Rayquaza in Dragons Exalted

[Bigbowlr1037]

Rayquaza EX has to come out. It's coming out in a tin this fall. I'm pretty sure the tins are coming out before October-November (when the next set would be coming out)

Rayquaza EX isnt the rayquaza were talking about. Were talking about the rayquaza from dragon selection that was also released as a shiny in dragon blade. Its the best(possibly only) card zekeels has to deal with the hard hitting dragons that doesnt give up 2 prizes when 1 shot( every playable dragon released so far WILL one-shot every other playable dragon)

 

[Maverick Nate]

Shiny Pokemon Catcher doesn't cost that much... neither did shiny Emboar, although Emboar was already pretty dead when Next Destinies came out.

Emboar already had two different versions before the shiny: the Black & White one, and the tin. Catcher also had the regular uncommon print in Emerging Powers. In these cases, getting the Secret version of these two was just an aesthetic thing... people wanted the cards because they were cooler than the regular version, but because the regular versions already existed, their prices didn't skyrocket.

Now, consider this Rayquaza, which doesn't have any other option. The set has four secret rares, just like next destinies. There were 2 shinies per case, meaning each shiny individually was one in 12 boxes. Mewtwo-EX regular was one in every 3, and the FA was one in every six. This rayquaza will be considerably rarer than anything we've had in the black and white era, making it much much more expensive. Shiny Emboar and Shiny Catcher don't even compare.

 

[Houndoom]

>Control the might of dragons in a way that can change your game forever when the brand-new Dragon-type Pokémon make their debut in Pokémon TCG: Black & White—Dragons Exalted! The new Dragon-type, the first new Pokémon type introduced to Pokémon TCG in over a decade, features a fierce lineup of more than 15 Dragon-type Pokémon, including Rayquaza-EX, Giratina-EX, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. With a mix of new Pokémon-EX and a powerful group of Dragon-type Pokémon, Trainers will be ready for the roar of dragons and the glory of battle!

>The new Dragon-type, the first new Pokémon type introduced to Pokémon TCG in over a decade, features a fierce lineup of more than 15 Dragon-type Pokémon, including Rayquaza-EX, Giratina-EX, Garchomp, and Hydreigon.

>A fierce lineup of more than 15 Dragon-type Pokémon

>more than 15 Dragon-type Pokemon

There's still hope

 

[Gliscor]

>more than 15 Dragon-type Pokemon

There's still hope

Remember that the FA Rayquaza and Giratina EX could count as a different card (assuming that's what they mean) than the regular Rayquaza and Giratina EX, which would bring the counts to more than 15.

 

[Houndoom]

Remember that the FA Rayquaza and Giratina EX could count as a different card (assuming that's what they mean) than the regular Rayquaza and Giratina EX, which would bring the counts to more than 15.

Fair point, but like someone mentioned earlier, it could be the same as BW base set. The set description sad over 70 new pokemon, with the set having around 100 cards due to multiple versions of the same pokemon. I just think the way they have changed the description to over 15 might be an indicator that having both Altaria and Rayquaza is a possibility. Or maybe I'm just hoping too hard seeing as how I pre-ordered a case haha

 

[Frost]

I feel like I'm missing something? The shiny Rayquaza has a regular equivalent like all of the other shinies in the BW era do, right?

 

[Maverick Nate]

I feel like I'm missing something? The shiny Rayquaza has a regular equivalent like all of the other shinies in the BW era do, right?

The regular equivalent is in the mini set, Dragon Selection, which is extremely unlikely to make any appearance in Dragons Exalted. Dragons Exalted is pretty much exclusively going to Dragon Blast/Dragon Blade/Hydreigon Half Deck/Garchomp Half Deck, based on the numbers, and other evidence as Japan's next set only has 4 or 5 dragons (only relevant because TPCi wouldn't want to start the Dragon type with like 20 dragons, and then drop it down to five in set two. Saving Dragon Selection for our BW7 evens them out). This means, if they don't change any of the Secret Rares, that the Shiny Rayquaza could still be released in Dragons Exalted. Meaning, that a highly playable card might only be released as a secret rare in a set that has three other secrets to compete with.

