Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Return Nationals to Columbus Ohio.

Anyone using a Hotel as a crutch for one event or the other is being a little silly. A hotel is a hotel, you can find hotels almost anywhere that will have the features you want, you may have to book a bit earlier but you can definitely find it if you look well for it.

You should be comparing the event, things to do, and whatnot instead.

Drew
 
Drew, I think the point about hotels was to help people figure out options for next year if Nats is back in St. Louis. I appreciate hearing about people's experiences in various hotels since there is not one actually attached to the convention center. Most of us went on line and guessed as best we could about what would be the best place to stay. Now that a wide range of people have stayed in varoius hotels in and around St. Louis, we'll be better prepared next year.

Also, for many of us, Nationals is more than playing pokemon. It's a chance to see a new city, maybe do a little sightseeing since we're already there, etc.
 
Kansas City?

If people were complaining about the lack of things to do in St. Louis, with the Arch and riverfront right there, you definitely don't want to bring them here :) Kansas City is a place to live and work, not to visit.

On the other hand, it seems that a large contingent of people wants to just hang around and play games 24/7, so maybe having other things to do isn't so big a deal, as long as you have an around-the-clock game room somewhere.

Hey, if TPC wants to bring it here, I won't complain :biggrin: And I'll help make it great for everyone visiting.

Why go to Columbus if it's out of the context of Origins?

If you haven't been around, Columbus isn't really that great.

/agree

If the idea is to keep it in the Midwest, then I'm all for Chicago or Indianapolis.

I think the Merchandise Mart in Chicago would be an awesome venue. Definitely no complaints about food (food court inside) or getting around (the El stops inside the building).

(I should clarify that I had no issue with St. Louis -- just tossing out other ideas, since that seems to be what the thread has become.)
 
I'm from California. I went to two Nats in Columbus and now one in St. Louis with my son.

I found the experience in St. Louis to be superior overall. I prefer not to pay $100 for my son and I to enter a site to play a free game.

My room was very nice, my bed was incredibly comfortable. My son and I didn't miss a meal. We played Pokemon. My son bought sleeves when he needed some. Everything we wanted was available at this year's Nats in St. Louis. If Nats returned, I am confident that things, already better in many ways to Columbus's Origins, would improve.

Before Nats in St. Louis, many people complained and said that this would be the worst NATS ever, that no one would come.

After the largest Nats ever, the largest Pokemon tourney anywhere ever, there are still complaints. TPCI does know what they are doing, in spite of much naysaying here, and pulled off a great event. They're reading your posts, they listened to players in St. Louis; TPCI knows what needs to be improved and will make it happen if returning to St. Louis, I am sure.

I have complete faith in The Powers That Be. Thanks for a great event!
 
I can name oh so many reasons not to go back to Columbus. I can be happy with going back to St. Louis. But I can name 100 reasons to come to Dallas (Grapevine) and none of them is for myself as I like to travel to other places. But the Number one reason is MONEY. If you want to spend money come to DFW. If you want to save MONEY come to DFW. We are a convention built city. But you can also stay safe for a cheap price. With the Major Airport central location and big enough that the market is not in a Monopoly the flights to choose from will be fair to most that will attend. But I can give more reasons if you don't think Dallas is the best choice for the majority.
 
where was the 10th anniversary event, navy pier in chicago?

'mom

It wasn't the 10th Anniversary event. That was held in the Westfield Mall. The Journey Across America, however, was held in Navy Pier. And it was a ZOO. I was on staff at that one, handing out Shadow Lugia cards to anybody and everybody. It was quite fun seeing how far we could fling a Pokemon card. I think the record was about 45 feet. And, of course, everybody who walked in got one. I think we got through over 900 individual demos, and that line was never shorter than *maybe* 40 people. *MAYBE*. Unfortunately, the OP site seems to have deleted all mention of the Journey Across America tours. Dunno why, though. Those were the most *FUN* events I've ever been to, including Nationals. This was around the time of Colosseum 2 XD's release. I think it was the winter of 2005 for Chicago, though I might be mistaken...
 
I live near Boston, and would love it to be there for convenience purposes, but in all honesty Boston is not that great of a city. I'd love a rotating location, and my top pick would be the beautiful city of Atlanta.

From a person who lives 20 miles from ATL let me tell you that hotlanta is NOT that beautiful. In fact, I would rather have Nats in Harlem, NY than have it in the ATL.
 
I have heard many reports of people unable to find food...

At the venue there was very limited food granted, but if you actually went 1 or 2 blocks in the right direction, there was many many choices.

If you only want fast food, then I guess you ahve a problem, but I saw more than a few reasonable priced restaurants nearby.

Nothing to do? My daughter and friends went BOWLING less than 3 blocks from the convention center and had great time.

It has been posted before and I will post it again...do a little research about the area and find out everything you need to know prior to going to a city. Do you really think that the area around the RAMS football stadium is void of things to do?

