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Ratings - Not Rewarding Good Play

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So, even though it's still based around one tournament, if you do well enough and just barely don't get the trip, you still have a chance to earn one through rating? But at Regionals, the same cannot be said because people still have BRs and Nationals to gain more points than you. I can understand that logic.

I still think each Regionals could have invites. The NA region gives out 25 invites per age group, which most of them go to the USA anyways. Break it up so that 13 of those invites go to Regionals (1st place in each age group), and then NA fights over the last 12 invites for each age group. BUT PRIME...that isn't enough invites? That is exactly how many invites they gave out last year through ratings (other than Masters which had a weird 8). This way, top 8 at nationals gets invite, each winner of regionals gets invite and top 12 (of each age group) of each continent (most going to USA anyways) gets invite. I feel that would be a more fair system than making it a two-way system where you either win all your tournaments undefeated the entire season or do amazingly well at Nationals. For 99% of the players this year, their only chance is at nationals. Is that fair?
 
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So, even though it's still based around one tournament, if you do well enough and just barely don't get the trip, you still have a chance to earn one through rating? But at Regionals, the same cannot be said because people still have BRs and Nationals to gain more points than you. I can understand that logic.

I still think each Regionals could have invites. The NA region gives out 25 invites per age group, which most of them go to the USA anyways. Break it up so that 13 of those invites go to Regionals (1st place in each age group), and then NA fights over the last 12 invites for each age group. BUT PRIME...that isn't enough invites? That is exactly how many invites they gave out last year through ratings (other than Masters which had a weird 8). This way, top 8 at nationals gets invite, each winner of regionals gets invite and top 12 (of each age group) of each continent (most going to USA anyways) gets invite. I feel that would be a more fair system than making it a two-way system where you either win all your tournaments undefeated the entire season or do amazingly well at Nationals. For 99% of the players this year, their only chance is at nationals. Is that fair?
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Yeh, but I dont like that. It makes it extremely difficult to get an invite. I really really like that they listened and are giving out more invites than last year. I really didnt like when I saw that there was only going to be 8 invites last year.

Drew
 
The reason people didn't like 8 invites last year was (well...one reason) because there was no other way to get an invite other than Nationals and Ratings. In the system I posted (I just drew up, rough draft, not going to be perfect on first guess), there would be another way to get an invite. A way to get an invite that wouldn't be hindered by a player from across the country like you might find at Nationals or through Ratings. I'm not saying my system is perfect, as no system would be perfect, but some (if not most, if not all) are really hard tournaments and I'd like to see the person that wins them walk away with more than just a small paycheck when they arrive at nationals. People don't plan their whole year to get to Nationals. They plan their whole year to get to Worlds. Winning a Regionals should get you to Worlds (imho).
 
Steve - I meant that nobody is really stopping me, because I have a great record here. In retrospect, you are correct. Again, that is something I have no control of whatsoever. It isn't my fault my opponents are lower rated than me.

BJJ - Wrong. By living in a smaller state, you gain access to much closer State Championships, and are able to travel to several different areas with different players, judges and metagames. Oregon States was the closest thing I've ever had to that outside of Nats/Worlds and I wish it was closer so I could do it more.

Billbiski - I didn't say I should be ahead of Jason or those other players. I feel that I should be on that level of rating, though. Again, I'm not going to even deny that the Midwest is better than here, but it's undeniable that my record is comparable if not better than the majority of the players above me in rating and my rating does not refelct this, for one reason or another.

Prime - I disagree with invites being given out at Regionals. That's completely contradictory to what you said about Nationals being an event that anyone can have a good day and get invited. But invites by OVERALL regional performance throughout the year can work. You will have to at least do well at your Regionals, but not always take 1st place at the event. This allows people to win any event, but rewards the players who are consistently good in their area, which is the way it should be, considering someone like me can't just drive into another Region on any given Saturday.
 
Giving out invites at Regionals was not contridicting what I said about "any given day" at Nationals, it was supporting it by giving out invites at another tournament so that it wasn't "do well at nats or go home" to 99% of the players.