 

[Envoyofduels]

The regular equivalent is in the mini set, Dragon Selection, which is extremely unlikely to make any appearance in Dragons Exalted. Dragons Exalted is pretty much exclusively going to Dragon Blast/Dragon Blade/Hydreigon Half Deck/Garchomp Half Deck, based on the numbers, and other evidence as Japan's next set only has 4 or 5 dragons (only relevant because TPCi wouldn't want to start the Dragon type with like 20 dragons, and then drop it down to five in set two. Saving Dragon Selection for our BW7 evens them out). This means, if they don't change any of the Secret Rares, that the Shiny Rayquaza could still be released in Dragons Exalted. Meaning, that a highly playable card might only be released as a secret rare in a set that has three other secrets to compete with.

And people thought Mewtwo and Darkrai were bad.

 

[Bigbowlr1037]

Being this is my first year in pokemon i could be wrong but TPCI doesnt seem like a company of morons. Being as only 3 cards have been confirmed so far out of the 124 card set. There is plenty of room to put rayquaza in at 84, just before rayquaza ex. TPCI doesnt seem like a company that would want to make rayquaza a $100+ card just to release release a non secret rare version later.

 

[untitled]

^As I said in my original post, the only plausible way for that to happen would be to cut Altaria. And then they're cutting Swablu too, throwing all their numbers off just to add one card from Dragon Selection. Plus then they're printing all but three cards from DB/DB and the half decks. It's not likely they'll do this.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to cut the secret rare Rayquaza out of the set. It wouldn't mess with any of the numbers and would keep the secondary market in check, which they've been trying to do in the past. Or, we could get an English-exclusive version of the Rayquaza with alternate art as a Promo to keep the price down. They still have a number of options, but including the normal version is looking like one of the less likely ones.

 

[Otaku]

tl;dr If the above speculation is correct, Rayquaza will be cut from Dragons Exalted. If this happened, ZekEel would lose its primary way of running with Garchomp, and Garchomp would lose a nice backup attacker. How would this impact the metagame?

If we take the blurb literally, we are also getting Dragon Energy, or something akin to it. Blend Energy could be what they mean, but it really strikes me as a typo and they meant a new Pokemon type, not a new Energy type. Given how fast and loose they are playing with rules of grammar, it is fairly plausible that 15 isn't really "15". It could be at least 15, or if they aren't counting the Full Arts separate, strange as it sounds they might not count multiple versions of the same name card as individuals (e.g. you only count one Gible or Gabite).

Alternatively, could some of the duplicate lower Stages be getting left out? I mean, the one Gabite looks pretty wicked for Limited play, and thus it is possible they are pulling an old trick; to keep from making overpowered Limited decks that either get search Gabite or don't, it (and possibly a Gible) will be in the next set.

Oh and there have been three releases of the Rayquaza in question:

Dragon Selection 11/20

Dragon Blast 55/50

BW-P Promotional Cards 114/BW-P

Don't know how rare the promo or Dragon Selection versions are... but I am starting to wonder if extreme rarity is why we aren't seeing it used.

tl;dr: My own speculation that if accurate sets us back to square one, at least on specifically predicting which unnamed cards we aren't getting in the set. :lol:

 

[Maverick Nate]

Don't know how rare the promo or Dragon Selection versions are... but I am starting to wonder if extreme rarity is why we aren't seeing it used.

The promo was given out to those who pre ordered Pokémon conquest in Japan. As that game is already out for us, and no promos were given out, that specific promo is pretty much dead for us. It had Nobunaga in the illustration. We will not be getting this promo print.

 

[tutti]

We might still get it over in Europe though.

 

[Bigbowlr1037]

^As I said in my original post, the only plausible way for that to happen would be to cut Altaria. And then they're cutting Swablu too, throwing all their numbers off just to add one card from Dragon Selection. Plus then they're printing all but three cards from DB/DB and the half decks. It's not likely they'll do this.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to cut the secret rare Rayquaza out of the set. It wouldn't mess with any of the numbers and would keep the secondary market in check, which they've been trying to do in the past. Or, we could get an English-exclusive version of the Rayquaza with alternate art as a Promo to keep the price down. They still have a number of options, but including the normal version is looking like one of the less likely ones.

