Return of Ninken Ex-on

[SuperWooper]

Hey Kyogre. Show me where I said "all decks are pitiful compared to the one I'm making". I'm pretty sure I didn't say that.

As for WalREIGN vs. NiNiKeN Ex-on, I'm pretty sure WalREIGN would win, but hey, I have type advantage, and TA Walrein isn't an ex, so the deck can get around that.

Niniken's strength is in doing unlimited damage. Ninetales ex can not do unlimited damage, so I think that the concept is a little hard to understand.

Kyogre, what you and I see as flaming are different. I'm not flaming...yet. I'm going to try not to stoop to that level, because I'd rather criticize with facts and playtesting results rather than the speculations Dark Sneasel has made about "how my deck works". I'd like to see the deck in action is all, before I believe anything. I had to playtest WalREIGN a lot too before I got it to the point it's at now.

Flaming? Not even close.

 

[Cyrus]

Wow, a lot of flaming going on here. I see this may get locked. For one thing there is no reason to call someone a fool is there =-->]-[0t (V)uSt|d<--=? And saying that if Dark Sneasle loses to you in a AIM battle and calls you a cheater is rude too. Also do you really have to keep going on and on about this so called "Secret Deck" of yours that you are sure will beat everyone no matter what? You know not every cares that much. Whatever happened to enjoying this game and playing what you would like to. Show some support and help someone out. If we think it will be good then fine lets us think that and we will prove ourselves wrong. Or we maybe right, who knows. Just don't go off and say, "ha ha all decks are pitiful compared to this new deck I'M making!"

Haha, it's not his secret deck. It's mine. Pure-brand Patriarch
It can't beat everything, for sure. But, it is solid beatdown. 'Nuf said.

As for the topic, chill down guys. On one hand, I see it working, and doing well. However, let's face it: this deck would be massacred by water. In my BaD MoM, I'd just send Blastex to do just about everything for me. OHKO this, OHKO that. It would be sickening.

For this reason, if you choose to stick with new-age Niniken, play some sort of water-resistant/lightning backup. Unfortunately, NiniRay wouldn't be very consistent ;x

Good luck with the deck!
~Patriarch

 

[SuperWooper]

Pokemon: 28
4 Torchic (Dragon)
2 Combusken (Flare)
3 Blaziken (Firestarter)
2 Blaziken ex
4 Dunsparce (Sandstorm)
2 Skitty (Sandstorm)
2 Delcatty (Energy Draw)
4 Vulpix(Hidden Legends)
3 Ninetales (Flash fire
2 Ninetales Ex

Energy: 16
16 Fire


Trainers: 16
4 Professor Oak's Research
4 TV Reporter/Stevens Advice
4 Rare Candy
2 High Pressure System
2 Warp Point

60 cards...check! Moving on...

Pokemon: *Whistles* That's a lot of monstahs ya got there...slim it down some, shall we?

Make the Ninetales line 4/2/2 instead. It might not seem like the best idea, but we need more space. 27 pokemon is still a lot...but we can't really afford to drop anything else without losing focus.

Energy: Good I suppose. You might want to drop one.

Trainers: Room for 17. First we need to straighten out your drawing engine. 4 Reporter, 3 POR, and 3 Nishiki's Network should work well. Then add 4 Candy, 2 Warp Point and an HPS in to make 17. The new list:

Pokemon: 27
4 Sparce
4 Torchic
2 Busken
3 Blaziken
2 Blex
2 Skitty
2 Catty
4 Vulpix
2 Flash Fire Tales
2 Tales EX

Energy: 16
16 R

Trainers: 17
4 TVR
3 POR
3 NN
4 Candy
2 Warp Point
1 HPS

This is assuming SATMR is translated so that it only works on fighting types.

Alternate tEChage fix:

Pokemon: 25
4 Sparce
4 Torchic
2 Busken
3 Blaziken
2 Blex
2 Skitty
2 Catty
2 Vulpix
2 Flash Fire Tales
1 Ninetales ex
1 Rayquaza ex

Energy: 16
14 Fire
2 Multi

Trainers: 19
4 TVR
4 POR
3 NN
4 Candy
2 Warp Point
1 Switch
1 HPS (You need a counter gym in RSon)

 

[MP Khym]

Suppose to be a "deck help" thread

OK guys, this section of the 'Gym is titled "Deck Help and Strategy". The author even said:

All help is appreciated

This deck might or might not be able to evolve during the 1st turn of the game but which deck can anyways? I don't think that it can evolve during the 1st turn but the question has already been raised and answered without the need for name calling.

This deck may not do more than 100 damage but even with any Blaze deck, if you won't be able to do a KO that turn, it's better to use Blaze and do the 10 damage to the bench. You might even end up doing this a couple of times which makes the high HP bench vulnerable to a 100 damage attack during the following turns.

