Reshiboar VS Reshiphlosion?

[diluzio91]

I'm making a new thread because my last one was in the wrong section, and although it's related to my current one, its kind of different.


What are the pros and cons of each?

I'm thinking about building my first deck and have reshiboar and reshiphlosion in mind. I can probably get the major cards for each, so that's not a gigantic issue. I like the brute force approach that using fire pokemon brings. I currently have a typ prime coming in the mail, so i thought i would ask the experts what the big differences where.

 

[FMaholic]

I'm making a new thread because my last one was in the wrong section, and although it's related to my current one, its kind of different.


What are the pros and cons of each?

I'm thinking about building my first deck and have reshiboar and reshiphlosion in mind. I can probably get the major cards for each, so that's not a gigantic issue. I like the brute force approach that using fire pokemon brings. I currently have a typ prime coming in the mail, so i thought i would ask the experts what the big differences where.

Really, it's quite simple. It involves some self searching and asking yourself a single question

...Do you enjoy losing?

If you answered with a resounding "yes!" then Reshiboar is your choice, if you said "no", then Typhlosion it is destined to be.


Search your hearts, Pokegym, you know it to be true.
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[griEGO]

Im not an expert but ive played the deck alot so i would say that Rehsiphosion will be more consistent and alot easyer to play, on the other hand Reshiboar isnt that big of a deck anymore, The deck that people play with it now is Magnazone,Reshi,Emboar,Pichu while using the twins engine.

But in the long run if you look at the history of Reshiphlosion it seems to be the "play" atm.
Anyway hope i helped in some way or another.

 

[PokePop]

Really, it's quite simple. It involves some self searching and asking yourself a single question

...Do you enjoy losing?

If you answered with a resounding "yes!" then Reshiboar is your choice, if you said "no", then Typhlosion it is destined to be.


Search your hearts, Pokegym, you know it to be true.
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Right, because the World Champion deck has Typhlosion and not Emboar in it.
Oh, wait....

How about you give some reasons for your opinion instead of just "it's popular, it must be good!"?

 

[FMaholic]

Right, because the World Champion deck has Typhlosion and not Emboar in it.
Oh, wait....

How about you give some reasons for your opinion instead of just "it's popular, it must be good!"?

Okay.

In the City Championships which happen to be in the current format, in the current season in the present time:

Reshiboar: 3 Masters Top 4's, including 1 win.

Reshiphloshion: 39 Master Top 4's, including 3 wins.


Are there more people playing Reshiphlosion than Reshiboar at these tournaments, I would say there probably are, but even that's speculation as I don't think there's a database of such total information.


Source: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=157680

 

[arMILO]

reshiboar isn't too viable in this dawn of catcher and N. You get wrecked by both cards and don't have the synergy of typhlosion to keep yourself going.

 

[FMaholic]

reshiboar isn't too viable in this dawn of catcher and N. You get wrecked by both cards and don't have the synergy of typhlosion to keep yourself going.

If you're playing Reshiboar well, you should already have enough energy to blue flare for a few turns while you set up another Boar, I would think Typhloshion would actually recover slower than Reshi from being catchered & KO'ed.

 

[arMILO]

Now are we saying enough energy on multiple reshi's? or alot on one? And typhlosion plays more than two, the reason i say this is because i've always seen typhlosion hit the field in pairs initially, so if they can blue flare then they can afford to have one ko'd and still keep it going with only one while they get another one set up. With emboar you need the boar and the energy recovery card, and you probably have to roast reveal to do this, now you need the recovery card and an energy or a fisherman, which uses your supporter for the turn. It's like roast reveal.... reveals how bad the synergy is...... I've played both decks, boar is buttloads more fun because it's walking on a razor's edge, you lose big or win big.

 

[Darkwalker]

The major differences between the two are as follows:

Once TyRam is set up it's self sustaining. You really don't even need to draw cards once you set up 2-3 Typhlosion and have a steady stream of Reshiram available with enough Fire in the dicard pile. The problems it has is if it even needs to do more than 120 damage at a time (yes, there is PlusPower, but there is also trainer lock).

Once Boar gets set up it typically has enough recovery built into the deck to simply sweep prizes until it wins. The problems it has are it can start slowly, is moderately easy to disrupt, and is prone to early dead hands due to all the recovery cards it needs.

The biggest difference I see between the two decks is how they affect the metagame as a whole. Reshiram is a constant 120 damage pressure deck. It may not always get a KO per turn, but it will consistently put damage up on the board. Boar is currently one of the few all around OHKO decks (the other common one being Magnezone variants) as 150 damage from Bad Boar is enough to KO just about everything out there (with a few exceptions, of course). It can still play the 120 damage pressure game, but not as efficiently as Typhlosion can do it.

The last major difference between the two is that the vs. matchup is heavily in Boar's favor as it exploits what Typhlosion does to it's main attacker (placing damage on it) with it's own clean Reshiram's. It also has a secondary attacker in Bad Boar that can OHKO Typhlosions and Reshirams all day without being OHKO'd back barring something like a rare triple PlusPower.

In the current metagame, Reshiram itself is weakened severely by the presence of Eviolite. It can no longer expect to simply OHKO Tornadus and Zekroms with a single PlusPower. Kyurem is also a major issue as there is now a water dragon that can hit it for weakness, and Eviloite makes two shotting Kyurem difficult without placing a significant amount of damage on it to trigger an Outrage OHKO back. Of the two decks I favor Boar more right now, simply because you have access to Bad Boar to punch through hard to kill targets that TyRam simply cannot deal with.

 

[fawfulmark2]

reshiphlosion guarantees Kos easier than boar.

I thought of reshiboar, but didn't like the energy waste and said "screw this, I'm using Victini."

but I'm just weird like that. but boar is the lesser of the 2.

 

[Darkwalker]

At this point in the metagame I don't think Boar is any less viable than TyRam (quite the opposite in fact). It is certainly less popular, though. Oddly, the reduced usage of TyRam actually hurts Boar quite a bit.

 

[Rambo]

Right, because the World Champion deck has Typhlosion and not Emboar in it.
Oh, wait....

How about you give some reasons for your opinion instead of just "it's popular, it must be good!"?

To be fair to FMaholic, he is giving reasons that are valid, not due to popularity. The current format mainly through the use of one card (catcher) has changed this format a lot in terms of Reshiboar's playability and emboars in general. Reshiphlosion can recover from Catcher, as they all have 2 or less retreat, so can easily Afterburner to retreat the active, whereas Reshiboar would have to use a lot of resources to recover from an emboar being catcher'd up.

Sometimes decks are more popular for a reason.

 

[thunderjolt]

reshiboar isn't too viable in this dawn of catcher and N. You get wrecked by both cards and don't have the synergy of typhlosion to keep yourself going.

I'd beg to differ a little bit. I play reshiboar all the time on PTCGO, and N and catcher don't totally wreck me. I've been able to retreat with 4 energy every time, and with burned tower/Nintetales, N doesn't hurt either.

Although, I do agree that it can get dead hands early game, but every deck has that risk.

 

[PokePop]

To be fair to FMaholic, he is giving reasons that are valid, not due to popularity. The current format mainly through the use of one card (catcher) has changed this format a lot in terms of Reshiboar's playability and emboars in general. Reshiphlosion can recover from Catcher, as they all have 2 or less retreat, so can easily Afterburner to retreat the active, whereas Reshiboar would have to use a lot of resources to recover from an emboar being catcher'd up.

Sometimes decks are more popular for a reason.

The reasons he gave after my post were great and very useful.
At the time of my post, he had not posted useful reasons.