Why is cutting the altaria the only plausible way. Maybe they cut the Dragon blade maractus, doubt alot of people will miss it. And then they have the 1 slot needed to fix the problem. I dont know about most people but when you call the set DRAGONS exalted but may cut a rayquaza because we cant screw with the grass types it seems dumb

 

[King Piplup]

Why is cutting the altaria the only plausible way. Maybe they cut the Dragon blade maractus, doubt alot of people will miss it. And then they have the 1 slot needed to fix the problem. I dont know about most people but when you call the set DRAGONS exalted but may cut a rayquaza because we cant screw with the grass types it seems dumb

Because the set numbers need to add up, and TPCI is not likely to mess with the clear cut numbers of DB/DB+Half Decks.

 

[Otaku]

Control the might of dragons in a way that can change your game forever when the brand-new Dragon-type Pokémon make their debut in Pokémon TCG: Black & White—Dragons Exalted! The new Dragon-type, the first new Pokémon type introduced to Pokémon TCG in over a decade, features a fierce lineup of more than 15 Dragon-type Pokémon, including Rayquaza-EX, Giratina-EX, Garchomp, and Hydreigon.

Emphasis added by me.

So, now it is more than 15 Dragons.

 

[untitled]

If we take the blurb literally, we are also getting Dragon Energy, or something akin to it. Blend Energy could be what they mean, but it really strikes me as a typo and they meant a new Pokemon type, not a new Energy type. Given how fast and loose they are playing with rules of grammar, it is fairly plausible that 15 isn't really "15". It could be at least 15, or if they aren't counting the Full Arts separate, strange as it sounds they might not count multiple versions of the same name card as individuals (e.g. you only count one Gible or Gabite).

Alternatively, could some of the duplicate lower Stages be getting left out? I mean, the one Gabite looks pretty wicked for Limited play, and thus it is possible they are pulling an old trick; to keep from making overpowered Limited decks that either get search Gabite or don't, it (and possibly a Gible) will be in the next set.

Yeah, this argument can be made. But ultimately, the set numbers have to add up. As I said in the OP, we know all the dragons that have been released in Japan and the only ones that can possibly go between Rayquaza-EX and Garchomp are Gible and Gabite. And in order for the numbers to work, there must be two Gible and Gabite in the set because there are four spaces between the cards in the English set.

Oh and there have been three releases of the Rayquaza in question:

Dragon Selection 11/20

Dragon Blast 55/50

BW-P Promotional Cards 114/BW-P

Don't know how rare the promo or Dragon Selection versions are... but I am starting to wonder if extreme rarity is why we aren't seeing it used.

tl;dr: My own speculation that if accurate sets us back to square one, at least on specifically predicting which unnamed cards we aren't getting in the set. :lol:

True, so this could back my idea that we could get Rayquaza as a promo before it gets released in a main set. I don't think we're back at square one, though, because the set numbers still have to add up and there are a very limited number of ways for this to happen.

 

[Otaku]

I am also coming around to your way of thinking now that we have more Dragon-Type Pokemon showing up in the latest Japanese release, making it even less likely for the English releases to be in a single set.

*sigh*

What is sad is you could have just said "Lost Zone mechanic" and then "/topic". >_<

 

[King Piplup]

Thread is only 5 days dead, so I felt safe to bump.

Altaria is confirmed in the set as 84/124, so there is almost a 0% chance Rayquaza makes the cutoff.

Actually, the good Gabite could be in the hotseat as well. Doing some quick calculations to figure this out.

---------- Post added 07/18/2012 at 08:35 PM ----------

84. Altaria
85. Rayquaza EX
86. Gible
87. Gible
88. Gabite
89. Gabite
90. Garchomp
91. Garchomp
92. Giratina
?
+3 Hydregion line

Soo....With 24 Colorless/TSS/FA's, that puts us at 119. 5 short. The options-

Anything that has a 'Dex number after Giratina's, and most likely will have to be a Dragon Type, since nothing else exists in Colorless/TSS, other than Fast Ticket.

In my honest opinion, I think Haxorus+both copies of both it's lower forms will be those 5. It also could be Druddigon/Awkward part lines/Fast Ticket.

Either way, I'm pretty sure one evolution from Dragon Selection makes it, and am positive that Rayquaza DS misses.

 

[Bigbowlr1037]

With 124 cards,119-124 are the full arts.