not gonna name names, but one of my friends was playing against another player (who has been known to cheat before... and always seems to do it at tournaments, I know from experience when I played him in a small tournament at origins last year, he cheats like crazy) anyway, sometime during the game the kid takes his entire discard pile and shuffles it into his deck. My friend calls a judge, 3 of them come over (this is what he told me) and nothing happened. How in the WORLD do you NOT get a game loss for SHUFFLING AN ENTIRE DISCARD PILE INTO A DECK?!

Overall... tournament was kinda poorly ran, I heard a lot of people complaining.
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Omg, John that goes beyond crap, thats like crap pooped out of crap to the second power. I dunno, but glad you had a good time.
 
17th isn't bad. Honestly, that was probably one of the hardest Regionals this country saw. It was the only one (besides Memphis?) where you, Fulop, Drew and OH appeared alongside Ness and Chuck and WI/IL or whatever the heck region they live in anyway. =/

GL at Gym Challenges, if trips trickle down you've just got Moss, Drew, Steve, maybe a few others to worry about. You got this, you know it. =)

ttyl
~Wooper
 
Patriarch said:
I'm seriously surprised that the player in question did no get a game loss. Honest mistake or no, if you shuffle your discard pile back into your deck, then you deserve the loss.
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Actually, your statement is not in accordance with the Penalty Guidelines.

I read YJ's post early this morning, and it has bugged me that I might have screwed up, until I was able to re-read the April 2005 revision of the POP Penalty Guidelines (the latest version).

I was named HJ in the 11 - 14, and so was responsible for the final ruling - which was to issue a Caution.

"WHY", everyone asks?

I'll cite a couple of passages from the Penalty Guidelines:

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7.4. Game Loss

This penalty should almost never be given out to a player who has not already
received a Warning (if not a Caution and a Warning) for the same infraction. If
this penalty is issued in between rounds, the penalty is applied to the player’s next
game. In cases where the current or next round of the tournament is a single-game
match, a Game Loss is functionally also a Match Loss.

Game Loss penalties also accompany Expulsion/Disqualification penalties, as
when a player is expelled from an event and he or she loses the current game and
match. Game Loss penalties should only be assigned by the Head Judge or
Tournament Organizer of the event and must always be reported to POP by the
issuing party.

8.1. Game-Play Error

This infraction includes all mistaken plays and consequences that may occur from
players who are not up to date with current rulings. These infractions are often
accidental, and once a player is aware of the proper rule or ruling, he or she rarely
makes the same mistake again.

8.1.1. Game-Play Error: Minor

It is important to try to differentiate between the actions of players who
intentionally make minor game-play errors in hopes of gaining a slight advantage
over their opponents with little or no repercussions and players who are making
honest mistakes. If a player makes several game-play errors over the course of the
event and performs well in his or her matches, that player may require closer
attention with stricter enforcement of the rules.

Any game-play errors that are reversible—returning to the deck cards that were
accidentally drawn, correcting the number of damage counters on a Pokémon,
leaving a Supporter card in play after the end of the turn, etc., should be corrected
to the best of the judge’s ability. In cases where the disputed or accidental play
happened on a previous turn and reversing the error is not possible, the players
should be reminded to call attention to any mistakes or errors as soon as they
happen.

This penalty should only be escalated when there is clear indication of intentional
cheating or when game state has become irreversibly distorted. In these cases, the
appropriate penalty escalation should be enforced at the judge’s discretion. In
most cases, it is inappropriate to issue a Game Loss penalty for a minor gameplay
error.

The Spirit of the Game dictates that Pokémon players should:
“Help others learn and enjoy the game. Even at a competitive event, a
Pokémon player understands the value of helping all players become
better players.”​

This extends to game play as it pertains to non-cheating offenses. If a player is
repeatedly calling a judge to issue a penalty to a particular opponent for a minor
game-play error offense, such as not discarding a Supporter card at the end of his
or her turn, that player should be informed that he or she is engaging in unsporting
conduct and may be issued a more severe penalty if such behavior continues.

