POP Policy Change Regarding Foreign-Language Cards

[MonsterOfTheLake]

Again, someone takes part of a statement and gets it wrong. Read all the words in my post. I put them in the little box to convey information that goes along with the quote you cited. :smile:

If you actually knew who I was, you wouldn't even think to make a statement like that to me.

Your statement about the junior is completely off topic and I think you know it.

Complaining about the change is pointless and yes I know coming here and flaming everyone is no help either...but again nothing will change and threeatening to quit over it is pointless too because we OP people are a drop in the bucket to the overall card sales.

Thank you for reading (all the post)

I did read all the words in your post, and the statement about the junior is not at all off topic. You of all people should realize that it's not.

This change in policy is unfair. You're suggesting that if someone's not happy about it, they can just shut up and leave the game, and no one would care about it. What kind of mentality is that, from a PTO to say the least? How would you've liked it if *that* ruling stayed the same?

I'm guessing you hate that PUI lets people leave feedback for tournaments as well, as complaining about past events would be pointless?

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So, possibly a solution could be PUI setting up a better distribution method. Either using better and more efficient distributors, or offering a direct buy program for shop owners that support leagues and/or premeire events on a regular basis.

That's what I said several posts above, and I feel would be the best solution, instead of this ruling. Come up with a [del]Cyrus'[/del] scheme, where a store can be a Certified PUI Store(tm)(r)(c), and offer them special tins geared towards the competitive players. I can guarantee you that a tin with Uxie/Claydol/Rare Candy will cause everyone to flock to League again.

However, this new policy change or not, it still stands that the English booster boxes are inferior to the Japanese ones. They're inferior in terms of price, number of rares, number of Lv.Xs, and even artwork and card quality. That just has to be addressed, regardless of how the "store owners wanting people to buy boxes at their store instead of online" situation is dealt with.

 

[Prof Clay]

I did read all the words in your post, and the statement about the junior is not at all off topic. You of all people should realize that it's not.

This change in policy is unfair. You're suggesting that if someone's not happy about it, they can just shut up and leave the game, and no one would care about it. What kind of mentality is that, from a PTO to say the least? How would you've liked it if *that* ruling stayed the same?

I'm guessing you hate that PUI lets people leave feedback for tournaments as well, as complaining about past events would be pointless?

I am saying that fair or unfair...complaining will not change the fact that the decision has been made

I didn't say I agree with it...I just understand that complaining will not change this one. the people who are really behind this will never read your complaints and arguments.

I really believe that POP had no say in this..it came from PUI honchos above them.

Upperdeck did not allow japanese cards to be used in their organized play...why? To protect their business interests in the US and Europe.

Besides...your junior argument is off base as all POP players are being given a very PUBLIC warning that in SEPTEMBER as change in policy will take place. Game loss and prize penalties would likely not happen in this instance as the problem can be address prior to coming to the tournament and during deck checks.

Would I give a penalty for this to anyone...probably not...but I would have to have you replace the card with and English version if you were at Battleroads or Cities if you have one available..At States or higher I would have you replace the card with a basic energy of your choice since you have had PLENTY of TIME to become aware of the rule that was changed 4 months prior.

 

[flariados]

Scenario:

Tom: I now play my japanese energy card.
Danny: Can I see your translation?
Tom: Sure you can, altough there isn't text so there isn't really a translation.

POP comes,

POP: You can't use your Japanese energies anymore.
Tom: Why?
POP: Because we say so/because it is based on the card's origins.

 

[Dragon100]

u know what guys
Lets protest to POP

 

[MonsterOfTheLake]

I hardly think that Upper Deck is a model that PUI should be following, seeing as they don't even have the game anymore, and mishandled the situation so badly that players don't even know what's going on, or who's in charge.

It's really not relevant whether people will be penalized for this during Battle Roads. This policy change is worse for Europe than them not having a lot of trips to Worlds, this literally stops them from playing. This isn't about fixing the metagame, or whether looking at your prizes warrants a game loss, it has a huge effect on the global game. The sleeve change cost people $30-40 max. This literally costs players hundreds, not just those who recently bought Japanese cards, but through the effect it will have on the secondary market. Instead of addressing the problem via realizing why players went with Japanese cards over English, they just outright came up with a blanket ruling that has no positive effects for any player, from the non-competitive American 6 year old to the competitive German 18 year old.

I don't care if Shigeru Miyamoto himself called for this policy, it's just a bad idea for all parties involved, other than feeling a few greedy store-owners have a false sense of increased profits.

 

[ApachePrime]

Scenario:

Tom: I now play my japanese energy card.
Danny: Can I see your translation?
Tom: Sure you can, altough there isn't text so there isn't really a translation.

POP comes,

POP: You can't use your Japanese energies anymore.
Tom: Why?
POP: Because we say so/because it is based on the card's origins.

The ruling on energy cards seems to be more of a consistency thing. It was probably an all or nothing decision.

 

[Prime]

Yeah, Upper Deck didn't do that great of a job or Konami wouldn't have come in and taken their game from them.

 

[Martinek]

This is gonna be end of many players
GOOD MOVE POP

 

[SteveP]

I think we must blame players who've "abused" the foreign language loophole. While judging at the 2008 Regionals, one US player used about 56 Japanese cards in his deck. The foreign language loophole was NEVER meant for such "abuses" IMO.

I don't like this new rule either, because I've purchased a few Japanese cards too. But, I'm not one of those "abusers," and only use Japanese cards in very small amounts, and usually when I don't have any English versions.

 

[Prime]

SteveP, you can't think this change was made because of people that abused foreign language cards? Heck, less than .5% of the players in this game actually used foreign language cards at premier tournaments.