For every 1 or 2 people who come on these threads and say what a horrible time they had, I am sure there are 10 who found the experience to be great.
 
I Honstly Think Memphis Would be a great place to Hold NATS,
A great Vendor in the area, Great Places to have it, Fed ex Forum, The Pyramid, Mid South Colisem, Or even Downtown at the peabody hotel Memphis Airport is a HUB (cheaper Flights, with more airlines) Its the intersection for 2 major interstates...for those who choose to drive, and as a WHOLE it is a moderately priced city! Not to mention the site of the city...Beale ST Mud Island Graceland memphis ZOO and even the place where they shoot that TV show for the Food Network...Gotta love the Dry Rub Ribs
 
Why go to Columbus if it's out of the context of Origins?

If you haven't been around, Columbus isn't really that great.
Peach on, The Gorn!

Please, do not send us back to Origins. St. Louis was a big success, IMO. We didn't have to walk an airport to get to the hall for one thing. Not being familiar with the city as well as we knew Columbus played into the perception that there was "nothing to do." Origins is going downhill, IMO. Each year, the preregistration process, which gets poorer and poorer in quality each year, is a sign of the conventions problems. Not to mention the increasing badge fee.

I'd be in favor of keeping it at St. Louis (note: I live in Virginia). Whoever commented about having an open gaming room was right on, I think. We come to Nats to play Pokemon, but Pokemon is not all we want to do. Another room available for other games would be a good idea.
 
$129 a night for "premium" suite at Wyndam Hotel. One block down from the Convention center. Two double beds in main room, pull out couch in a separate area that could be closed off with french doors. Two flat screen wall mounted TVs (one in each area). Clean and spacious. Super friendly staff. Unfortunately the pool was closed due to construction. I would stay there again.

When we were at Origins, we never left the venue. Nothing to see, nothing to do.
St. Louis is a place worth getting back to. MetroLink was great. Took it to Laclede's Landing for dinner at Hannigans one night, spaghetti factory the next night. Also did the Arch. Plan to do Union Station next year.

Now that we've all been there, we will be in better shape to get food (subway, quiznos was a HOT 4 block walk) and not rely on what's in the convention center. Loved the starbucks right across the street, and the deli down the block that was selling icecold bottled water 2 for a$1.

It was also really nice to have everything Pokemon related in one room, esp. for those of us with kids we're trying to keep an eye on. And not having to spend the $50 entry fee was a huge savings. Overall, Nats at St. Louis was about $200 cheaper for us than Nats in Ohio. Cheaper hotel, cheaper transportation from the airport, cheaper food options, and no entry fee.


Excellent prior post, Doug. I also got to stay in that kind of room Wednesday night, and it was very nice! The pull-out bed had a weak mattress, but that was fine for what it was.

St. Louis was a ghost town, though. This helped Lafonte find a baseball field to play softball on, but made the city less amusing and fun. There was a *** pride festival AND a community festival always going on in Columbus during Nationals which made the city BOOMING with people. I wish there was more variety in the restaurants. I got to eat at a nice Italian place (with you!), ate at my new favorite restaurant-
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&i...1338745192291502&ei=TK9NSsXJEpiOMvmQxYYK&cd=1
The BEST Chinese Food: Hunan Manor. Unlike many Chinese restaurants, this place was not crowded at ALL- we went during dinner hour and lunch hour, and had immediate and consistent, perfect service. The sweet and sour chicken was actually more chicken than dough, which surprised me. The orange beef was superb. The egg drop soup was good. They had an amazing and cheap lunch buffet too. It was easily the best Chinese food I've had for its price.
But all in all, I felt little variety for this place. Lots of places were also closed Sunday or after 3o'clock, so it made planning unfortunate. We missed going to a barbecue place twice because it was closed. We missed an Italian restaurant after 3, and our favorite Chinese restaurant Sunday. A friend got sick while eating at Caleco's, so we avoided that place.
The city had a rather unpleasantness about it though. It didn't particularly smell good, but it did not have many homeless people or traffic at all. It wasn't dirty, it was just kind of decaying.

I would much rather have Nationals at a bigger city like Chicago, Philadelphia, LA/SD, Seattle, NYC would be awesome to have a Nationals at.

Keep it out of the south! I am from Florida, but we do a LOT of walking. Let's have a Nationals up north please! This heat wave sucked =(
 
Its not one thing that can be established. 4 me it was the choice of the one rude vendor and the haet. Aside you can't control heat or prices of hotels being almost innevitable. I thing nats should not stay in st. Lois. Ghost town yes. Also my favorite thing about columbus is karaoke in the lobby of the hotel that's attached.
 
Peach on, The Gorn!

Please, do not send us back to Origins. St. Louis was a big success, IMO. We didn't have to walk an airport to get to the hall for one thing. Not being familiar with the city as well as we knew Columbus played into the perception that there was "nothing to do." Origins is going downhill, IMO. Each year, the preregistration process, which gets poorer and poorer in quality each year, is a sign of the conventions problems. Not to mention the increasing badge fee.

