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bullados said:
Facebook is a far more complex and popular website than Pokemon.com.

I have NEVER seen a system where Facebook takes LONGER to load than Pokemon.com.
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From one engineer to another, I have to critique your example...Facebook's entire business is based on getting their site to load quickly on your system.

We all concur the Web site could be better from our perspective and interests. But Pokemon Marketing has a lot of other constituents and interests to attend to. Are we going to stop playing TCG because their Web site is difficult to use? No, we will use other Web sites for information as tinox6 so accurately pointed out. And Pokemon Marketing is okay with that; in a number of ways it's actually good for the Pokemon ecosystem.

(And just so you know where I'm arguing from, I build Web sites myself, and I work in online marketing for an educational products company.)
 
^ We as entrenched, in-the-know competitive players might not stop playing, but others might not "start" playing. I think the best proof of that would be the low attendance figures of the November VGC tournaments, but I'm sure there are countless examples of people not going to tournaments just because they couldn't find information on the main site.
 
SD PokéMom said:
has anyone thought that perhaps it's not organized play's decision to make, but more of a brand/marketing one?

jmho
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Pokemom, I appreciate your views a lot when it comes to discussions about P!P. a lot of times I - the frustrated, competitive player - have a hard time thinking about the Pokemon world as seen from those in charge. it's easy to get caught up with selfish wants and forget that The Pokemon Company is indeed a business.

with that said, it really would be nice to see you throw the forum a curve ball and just admit when things could be better. I think it would give further validity to your already strong points.

as far as the website, it's pretty bad. especially from mobile devices. I use almost anything I can - beach, gym, pedia, bebe's, etc. - before going to pokemon.com. and it's not just the layout of the site, it's entire holes in what they could be offering. no forum, no card gallery, and so on.
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Cyrus said:
^ We as entrenched, in-the-know competitive players might not stop playing, but others might not "start" playing. I think the best proof of that would be the low attendance figures of the November VGC tournaments, but I'm sure there are countless examples of people not going to tournaments just because they couldn't find information on the main site.
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Good point!


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eriknance said:
and it's not just the layout of the site, it's entire holes in what they could be offering. no forum, no card gallery, and so on.
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????

https://forums.pokemon.com/
http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/database/

Granted they may not be the best compared to the alternatives, but at least have to point out they are there.
 
bullados said:
The former is inaccessible to pure-players.
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Ah! Good to know, my own perspective was fooling me.

Well, Pokemon TCG Online has their own Community forums. And we can see it's carefully moderated too. Perhaps Pokemon Marketing doesn't see the return on investment to cultivate a general forum off of Pokemon.com.

(I'm just speculating here. I'm sure at least some of the suggestions here have been considered before, and intentionally not acted upon for one reason or another. So the least we can do is entertain ourselves by talking about why or why not.)
 
Cyrus said:
but I'm sure there are countless examples of people not going to tournaments just because they couldn't find information on the main site.
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I see what you did there! :lol:

Players brought this up and complained about it pretty much as soon as the new layout came out.

Would be lovely to see a seperation between pokemon.com and OP pokemon
 
bullados said:
The main website is a problem. It takes too long to load, contains little information that is useful to pretty much anybody, and is laid out unintuitively. The old pokemon-tcg website was bare-bones, and that's not really what we're asking for. What we're asking for is a functional front-end website that can be loaded by virtually any computer on virtually any system in a reasonable amount of time that displays information that's useful to as large an audience as possible. The current website IMO fails in this regard, because it cannot be loaded in a reasonable amount of time, and it doesn't include the information that the players want to (or need to) see.
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That's not an easily rectifiable problem. Pokemon.com is kept back by a key problem...it's the official website. The site isn't full of useless information as much as it's purely outclassed by fansites that aren't restricted by corporate stuff, like keeping the event legendaries secret. The website will always remain at a disadvantage for this, unless Nintendo/TPCi changes the direction of Pokemon in some fashion that keeps all countries up to date.

The main site doesn't just cater to P!P it also handles TCGO (which has problems as well) and the Global Link. It has many things to take care of, and probably things like the tournament locator are probably towards the bottom of their worries. Obviously people are still showing up, and TPCi (or who ever handles this stuff) might be satisfied with it. If P!P were in charge of it then this would likely be different, but unfortunately it isn't.
 
eriknance said:
with that said, it really would be nice to see you throw the forum a curve ball and just admit when things could be better. I think it would give further validity to your already strong points.

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THIS. forreal though
 
As erik said, I love the 'down to earth' aspects mom brings to the table, but you are very VERY stubborn on many issues, and that doesn't convince people very well.
 
where did i state that the site was just fine?

my comment was that any 'fixes' suggested upthread are quite likely out of the fine folks at OP's hands...

'mom
 
Pokemon is a product and the website just tries to cover it all. Those two guy most of us know in TCG affairs, Dan and Pete, don't have say over what goes on that website. There are plenty of places to get Pokemon information, though!

PokeGym, for complaining about all things Pokemon
PokeBeach, for letting you use custom MLP avatars
SixPrizes, for paying for super secret G14 classified TCG info

Actually, I don't recommend any of those. Just pick one and go with it and get what you need out of it. Companies are slow to maintain their own products more than they have to. Players and fans do most of the work for them.
 
Now, one big thing to think about here: if TPCi were to make an amazing TCG/VG site with everything we want, wouldn't that render most fansites useless? Would you be fine with abandoning The PokeGym if this were to happen?
 
With over 20,000 users, I certainly have my doubts that pokegym would be 'abandoned.' The only chance of that happening is that if the owners of the site decide to do so. However since the official rules of the trading card game reside here, and support for it from TPCi remains in force, then the possibility of that happening is extremely slim. However I wouldn't have any qualms about abandoning other sites if TPCi became a better all-in-one site.

edit: Besides which, I doubt the owners of this site would ever give up ownership of the compendium - at any cost.
 
SD PokéMom said:
where did i state that the site was just fine?

my comment was that any 'fixes' suggested upthread are quite likely out of the fine folks at OP's hands...

'mom
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This is a good point, and is a good reason why the status quo exists.

However, at least three people "upthread" don't reference OP at all; they merely reference the failures of the website, and are interested in the problem itself being solved - not necessarily who the problem-solver would or should be.

But do you see it as a problem, PokéMom? Even if it is indeed out of OP's hands, isn't it a problem that severely limits OP's ability to succeed?
 
SD PokéMom said:
where did i state that the site was just fine?

my comment was that any 'fixes' suggested upthread are quite likely out of the fine folks at OP's hands...

'mom
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Hmm, this is an interesting point. IF that is true, then I guess the question would become either, "Where is OP's website?" or "Who SHOULD we voice our concerns to?"

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I would also like to point out that I just looked at my Play!Pokemon page, and it was VERY well organized with championship points, past tournaments, professor points, etc. So, to whoever is in control of that... Thank you.
 
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