Casual Penalty: Caution
Competitive Penalty: Caution
10 and Under: Caution

8.1.2. Game-Play Error: Major

When game state has become irreversibly confused due to game-play errors, it is
appropriate for the judge to issue a higher-level penalty. Major game-play error
penalties are also appropriate for minor game-play errors that have left the game
too confused to reset.

In addition to the assigned penalty to the offending player, a Caution should be
issued to the player’s opponent for not properly keeping track of game state and
rules.

If a player continues to make errors that irreversibly effect game state, it is
appropriate to escalate the assigned penalties.

Casual Penalty: Warning
Competitive Penalty: Prize Card Penalty
10 and Under: Caution

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I quoted the section on the Game Loss penalty to remind us of the fact that it "should almost never be given out to a player who has not already received a Warning (if not a Caution and a Warning) for the same infraction" - there are lesser, more appropriate, penalties which can and should be assigned first.

I have also quoted both the Game-Play Error: Minor and Game-Play Error: Major sub-sections to highlight the fact that, at worst, a Prize Card Penalty would be appropriate for a non-rewindable game state (and the named situation WAS rewindable).

We were able to rewind the erroneous play to the satisfaction of the opponent, and so a Caution was issued. If it were non-rewindable, a Prize Card Penalty would have been issued.

I hope this clears up everyone's confusion, even though you may not agree with my call.

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Upon re-reading the description of the offense - "shuffled his entire discard into his deck" - I must point out that the player was about to shuffle his discard into his deck, and caught himself before actually shuffling (so the discard cards were still all together on the bottom of his deck)!
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Rainbow,
Excellent reply. Key item is it was rewindable to the satisfaction of the opponent. Had it actually been shuffled in and not rewindable though, I think a prize card penalty is perhaps too small (JMO) at a major event. This could turn out to be a way of putting pokemon and other cards back into your deck for you to search for later.
 
sparkee said:
Had it actually been shuffled in and not rewindable though, I think a prize card penalty is perhaps too small (JMO) at a major event. This could turn out to be a way of putting pokemon and other cards back into your deck for you to search for later.
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Fortunately we didn't have to go there :smile:!
 
Nice try John, you'll get a trip. Thanks for putting up a report even though you didn't t16, that's very cool of you. GL at Nationals and your GC's man!
 
Good job Brian.

I especially admire the fact that you are willing to defend your call, not just with opinion, but with quotes from the penalty guide and additional facts about the event in question.

Very well done.

Personnaly, I would like to see tougher penalties at big events, but we have what we have. This is Pokemon after all.
 
same thing happened to me with alex. however, you'll read it in my tourny report which'll be up in the hour. which guy were you? i was the person in the gray sweatshirt with a deoxys t-shirt underneath, and i was wearing a professor hat. i lugged around a backpack that said my name (Benny R.) on it, along with a "pokemon players club" membership kit box.
 
There is a lot of thought that has to go into making the correct call. Many things have to be taken into consideration, such as the age of the players among other things. Nowone can really make any comment because whatever happend, happened for a reason. You have a problem take it up with POP.
 
that was probably one of the hardest Regionals this country saw. It was the only one (besides Memphis?) where you, Fulop, Drew and OH appeared alongside Ness and Chuck and WI/IL or whatever the heck region they live in anyway. =/
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Yeah like someone said in another post it was like a mini-NATS. Unfortunately I wasnt able to go but remember that even though someone doesnt post on the Gym or elsewhere doesnt make them a scrub player. Look at the winnner of the 15+ - Frankie D. He has already placed 2nd and 4th at other Regionals and now he won 1st place at this one and he rarely ever posts on the GYM. :confused:
 
YoungJohn06 said:
mmk I wasn't told that it never got completely shuffled in, so I didn't know. Sorry for that.
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NO Problem, YJ! I just wanted to tell what I knew :). I tries to do me best, argh!! :lol:
 
If the regional tourney was so "poorly run", are you going to let POP know directly, via email?

...Oh wait, weren't people from POP THERE?

So...did you take it up directly with them right there? Or are you just going to post what turn out to be misinformed accusations on what is afterall an unofficial board, even though POP reads it as time allows?

'mom =/
 
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