Invites by OVERALL regional performance? We can only go to 1 Regionals, how will player A that went 10-2 be better than player B that went 10-2? If there are 13 regionals and we are giving 1 invite out (per age group), wouldn't the best 13 performances at Regionals be the winners? I don't get what you are suggesting.
 
I don't know what the best type of State/Regional tournament to give out invites would be, but I think alternative, one-event qualifiers are needed in addition to the rankings.

ELO is a start. If "smart minds" collaborated, I'm sure we could improve the rankings to include other factors in addition to ELO.
 
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Giving out invites at Regionals was not contridicting what I said about "any given day" at Nationals, it was supporting it by giving out invites at another tournament so that it wasn't "do well at nats or go home" to 99% of the players.

Invites by OVERALL regional performance? We can only go to 1 Regionals, how will player A that went 10-2 be better than player B that went 10-2? If there are 13 regionals and we are giving 1 invite out (per age group), wouldn't the best 13 performances at Regionals be the winners? I don't get what you are suggesting.
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I said throughout the year, meaning one's performance in their own state's events throughout a season, not just Regional Championships. Example: Top 1-2 from each Region or whatever regions by rating.
 
The rating system does reward good play. But that doesn't mean that it might not be underestimating performance or missing out 'special circumstance'.

Scizor, can you tell me how many times you have faced a higher rated player this season? And the outcomes when you did? If you have never faced a higher rated player (and I know you have played lots of matches) then that would be a prima face case that you are being overlooked.

Drew or anyone else who'd like to chime in please do...
 
NoPoke - Keep in mind two Battle Roads from last weekend aren't reported yet for me. I do know that I faced 0 players rated above me in those, though. Here's when I've faced players rated above me:

2 712000251 2 1607.68 1648.68 You 8.94 1616.62 (City Championships, Round 2)
4 712000251 4 1624.14 1624.86 You 8.02 1632.16 (City Championships, Round 4)
11 803000019 4 1681.87 1717.31 Opponent -14.37 1667.50 (Oregon States, Round 4)
13 803000019 6 1682.44 1723.02 Opponent -14.14 1668.30 (Oregon States, Round 6)
20 803000103 6 1745.94 1753.92 You 16.37 1762.31 (California States, Round 6)

3-2 in those matches, with both losses being out of California and only in my second event of the season.
 
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BJJ - Wrong. By living in a smaller state, you gain access to much closer State Championships, and are able to travel to several different areas with different players, judges and metagames. Oregon States was the closest thing I've ever had to that outside of Nats/Worlds and I wish it was closer so I could do it more.
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What does States have to do with it? I said "more opportunities" as in events. No reason why 3-4 BRs shouldn't be run in Cali every weekend (except for the usual reasons discussed about this same time last year). And everyone got to play in 2 States maximum this year.

Metagames stop at state borders? Large states only have 1 metagame?

True they may be able to play different opponents. Or they may play the same opponents that they usually play. Larger staters who travel to a different state definately get the advantage of playing different players and possibly playing in different metagames.
 
States should be done away with and should be replaced by regional-type tournaments of a smaller scale and k value, that appeal to areas of play rather than "states" as it is now. Make them new Gym Challenges, with like 30 gym challenges being available across the US so that they are easily accessed throughout the US, while having the advantages of states with the fairness of regionals.

That way the east coast doesn't have the immense bias, and that way we can go back to having 4 states/gym challenges, much like what Jimmy said- people missed having 4 states and 2 regionals... we like tournaments =X

Thoughts?
 
ryanvergel said:
States should be done away with and should be replaced by regional-type tournaments of a smaller scale and k value, that appeal to areas of play rather than "states" as it is now. Make them new Gym Challenges, with like 30 gym challenges being available across the US so that they are easily accessed throughout the US, while having the advantages of states with the fairness of regionals.

That way the east coast doesn't have the immense bias, and that way we can go back to having 4 states/gym challenges, much like what Jimmy said- people missed having 4 states and 2 regionals... we like tournaments =X

Thoughts?
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Florida should have several "Gym Challenge" tournaments.

Also, Florida should host Worlds every year.
 
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