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Questions to the FINLAND players and organizers, especially Marstio.

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Rainbowgym

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I don't know who to ask, but there are players from Finland on this board, so they could answer this question.

Was TOM used during your STP's and other tournaments?
 
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Oke thanks for that info.
Are there more Finland players who can answer my question?

And TOM is the software provided by POP to use at their tournaments.
 
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Yes. We have used TOM in every tournament, except few times when TOM has crushed down in middle of tournament. That has happened 2 times in this season.
 
Can any one explain how there are somany Finnish players with rattings OVER 2000?:nonono:

The only way that I can see is that they have bin cheating. :mad: If I am wrong please explain how it's posible for most of the people in the country to have such high rankings?
 
By explain you actually mean 'justify' . I could explain how the rating system works but even with that explanation I would not touch on the justification for those multiple 2000+ ratings.

Cheating is a big accusation. I won't accuse the Finns of cheating because I cannot defend myself if asked to justify the accusation. Why? because I don't have access to all the information. Only POP has that level of access.

I'm sure that POP is aware of the high number of high ratings in Finnland. We have to trust POP to ensure that they don't hand out ratings trips to hawaii based upon deception or fraud. I do trust POP.

From POP's side I'm sure POP are aware that the issue is highly charged and that many of the European players and organisers are watching what is happening in Finnland closely. The Finnish situation has made detectives of many of us.

It isn't enough to be honest, you have to be seen to be honest too.

DarthPika I'm sorry that the next comment is going to seem harsh but wild accusation will not help to uncover what is going on in Finnland. Wild accusation actually makes it harder to establish the truth as resources are wasted. I sympathise with the emotional response but this is the time for cold reason and not emotion.
 
DarthPika said:
Can any one explain how there are somany Finnish players with rattings OVER 2000?:nonono:

The only way that I can see is that they have bin cheating. :mad: If I am wrong please explain how it's posible for most of the people in the country to have such high rankings?
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try to understand, if there is large tournaments, players are able to get more points. Got it? If same few players win every tournament, they are getting higher points that those players who are loosing more games than winning.
But its obvious, that every time when someone has something more, what others dont....it must be cheating...yes it is, like Ferrari in F-1. Everytime that Ferrari wins, its cheating....
Just quit this ridicilous bs.
 
I'm sure there are many good Finnish players, you only need to look at the Worlds results of last year to verify that.

But as it has been mentioned on this forum, you practically have to go undefeated to get a rating of 2000+ points. It is incredibly difficult to do. The fact that Finland has so many of those ~2000 players means that they don't face each other (often) in tournaments. If they did, they would keep taking each other's ranking points, and max out at around 1950, which is still high. That is what's happening in the Netherlands for example.

The fact the Finland has closed Battle Roads means that some people look with suspicion at the Finland tournaments. We want the chance to be able to compete against those high ranked players because we are competing for the same invites! Denying us that chance is not only unfair IMO (but the ranking system isn't fair, I know :p) but raises suspicions that not all is right, and for example, the Finland players take turns playing in tournaments so they don't have to face each other.

For all I know Finland really has 6 world class players, but denying us the chance to see them in action isn't right. Finland players have played tournaments in Sweden. Why not welcome to Swedes and other Europeans back? If Finnish players really are that good, they'll have no trouble beating the rest of Europe too.
 
marstio said:
try to understand, if there is large tournaments, players are able to get more points. Got it?
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No, I don't think anyone gets it. That's why suspision is rising. Calling what people are saying ridicolous isn't nice, you should instead give people thought-out answers since they seem to want them so much.

If same few players win every tournament, they are getting higher points that those players who are loosing more games than winning.
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In the Senior ranking list, there are only 4 players with 2000+ points in the entire United States of America, and they come from 4 different states (MI, CO, WA, NY). Finland's top 4 players come from two different towns (and there are three 2000+ point players, only one less than in the US). Also, there are two players from the same town with 2000+ points.

You shouldn't get angry at people starting to wonder what's going on - two players with 2000+ points from the same hometown is something so rare that the entire Pokémon world will find it extremely extraordinary. I can understand that it can't be nice to be accused of cheating, but you can't ask people to stop wondering. For anyone with even the slightest understanding of the rating system, this is a WEIRD situation.
 
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Tego, if u could been at Op meeting in Frankfurt, u would know better. I don't need any reason to give any explains, when there is nothing to explain. Its pure and simple, alot of players in many tournaments and only few same winners every single time. Our player base has over tripled up, but even much more larger tournaments, only few same players were been able to win and those players are won every tournament. Its not hard if u try .....:thumb:

And Fireborn: Closed Battle Roads was not my idea. Base idea came from Distributor and its same line with current PUI policy. Remember, OP is only because of marketing....
 
