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R.I.P. Ted Kennedy...

ralis said:
person above me and person above him.... ever heard of not speaking ill of the dead?
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not liking someone isn't speaking I'll of someone at all.
me, and many other people who post here may have more conservative views then what Ted Kennedy did/stood for in the senate.
 
Any of you who expect all posters in here to simply mourn for the deceased Senator Kennedy are naive.

Instead, it's more appropriate to talk about the life of Ted Kennedy - both the good and the bad. And, unfortunately for Kennedy's legacy, many people can think of bad before good.

Honestly, no true good comes to mind when I hear his name. What good do you fans of Senator Kennedy have to say about his legacy?
 
waynegg said:
Adolph Hitler accomplished much more than Ted Kennedy. He was even Time Magazine's "Man of the Year". Yes, Hitler was an awful, evil person, but that he accomplished more cannot be disputed.

And then there is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. He did many, many things, not the least of which includes incarcerating Americans that had a differing political affiliation (Communist Party, of which we now have 2 that represent us on the Senate Floor) and supported the rarely spoken of Japanese Internment Camps within the US during World War II.

Lets look at the quality of what T.K. accomplished instead of the quantity:

˚Although he was a staunch pro-choice advocate for the past 30 years, Kennedy adopted this position only after the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973. Prior to that, he held a pro-life position. Flip-flopper to whatever the "in" popular opinion was.

˚Kennedy introduced and was a strong supporter of the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act– signed into law by President Lyndon B Johnson– which dramatically changed U.S. immigration policy. Quote T.K.- "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." Ha, haha, hahaha! We have 56 million illegal aliens, taking 42 million jobs today. More Americans are out of work now than were out of work during The Great Depression! 42 million more jobs to go around would make a HUGE impact on the unemployment rate. Before you say "Lazy Americans wouldn't do those jobs anyway, you're so racist!", speak for yourselves. The jobs were filled before immigration got out of hand, and not by illegal aliens...

˚Kennedy was a staunch supporter of gun control initiatives. In 2006, he was one of the 16 senators who voted against the Vitter Ammendment prohibiting the confiscation of legally possessed firearms during a disaster. Ole Teddy was always all for stripping Americans of their Constitutional rights!

˚Kennedy generally favored alternative energy sources- Very good! and opposed additional Alaska oil drilling.- It was drilled decades ago and is pumping. It just isn't shipping, selling, or creating jobs. However, he opposed the Cape Wind wind turbine project which would occur near his home.- Very hypocritcal!

˚In the 1970s, Kennedy joined with fellow senators Ernest Hollings and Henry M. Jackson in a press conference to oppose President Gerald Ford's request that Congress end Richard Nixon's price controls on domestic oil- Nice! Price fixing is a felony kiddos!

˚Kennedy became "notorious" in the 1970s for his support of desegregation busing, while his own children attended private schools.- Was a racist, just didn't want to appear that way with how he voted.

˚Kennedy was outspoken in his views about Northern Ireland's constitutional question. In October 1971, he called for the withdrawal of British troops from Northern Ireland, and for all political participants there to begin talks on creating a United Ireland. In early 2005, however, Kennedy publicly snubbed Gerry Adams by canceling a previously arranged meeting, citing the Provisional IRAs "ongoing criminal activity and contempt for the rule of law."- Amazing how a little political greasing of the palms by a political ally can make it ok for said ally to oppress those you used to support.

˚Kennedy was a longtime advocate of raising the minimum wage. He helped pass the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, which incrementally raises the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 over a two year period. The bill also included some controversial tax cuts for small businesses and higher taxes for many $1 million-plus executives. Kennedy was quoted as saying, "Passing this wage hike represents a small, but necessary step to help lift America's working poor out of the ditches of poverty and onto the road toward economic prosperity"- This actually has quite the opposite effect. It increases inflation while downsizing takes place to compensate for the extra taxes Big Business is forced to pay. But, it looks good on paper, so why take the time to explain to your constituents why it is so wrong.

˚Kennedy believed that health care coverage was a fundamental right for all individuals.- But only after he saw it get Obama elected to office! Until then, he voted with his special interest Insurance Companies best interests in mind.
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We have a winner! Thanks for posting this up waynegg, I just didn't feel like taking the time to do this as I have become pretty sick.

To d master, just because he "accomplished" a lot doesn't mean that any of it was good. His personal life was nothing to be proud of either, and I believe he gained political influence only because of the Kennedy name. So, in my opinion, he was more a detriment to society than anything else.

Deserving of respect.... no, but deserving of a little sympathy because he died... yes. You lived your life the way you saw fit Ted Kennedy, Saint Peter will determine where you belong now.
 
(note to self, act the same way all the conservatives on this thread are when george w bush dies)

Nah, I won't do that. I won't sink that low just because his politics didn't match up with mine. I'll have a little more respect for the man, and for myself, when that happens. This country is going in the pooper because of divisive politics on both sides, and I'm just tired of it. It's not about right and wrong any more in this country, it's about one side trying to screw the other over and over again. I'm starting to see this in everything political and nothing seems to change, it just gets worse. Maybe if we tried to stop portraying each other as monsters, we'd get something done. But nope, political parties get too much money for it. News corporations make too much in advertising when they can "energize their base." Then when said party gets into power, they can't govern worth poop, both sides hate each other too much to get anything done, and the American people are the ones that pay for it. Ted was one of the few politicians that both sides respected enough to make those deals so something was accomplished. Maybe you weren't too happy about what happened, left or right, but at least something was done. The politicans realized that acting in the interests of the people and reaching compromise was key to proper governance.
 
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Hope you aren't lumping me in with conservatives, because I'm not. T.K.'s politics were bad for the American people, so I fail to see where America lost anything in his death.

You want to mourn someone's passing, at least let it be someone worth being mourned. You know, like the nameless moms and dads who die every day trying to put food on the table. Or the thousands of sodiers who died overseas fighting a pointless war where the interests of none but the ultra wealthy, ultra elite were ever at stake in the first place. They sure didn't die for our freedom or interests. Don't mourn a slime ball...
 
Everyone knows who they are, if they don't they're lying to themselves. I'm not pointing fingers, there's been enough of that in the last few weeks to last a lifetime.

I do wonder why anyone ever takes political jobs in the first place. The Kennedy's decided to go into politics when they clearly could have just not taken all of the bs that comes with it and lived on their fortunes. The Bushs, too. It can't be all self serving, but I might just be optimistic.
 
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Articjedi said:
Everyone knows who they are, if they don't they're lying to themselves. I'm not pointing fingers, there's been enough of that in the last few weeks to last a lifetime.

I do wonder why anyone ever takes political jobs in the first place. The Kennedy's decided to go into politics when they clearly could have just not taken all of the bs that comes with it and lived on their fortunes. The Bushs, too. It can't be all self serving, but I might just be optimistic.
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one word buddy- power
 
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