I'd be in favor of keeping it at St. Louis (note: I live in Virginia). Whoever commented about having an open gaming room was right on, I think. We come to Nats to play Pokemon, but Pokemon is not all we want to do. Another room available for other games would be a good idea.

I just think that Nationals should be in a place that a family would want to visit.

When we lived in Raleigh there was a saying - "Raleigh. It's a great place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit there."

The same thing is true for a lot of places, especially a lot of these mid-western cities that are being discussed. They're great places to live, but not family vacation destinations.

Put Nationals somewhere where families would want to spend some time.
 
Gorn, I am going to come out swinging here...

Nothing for families to do in St. Louis?

Then they are not trying to look.

FREE Zoo...one of the best zoos in the Nation

Free Science Center...lots of hands on activities

Six Flags less than 30 minutes away

St. Louis Cardinals Baseball (yes, they were in town)

St. Louis Magic House (Fee, but highly rated kid's museum)

City Museum (Kids museum, fee but a great experience)

St. Louis Gateway Arch - Go up and see!

Missouri Botanical Garden - one of the best in the WORLD!

Metrolink (safe, clean public transportation) from the airport to the convention center - no $50 cab rides here!!!

Several great shopping stops on the Metrolink including Union Station and others.

As for food, my goodness, any research would have pointed you to some great little gems downtown!

Any amount of research would have shown you this.

Night life and music on Laclede's Landing for the older set.

I frankly don't think Columbus comes close, or Indy or Chicago either!

Sure there is no "tourist trap" of Disney or Seaworld or the like...but those are for Worlds.

I have stayed off this thread, as I am the "homer" but my goodness, to state that St. Louis is not a family friendly destination is the height of ignorance.

Vince
 
St Louis, Columbus, Memphis, Baltimore..... I don't care what you people say.... 99% of the people that actually get to Nationals only get to see a tiny "cube" of what these cities actually have to offer....

Why????????

Most families don't get to take a whole week off for an event like this.... So in the 2-5 days that you actually get for everything you're either TRAVELING or your PLAYING/PLAYTESTING POKEMON. That's what you went there for right? Can you honestly say that most of you do or care about anything else during this time period? I'll give people like Lafonte credit if they found time to get a softball game in during Nats action.... If you plan it, like apparently they did.... Then stuff like that makes the experience just that much better. I was digging their indoor volleyball action until security broke it up.... And the Armwrestling action was a nice touch.... They made their own fun.... Good Stuff!!!!!

St Louis as a whole has several things to do for adult & kids alike..... I've been to several hot spots like Vince mentioned above. As much as I wanted to get my kid to the zoo, Cardinal game or Six Flags, this weekend was set aside for the game every one of us love.... We're not ever going to get to goto Worlds, so this event is the MECA of what we play the game for. And even though this tourney had some snags with food hustle, cramped middle aisles, terrible opening hands for yours truly -- It still was time well spent with my kid and with my USA-wide friends that made the weekend what I look forward to every year. AND IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT!!!

Bottom Line --- Go ahead and put Poke Nats 2010 in your freaking backyard??? They'll be 2000+ lined up ready to ring your doorbell next year!!! Keep moving it around and the new locations will encounter the same things until they've experienced it.... Give PUI and STL, now that they've seen it, done it --- a chance to make it the Elite tournament that you crave....
 
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I found the experience in St. Louis to be superior overall. I prefer not to pay $100 for my son and I to enter a site to play a free game.
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My sentiments... exactly.

I guess the younger crowd that doesn't have to worry about porting an ENTIRE FAMILY into the event hasn't considered that aspect.

Pokemon IS a family game afterall. Families get punished for attending origins.
 
This is EXTREMELY silly. There is and always be people who complain for the sake of complaining. I will admit te food selection in St. Louis sucked. Everything else was great.

I would think the best place for Nationals would be in the midwest where it always is.

Kansas City should be the next stop for Nationals. There are MANY convention centers there. So many things to do. Fast food everywhere you look. Loads of free things to do like St. Louis. Point is, Origins will never happen again. Paying 60 bucks to play in a the toughest tournament in the world is silly. Origins was a complete fail because it ruined the game area. No one knew what the officials were saying when there were mics on all 4 corners of the building.

Plus...I consider Pokemon a figure friendly game and a healthy game. Origins was filled with the definition of nerd there. It smelled of Beef and Cheese and looked like I was walking in a trash can.
 
to state that St. Louis is not a family friendly destination is the height of ignorance.

Vince

Vince, I appreciate your love of your home town.

But St. Louis is about as much of a vacation destination as Cincinnati, Milwaukee, and Kansas City. They all have things to do, but people aren't flocking there in the Summer.

But I suspect Nationals will be back in St. Louis next year, so it's all going to be irrelevant.


>>>Origins [...] smelled of Beef and Cheese

That made me laugh.
 
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