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Fireborn said:
you practically have to go undefeated to get a rating of 2000+ points. It is incredibly difficult to do.
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...and this is precisely what has been taking place. In Finland there are a small number of world class players and then there are the hoi polloi, those who play Island Hermit.
 
Marstio -

There is a very simple way to show what you are talking about.

I suggest you post the following:

  • Person's First Name and Last Initial, Age Group, Won/Loss Record, Rating

That very simple thing would show that Finnish players are not cheat but have earned it.

I believe that there is no issue relative to putting this info out since all tournaments are in a public domain.

Here are my son's ratings:

  • Thomas A.; JR; 79/9; 2041


Try this. This should quell any suspicions.
 
Good suggestion, personally (because I am in Masters) I am more interested in the Finland player with the signature below.
It's an amazing record, 60-2, won 7 tournaments according his signature.
But maybe this player also won a few BR, and maybe also ended second at another tournament (he got 2 loss) and forgot to put that in the signature.

CityChampion of Tampere, Helsinki, Hyvinkää and Palokka(Master) 07
StateChampion of Stockholm and Tampere and Hyvinkaa(Master) 07
3-time National Champion of Finland (04,05,06)
Premier Tournament Record: 60-2, 2062.20 (1st, EuroAfrica)(Master)
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But also those 2 brothers (at least I think they have the same last name) in Juniors interest me.
My son is in Juniors and his record is 1932.84 after playing 21 Premier events.
 
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Solanum tuberosum said:
...and this is precisely what has been taking place. In Finland there are a small number of world class players and then there are the hoi polloi, those who play Island Hermit.
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1. Island Hermit isn't that bad.
2. Every player that has been playing for at least 1 or 2 years can beat starterdecks. You aren't a world class player if you go 80-0 vs. only starters.
 
Treecko said:
1. Island Hermit isn't that bad.
2. Every player that has been playing for at least 1 or 2 years can beat starterdecks. You aren't a world class player if you go 80-0 vs. only starters.
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>:3

Island Hermit is bad enough.

The expression "world class players" I used is put into a different light when you consider the good performance of a number of Finnish players at worlds 2006 (excluding 15+, in which your "vs. only starters" is a somewhat applicable analogy when it comes to current rankings), and the fact that the suspiciously high rankings people are curious about are held by those very same players, don't you think?
 
I'd be more interested in the number of drops taking place also. When I look at the Finn's Junior (or senior) list, it shows 2 people very high up w/ the same last name. Siblings perhaps? So, these juniors never play each other??? I find that hard to believe. TOM would eventually pair up the unbeatens at some point. If, say one sibling agrees to drop when they pair up ag'st the other sibling...that still counts as a LOSS and a change in points. If both are around 2000 points, that is a healthy hit to points. Likewise, the majority of the 100 or so Finnish players listed in the my pokemon acct area have points inthe the mid 1500s to very low 1600s. In fact, about number 5 in the list is only 1650 or so. So, you have 2 or 3 top top numbers winners and a bunch of "noobs and scrubs"??? I'd love to see the number of actual matches the other 90+ finnish players have actually played. Just a few questions from someone interested.

Keith

PS Usually, when I see a "pokemon family" playing and traveling together....the siblings play the tourney. Hard to imagine telling one young sibling they cannot play this week bc it is Y's turn to "win".
 
Island Hermit isn't so bad... Anyways Rainbowgym, I think you have some problems with my signature...It really isn't so ashtonishing if we doesn't any competition as some of you claim. But I'm the wrong person to say if we have competition in Masters or not. And I've only gone 60-2 not 80-0 =P

Yeah I've played in 2 BRs and in one extra Premier Tournament but I think my signature is full enough so it doesn't need anything to add. And still I think my country isn't so bad in pokemon because we have the only European World Champion.
 
Here is a comparison of T20 to total registered players in the Country.

Juniors
-----------------US----------FI---------NO--------NL----------SE
T20-------------15----------2----------1----------1-----------1
Total in Div------1883-------108-------79--------43----------56
T20/Total (%)---0.797%----1.852%---1.266%---2.326%----1.786%

Seniors
-----------------US----------FI---------NO--------CA
T20-------------12----------5----------2----------1
Total in Div------1843-------181-------125------- 124
T20/Total (%)---0.651%----2.762%---1.600%---0.806%


Masters
-----------------US----------FI---------NL--------DK---------FR---------IT---------MX
T20-------------12----------1----------2----------1----------1----------1----------2
Total in Div------2360-------53--------64---------45---------63--------91---------726
T20/Total (%)---0.508%----1.887%---3.125%---2.222%---1.587%---1.099%---0.275%

Use these data to draw any conclusion you want.
 
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