This is obviously a marketing stunt to increase sales of english cards.

 

[ApachePrime]

I think we must blame players who've "abused" the foreign language loophole. While judging at the 2008 Regionals, one US player used about 56 Japanese cards in his deck. The foreign language loophole was NEVER meant for such "abuses" IMO.

I don't like this new rule either, because I've purchased a few Japanese cards too. But, I'm not one of those "abusers," and only use Japanese cards in very small amounts, and usually when I don't have any English versions.

But the rule has ALWAYS been that if a Head Judge deems that the use of Japanese cards is disruptive they can have the player change their cards to English.

 

[SteveP]

it's not a straw man argument, because stores have the online purchase problem with EVERY game they sell.

the fact is: if their 'customers' only use their playspace without making at LEAST some of their purchases there, that venue will not last long. and then what happens to your local OP?

'mom

WOW! I think it's absolutely RIDICULOUS to think that customers cause businesses to fail. If a business doesn't provide a product and/or service that is competitive and/or attractive, that's THEIR fault.

Hey, maybe they should call upon the government for a bail-out!

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But the rule has ALWAYS been that if a Head Judge deems that the use of Japanese cards is disruptive they can have the player change their cards to English.

No sir-eee! I got BLASTED for making such a suggestion. Using Japanese cards is a RIGHT, so long as you have the outside references. The disruption is permissable, within the current rules.

 

[Red Haired Shanks]

I just emailed POP.

Have any of you guys emailed POP yet?

 

[Prime]

No need. POP didn't make the change. That is evident.

 

[SteveP]

SteveP, you can't think this change was made because of people that abused foreign language cards? Heck, less than .5% of the players in this game actually used foreign language cards at premier tournaments.

This is obviously a marketing stunt to increase sales of english cards.

Perhaps. PUI certainly benefits (profit-wise) from having players NOT use Japanese cards.

And, abuses by "the few" often causes changes that affect "the masses."

 

[ShadowCard]

@SD_PokeMon: your position against DarthPika is a flawd one if applied specifically against DarthPika instead of as a general rule. The location where he plays at is about an hour from where he lives, which is too far for one to drive for standard league, IMO. It is also worth noting that the location where DarthPika plays DID have a league. However, the store owner discontinued it due to poor attendance. So forget the store not making enough money from the league events, the league was not getting enough people weekly to begin with to even make money off of it.

SD_PokeMom, if you say that people need to make some purchase while that person is at a location for an event, that is fine. However, your post to DarthPika sounds like you expect him to make the place where he plays his decicated store to buy Pokemon from, when that store is far enough out of his travel distance to frequent whenever he wants to buy Pokemon and instead usually only goes there for premier events.

Like what SteveP said, the store is no longer providing a regular service to attract DarthPika to the store anymore, so how is that his fault when he is not within a reasonable radius to them?

So we as players are obligated to spend our money on risky packs because of the scare of if we don't, our local OP will go down the drain?

How about Nintendo? They are responsible for the risky packs, which are responsible for the players not buying them, thus not supporting their local OP. ... So, who is really to blame in this issue? The player who won't support a risky system or the organization that produces and supplies the risky system?

*wonders if SD_Pokemon will reply to this*

And that right there is EXACTLY why I don't usually buy packs from the local stores. You can only open a booster and get a stupid holo Tauros and a Luvdisk as the rare before you realize that your wasting your time and money.

Luvdisc is a rare?!

I am saying that fair or unfair...complaining will not change the fact that the decision has been made

But what are people supposed to do? Sit back and say "yes, PUI, you're the best and all decisions you make are great ones." :/ If people do not complain, PUI will not know that the decision they have made is unfavorable.

No need. POP didn't make the change. That is evident.

Maybe they didn't make the change, but putting pressure on them may cause them to address the issue with the higher power.

 

[Ditto]

I think we must blame players who've "abused" the foreign language loophole. While judging at the 2008 Regionals, one US player used about 56 Japanese cards in his deck. The foreign language loophole was NEVER meant for such "abuses" IMO.

I don't like this new rule either, because I've purchased a few Japanese cards too. But, I'm not one of those "abusers," and only use Japanese cards in very small amounts, and usually when I don't have any English versions.

How is this abuse? You're just being ignorant and ethnocentric.

 

[Scipio]

How about stopping the blame game?

Anyway, we can probably whine about this new rule all we want but it won't matter. What we SHOULD be able to do is to get PUSA to work out some of the finer lines. Such as Europe's situation, what with the many smaller countries who have many people who like to play abroad? (Such as the influx of Germans and French players in The Netherlands). Once little problems like that are out of the way, then we should all be able to just take this one and go on playing.

That said, I understand the pain of those who have just bought boxes of POTF (Or singles, for that matter), and I have to say the timing was VERY bad. Its almost as if PUSA doesnt seem to know that we know about when new sets in Japan are released.

The decision in itself is good. The execution...not so much.

 

[SteveP]

How is this abuse? You're just being ignorant and ethnocentric.

Okay. Maybe "abuse" is an extreme word. The Foreign Language rule is there for players who play non-local-language cards in moderation. It was also meant for players who travel to foreign countries. In the later case, it's NOT abuse, but in the first case, it's "excessive." And, IMO, some people probably think it's "abusive" side-stepping of a loop-hole in the rules. JMO tho.

 

[ApachePrime]

How is this abuse? You're just being ignorant and ethnocentric.

No. There is a clear delay of game in have a 60 card japanese deck. There is also a great amount of possibility for cheating, a player saying a card does one thing, and then the other player not reading the card. It happens, and this new ruling prevents that. This is not ignorant nor ethnocentric. It's abuse plain and simple.