poison variant-toxisaur

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  1. xX Smeargle Xx

    xX Smeargle Xx New Member

    alright so im new to this whole thing, but i kinda have a deck in mind, havent gotten the trainers just rigt yet, but im working on it.

    here's what ihave so far:

    2x bulbasaur SW
    2x ivysaur SW
    1x Venusaur CG
    1x shuckle SW
    3x croagunk MT
    2x toxicroak MT
    1x celebi MT
    2x smeargle SW
    2x zubat MT
    2x golbat MT
    1x crobat MT
    3x koffing GE
    3x weezing GE

    im eventualy going to take out the celebi, and shuckle and replace with another weezing, and koffing, possibly ekans and arbok

    and my trainers will be as follows (havent really got these how i want yet, but this is all i have):

    1x roseanne's research
    1x wally's training
    1x team galactic's mars
    3x bebe's search
    2x bills maintenance
    1x proffesor oaks visit
    1x scott
    1x team galactic's wager
    1x night maintenance
    1x switch
    2x dusk ball

    and here are my energies in mind:

    11x psychic
    8x grass
    1x multi energy
    1x call energy

    okay thats what i have so far, but im very willing to make changes, so please leave me advice and id appreciate it. thnx alot
  2. charchar

    charchar New Member

    2-2-1 venasaur and not even sw? 2-2-2 sw,
  3. xX Smeargle Xx

    xX Smeargle Xx New Member

    yeah, i thought about that at one point in time... but i kinda prefer a pyramid style.. like 3-2-1 venusaur
    is that a good strategy???
  4. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    Drop pyramid in higher-level play. If that Venusaur is prized, what are you gonna do? You don't have another one. I would almost say to play 3-2-3 or 3-1-2 and run 3 Rare Candies.
  5. xX Smeargle Xx

    xX Smeargle Xx New Member

    thats very true, im prob gonna run 3-2-3 because id prefer 2 ivysaur in my deck and it only eats up two slots in my deck. thnx 4 the help :)

    i still need to know of any other problems in this deck, im trying my hardest to perfect it.
  6. im9today

    im9today New Member

    -2 Croagunk
    -2 Toxicroak
    -1 Venusaur CG
    -1 Celebi
    -1 Shuckle
    -1 Croagunk
    -2 Smeargle (sorry i know you love him lol)
    -2 Zubat
    -2 Golbat
    -1 Crobat
    -1 Wall'y Training
    -1 Scott
    -2 Bill's Maintenance
    -2 Dusk Ball
    -1 Team Galatctic's Mars
    -1 Call Energy
    -1 Multi Energy
    -6 Psychic Energy
    REMOVED: 30

    +1 Bulbasaur
    +2 Venusaur SW
    +3 Lileep DP5
    +3 Cradily DP5
    +2 Baltoy GE
    +2 Claydol GE
    +3 Felicity's Drawing
    +2 Switch
    +1 Warp Point
    +3 Rare Candy
    +1 Bebe's Search
    +1 Roseanne's Research
    +2 Team Galactic's Wager
    +4 Grass Energy
    ADDED: 30

    heres what it should look like now

    POKEMON: 23
    3x Bulbasaur SW
    1x Ivysaur SW
    3x Venusaur SW
    3x Koffing GE
    3x Weezing GE
    3x Lileep DP5
    3x Cradily DP5
    2x Balytoy GE
    2x Claydol GE

    TRAINERS: 20
    4x Bebe's Search
    2x Roseanne's Research
    3x Felicity's Drawing
    3x Team Galactic's Wager
    3x Rare Candy
    3x Switch
    1x Warp Point
    1x Night Maintenance

    ENERGY: 17
    5x psychic
    12x grass

    Here you go broski i know it might be hard to get all these, especially since DP5 isn't out yet but trust me this oculd be deadly

    the ideal bench is 1-2 Venusaur, 2-3 Weezing, 1 Claydol

    ideal active is Cradily

    Here's the spoilers for lileep and cradily

    good luck getting the cards i might help you out once i get my deck done... 11 more cards : - )
  7. Grinning_Gengar

    Grinning_Gengar New Member

    I play tested you deck and found it really fun. I'll list some of the changes I made that I think really improved it.
    First I felt there were too many Pokémon and something had to go. I chose the Bats because they really are just a tech to get poison from the bench, but there is way to much involved to make it worth it, and as a general rule I try to limit my decks to only 1 triple stage series.
    That gave me room to flesh out the remaining lines. I went 4-4 on the Weezing since that pokebody is cumulative. Just image Toxicroak active with 4 Weezing's on the bench. :thumb: I went with the MD Crogunk since the main goal is to get poison on the opponent ASAP. They both make you flip for poison but MD only needs 1 Psy energy. Both work but I lean towards the speed personally.

    4x Bulbasaur SW
    2x Ivysaur SW
    3x Venusaur CG

    3x Crogunk MD
    3x Toxicroak MT

    4x Koffing GE
    4x Weezing GE

    Now Trainers are always a mix or personal opinion and availability of cards. So I am running from my personal card pool. First thing I have to mention that Wally's is not modified legal and Rare Candy is far superior.

    3x Bebe's Search
    3x Professor Oak's Visit
    3x Roseanne's Research

    1x Moonlight Stadium

    4x Rare Candy

    3x Call Energy
    1x Multi Energy
    8x Grass
    11x Psy

    This set up did well against a test G&G I had but had real trouble with Empoleon mostly because of Dawn Stadium. If poison don’t stick your up the creek. I assume it would get worked my decks with free retreater as well.
    Anyway still a super fun deck and with it clicks it is amazing.

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    Im9today you forgot to include the Root Fossil for Lileep and Cradily line, they are a fossil series. I also wonder why you suggest them in a poison deck.

    You did give me a great idea though. Since the Venusaur CG will be rotated out for next season there is a great replacement in Temple of Anger.

    Swalot LV.35 – Psychic – HP90
    Stage 1 – Evolves from Gulpin

    [P][C] Swallow Up: 30 damage. If the Defending Pokemon's Remaining HP is less than Swalot's remaining HP, this attack's base damage is 80 instead of 30.
    [P][P][C] Garbage Chute: 60 damage. The Defending Pokemon is now Poisoned.
    Weakness: Psychic (+20)
    Resistance: none
    Retreat: 2

    I would completely dump the Venusaur line and the Grass energy for the Swalot. Nice big hitter with poison and only a stage 1 so it is way easier to get out then Venusaur.

    Here are the links.

    Last edited: Jun 22, 2008
  8. im9today

    im9today New Member

    well, it's mainly because i know Smeargle personally and today when i played against his deck and observed some others he did against some of out other pals, his main problem what that he could not keep poison on because of retreats.

    The Cradily was there for it's ability to stop retreating.

    But I like your idea much better since a Warp Point could fix that problem very quickly and since they would take poison damage anyway from the turn transition after the pokemon was poisoned. Venusaur was supposed to poison form the bench while Cradily help the pokemon in place.

    Swalot helps this deck A LOT though. Good eye. : - )

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    also swalots ability to OHKO anything with 80 HP or less in 2 energy is AMAZING
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2008
  9. xX Smeargle Xx

    xX Smeargle Xx New Member

    i agree, that swalot does do very well in this deck as a big hitter, and has the ability to poison, very nice... :)
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