If you decide to post a reply on these type of threads, it would go a long way if you try to help out without being too critical or rude about it. This section is intended to be a helping tool for each other, not a way for you to say that this deck or that deck can beat what has been posted. FYI, Kyogre wasn't attacking anybody. He was just asking people to play nice.

 

[SuperWooper]

In case you didn't notice, I just helped by fixing the deck. There are some flaws which I think will make the deck not completely viable. Blaziken's strength is in powering up attackers with mass energy so they can do unlimited damage. Examples:

Blazeggs
NiNiKeN
BAR
RAMBO
Blazequazza

Exeggutor, Rayquaza and Tales all do unlimited damage. That's Blaziken's function, much as is Blastoise's. The point is, the deck isn't powerful enough to be considered strong, and isn't fast enough to be considered a threat. It's somewhere in the middle, and a great rogue deck, but will it be an archetype? Most likely not. The problem with these types of decks is you can't post tourney results, but YOU CAN POST PLAYTESTING. I never priase or criticize a deck until I've played it. So when I saw this deck, I tested it out against WalREIGN. It couldn't keep up, type difference aside.

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Decks in the RSon format will be either based on incredible damage or incredible speed. Example:

RAMBO: Rayquaza does unlimited damage through the help of Blaziken's power, and types are evenly distributed as Blaziken is weak to water and Ray resists it, and Manectric does a good amount to Blastoise ex.

WalREIGN and other Blastoise variants: Unlimited damage, again. Suicune ex, TA Walrein and Magneton all do huge amounts of damage through Stoise's power, and they're helped by Milotic's versitility.

Metagross ex: Ssecond turn Drag Off 40. Strength Charm OHKO's Torchic, OHKO's Mudkip, OHKO's Skitty, OHKO's Wynaut, OHKO's Ralts, the list will go on. It's speed is unparalled.

Ampharos ex: This deck is "damaging" in a non-"damage" meaning: it's "damaging" to Blastoise ex decks. It's power makes it difficult to attach too many energy at one time, making 'Rein or 'Ton's attacks weak and underpowered while being overcosted. Milotic may help, but Amphy will come out on top.

Patriarch's secret deck: This may be the fastest, most deadly deck in the FORMAT! Turn two it will be doing a lot of damage, and it's ability to swarm is CRAZY. Destroys Metagross, Blastoise and Ampharos, has a little trouble with Blazy. This combines speed and power, and does it well.

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This deck might be fast, but it's strength is little, and so it can't maximize on it's speed. You need to find a creative solution to this by either making the deck even faster, or by adding something fitting the theme and able to do big damage. Straight Blaziken ex with Flash Fire tECh is something to consider...I'll look into it.

MP Khym, contrary to your thoughts, I'm not "flaming" or "not being nice". I'm pointing out the deck's flaws, and trying to restructure it. I've provided a fix, I've tried to help the deck along. I think it could be a good rogue, but not archetype material.

 

[Pokemon Lord]

What a helpful person!

In case you didn't notice, I just helped by fixing the deck....... I never priase or criticize a deck until I've played it........
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.......I'm not "flaming" or "not being nice". I'm pointing out the deck's flaws, and trying to restructure it. I've provided a fix, I've tried to help the deck along.......

I agree, you're just misunderstood. Surely everyone can see that you're an epitome of charity, a pure embodiment of kindness, the personification of philanthropy.......should I continue?

:clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:​

 

[Pablo]

Wooper, youre telling me in less than 24 hours, you tried the deck, playtested enough to see al the flaws and come up with the best list? definately NOT, I think many agree with me that youre 'future' views and stuff do get quite annoying, Patriarch's secret deck (no pun intended Patriarch), man just cut it out already, I for one am fed up of you always bringing that deck up, claiming its one of the decks to beat in RSon, and your super WalREIGN idea that you STOLE literally from me but I wont get into that, plus it is an obvious combo, so you shouldnt get any credit AT ALL for WalREIGN, think of a combo like BAR where no one saw it coming and then you can claim all the credit you want. So please take all your ideas for the future and keep them quiet, or share them to the people who are interested, this deck wasnt even based on the RSon format, it is playable right when HL comes out, and THAT was DarkSneasels intention, and you HAd to come up and say how WalREIGN pwns and stuff and that you know everything about the RSon format, just cut it out, leave this thread, and go to your WalREIGN thread, let the people who want to help him help him, no need to rant away about your deck, and like I said, less than 24 hours and you know everything about this deck, yeah right.........

