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Question about Double Team

IMO it's the same as using Will-o-the wisp, sing or others.

Deoxys Speed
Spore
Double Team
Lock-on
Sheer Cold

FTW
 
Well I just needed to know because my friends use sing and they think that is okay just because it goes away but double team isn't.
 
vaporeon said:
Are you allow to use Double Team in Tournaments because I have friends that get mad when I use it.
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You would think that if your friends had difficulty getting around double team, they would come up with some way of countering it.

Seriously, there are many different variations of the swift attack... tell them to pick one and use it.
 
The King Of Magikarps said:
Its legal and you should abuse that move regardless of what others may think.
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So you're the kind of guy who goes to tournaments sporting mewtwo, kyogre and lugia and goes "I'M USING THEM AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK", huh?

Double Team's status is pretty much on a player-by-player basis. Because it's pretty much a 50-50 chance that your opponent won't play with you if you use it (I'm serious, double team's lopsidedness due to the ridiculous amount of chance it integrates into the game runs deep with a lot of players), if you want to be compatible with the rules of the people you play -- the same way you would not use Ubers that are not exactly Ubers, such as Wobuffet w/leftovers (granted that's not as much an issue now as it was before -- don't use it.
 
Kyfogre22 said:
So you're the kind of guy who goes to tournaments sporting mewtwo, kyogre and lugia and goes "I'M USING THEM AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK", huh?

Double Team's status is pretty much on a player-by-player basis. Because it's pretty much a 50-50 chance that your opponent won't play with you if you use it (I'm serious, double team's lopsidedness due to the ridiculous amount of chance it integrates into the game runs deep with a lot of players), if you want to be compatible with the rules of the people you play -- the same way you would not use Ubers that are not exactly Ubers, such as Wobuffet w/leftovers (granted that's not as much an issue now as it was before -- don't use it.
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I don't go to tournaments.
 
Kyfogre22 said:
So you're the kind of guy who goes to tournaments sporting mewtwo, kyogre and lugia and goes "I'M USING THEM AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK", huh?

Double Team's status is pretty much on a player-by-player basis. Because it's pretty much a 50-50 chance that your opponent won't play with you if you use it (I'm serious, double team's lopsidedness due to the ridiculous amount of chance it integrates into the game runs deep with a lot of players), if you want to be compatible with the rules of the people you play -- the same way you would not use Ubers that are not exactly Ubers, such as Wobuffet w/leftovers (granted that's not as much an issue now as it was before -- don't use it.
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No I don't use mewtwo, kyogre , lugia and all the other ubers. People need to learn that you don't attack all the time with out some kind of support. My umbreon has no attack moves and double team is in its move set. So with that said, you must have had a problem with it right.
 
no matter what everyone's opinion is, double team *IS* looked down up or disallowed in the competitive pokemon scene. double team makes a game where luck is already a decent factor into a huge one. if you think double team is easy to beat, you haven't faced someone who's used it on a wall. i'm sorry but 60 BP never miss attacks just aren't enough to stop a double teamer.

if you're just playing casually with friends, use double team if your friends agree on it. just don't use it in the competitive pokemon scene.

oh, and about umbreon. umbreon seems to be too weak to handle the massive attackers in DP, not to mention its susceptibility to taunt gyarados, which is immensely popular.
 
garsh0p said:
umbreon seems to be too weak to handle the massive attackers in DP, not to mention its susceptibility to taunt gyarados, which is immensely popular.
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But I have magic powers. *cries* Abracadabra *taunt stopped double team*

I remember using Umbreon against my friend's ubers. It made the game so much more fun for both of us. Sure I got peeved when his Sheer cold hit my Blissey and he got peeved when no attacks went through double team but that's how it goes.
 
In Competiitve battling in online WiFi tournies, it is banned, by most people. Evasion clause, as it makes the game all luck and no skill.
 
Double Team may be cheap. It may be dishonourable. It may be unfair. It may be looked down upon. People may not play with you if you use it.

Double Team is not cheating. Evasion clause is entirely player-enforced, not game-enforced.
 
Unless its specified by whoever is holding the tournament that Double Team and evasion moves in general are not allowed, feel free to use them. It's just that in general competitive play, it is frowned upon as it is cheap.
 
Marril said:
Double Team may be cheap. It may be dishonourable. It may be unfair. It may be looked down upon. People may not play with you if you use it.

Double Team is not cheating. Evasion clause is entirely player-enforced, not game-enforced.
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EDIT GOES HERE: I'm not trying to say that it IS cheating, because it's not. I'm just trying to clarify my point.

So? I don't think anyone's going to dispute that the game doesn't have any sort of preventative measure to people using double team (after all, it's not the call of the game to define fair play); that doesn't change the fact that as you move up in scale, more and more players won't play you if you use double team, as is the general idea of a metagame.
We've long moved beyond allowing the game to decide what is fair play and what isn't; the rules determined by the players are ultimately the rules that someone hoping to play in mainstream big-leauge play will either have to abide by if he/she/it wants to get very far or better have a real good justification for why that rule shouldn't be in play (which you'd have a real hard time doing for double team, beyond arguing that it was in the game in the first place and was therefore designed to be used -- but then you're opining yourself up to a LOT of trouble).

And really, I agree with the people who don't allow double team. Much has been done by players to stamp out the luck factor in battling in general (the extremely heavy use of moves with 100% accuracy over those with even 90% accuracy comes to mind), as far as I'm concerned all double team does is bring that back to the point of brutal lopsidedness; the combination of walls and double team make luck such a massive factor that playing the game rapidly loses its fun and turns into a, well, double team-fest. Moves of the swift variety aren't justifiable as a reasonable counter as the BA on all of them, even with STAB, isn't enough to put a dent in a wall, and buffing would simply play into the hands of said wall.
Also Umbreon? Taunting gyradoses, y halo thar.
As far as I'm concerned the justification for banning double team is simillar to that of banning ubers -- among all the things that make the game lopsided, they make the game TOO lopsided and require the player to abuse the strategy in question (ubers on ubers, double team on double, team, etc.) in order to counter it.
 
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