 

[Dark Sneasel]

I apreciate that coment very much mudkip, I ways thinking of a deck people could play at worlds and such,, hes thinking about months and months away.
All help is apreciated

 

[SuperWooper]

Wooper, youre telling me in less than 24 hours, you tried the deck, playtested enough to see al the flaws and come up with the best list? definately NOT, I think many agree with me that youre 'future' views and stuff do get quite annoying, Patriarch's secret deck (no pun intended Patriarch), man just cut it out already, I for one am fed up of you always bringing that deck up, claiming its one of the decks to beat in RSon, and your super WalREIGN idea that you STOLE literally from me but I wont get into that, plus it is an obvious combo, so you shouldnt get any credit AT ALL for WalREIGN, think of a combo like BAR where no one saw it coming and then you can claim all the credit you want. So please take all your ideas for the future and keep them quiet, or share them to the people who are interested, this deck wasnt even based on the RSon format, it is playable right when HL comes out, and THAT was DarkSneasels intention, and you HAd to come up and say how WalREIGN pwns and stuff and that you know everything about the RSon format, just cut it out, leave this thread, and go to your WalREIGN thread, let the people who want to help him help him, no need to rant away about your deck, and like I said, less than 24 hours and you know everything about this deck, yeah right.........

In regards to your first comment, I didn't say anywhere that the decklist I made was perfect. I said it'd probably run either faster or smoother.

My future 'views' get annoying? You don't need to read them. When you see that little Venusaur/Wooper/Slaking/Whiscash/other avatars I've had in the past, you can just scroll right by them. I'm not even sure I want you to read them anymore if you'll just shoot them down.

I stole WalREIGN from you? No, I didn't. Patriarch and I came up with the idea together, and when I told you about it, you helped a lot. I respected that and gave you credit on the post. You suggested Brineys and gave other useful hints.

I shouldn't get any credit at all? I think that's going a little far. We'll duke this out on Neo when the sets are released, eh? ^_~

I was looking past Eon and into Exon. Dark Sneasel, NiNiKeN EXon is the title of your post, so I naturally assumed your deck was for EXon. I think this a logical assumption, so you can not criticize me on that one.

Less than 24 hours? Sure, I could do that. You know as well as anybody I've looked way ahead, even considering HL as part of Eon at one point. I don't think this deck will really compete with Blaziken or Swampert, but my have a shot against Gardevoir.

I didn't say my list was perfect. I said it will help out, and I believe it will.

Dark Sneasel, the title of your post is Niniken Exon, so my assumption was valid that the deck would be for the format EXon. Kindly change the title, and I won't bring up WalREIGN again, and thank you in advance.

Dark Sneasel, I also thought you appreciated helpful comments. Mudkip's comment wasn't helping your deck at all, so I don't see why you "appreciated" that. Was it because he was running to your aid after I had pointed out a flaw in the deck? If so, then change your statement about "helpful" comments to include "dissing of SuperWooper".

Thank you.

 

[Physics Squirrel]

Wooper, youre telling me in less than 24 hours, you tried the deck, playtested enough to see al the flaws and come up with the best list? definately NOT, I think many agree with me that youre 'future' views and stuff do get quite annoying, Patriarch's secret deck (no pun intended Patriarch), man just cut it out already, I for one am fed up of you always bringing that deck up, claiming its one of the decks to beat in RSon, and your super WalREIGN idea that you STOLE literally from me but I wont get into that, plus it is an obvious combo, so you shouldnt get any credit AT ALL for WalREIGN

Just because someone has deckmaking skill and/or experience that you don't understand is no reason to whine. Do sense a hint of jealousy?

think of a combo like BAR where no one saw it coming and then you can claim all the credit you want.

No one saw it coming? ROFLMBO!! Walrein was a bit obvious, but you shouldn't be taking the credit.

So please take all your ideas for the future and keep them quiet, or share them to the people who are interested, this deck wasnt even based on the RSon format, it is playable right when HL comes out, and THAT was DarkSneasels intention, and you HAd to come up and say how WalREIGN pwns and stuff and that you know everything about the RSon format, just cut it out, leave this thread, and go to your WalREIGN thread, let the people who want to help him help him, no need to rant away about your deck, and like I said, less than 24 hours and you know everything about this deck, yeah right.........

Why is talking about future decks any different from talking about current decks. The only difference is the presence of english cards. What is your problem with that?

this deck wasnt even based on the RSon format

Ummm... Would you like to take a look at the title of the deck? EX-on

 

[Prime]

Ever thought about using Magcargo EX instead of Ninetails when the modified changes?

 

[SuperWooper]

Ever thought about using Magcargo EX instead of Ninetails when the modified changes?

One problem with Magcargo EX is that its retreat is very high so it can't abuse HPS, and it's an EX, so it's not very swarmable. 100 HP for an EX really isn't all that good, ESPECIALLY if you're a stage one. In EXon, the only Blaziken deck I really see thriving is Rayquaza and maybe tEChed Tric 1-1 in there.

About Niniken...I think maybe it could be revived for Eon. This is a little off subject since the title of the thread is NINKEN EX-ON, but tEChing in 1 or 2 Flash Fire Ninetales in Niniken could make a difference in the mirror between 'Tales and 'Quaza...or maybe Tales EX in a copy of 1....must think about this......

Wooper