Skyla

[RetiredRocketZapdos6669]

i think 2 should be the max this is ran in. Being able to search for game winning card is good, but i will not use this over a draw supporter as this is no comp search.

 

[Otaku]

Unless the deck absolutely must use a draw Supporter every turn, I don't really see why people wouldn't max out on Skyla.

The general perception of the format is that most players/decks need to use a draw supporter most turns. Not quite dropping one every turn, but usually most turns. That is why I do not believe Skyla will be a "four of" card for most decks. What good is searching out a Rare Candy when I still need the Stage 2 Pokémon and an Energy to attach? Many decks use two or three cards per turn, which means the normal draw phase won't sustain them.

Decks that rely on a key Trainer or have another source of draw power are where maxing out Skyla will make sense... unless Bicycle is as potent as I once feared. If maxing out Bicycle and Skyla allows for maintaining a good hand size throughout the game and devastating precision searches, then clearly my old fears were right but my current analysis is wrong. :lol:

It is basically Computer Search as a Supporter, with the bonus of not discarding 2 cards if you just search for a Trainer.

"Basically" isn't the same thing as "is". I used Computer Search for years (I started playing when the game was new to North America). While it can be close, it just isn't the same thing. You are correct about saving the discard cost some of the time, but let me highlight what I believe you are overlooking: you're describing a combo, not a single card action.

First, you can't ever search out a Special Energy card; trust me there were many times when one would be using Computer Search for a Double Colorless Energy, Rainbow Energy, or Recycle Energy back in the day. Second, you need to be running an Item that searches out what it is you're looking for... which isn't a terrible constraint for Pokémon, but requires running Energy Search for Basic Energy.

Now searching out a basic Energy card isn't a huge deal, but when you use Skyla for Ultra Ball to get any Pokémon of your choice, you've burned an extra card from your deck by the end, and that matters a lot with the third point (really more an aspect of point two): finding out the intermediary search card you need isn't available.

I understand people are hesitant to not use their draw Supporters, but I can bet you at least half of the time, you'd rather A) Add any 1 card from your deck to your hand, as opposed to B) Lose your cards in-hand and draw 6-7 cards. At least that's how I feel during a game.

For the sake of argument, let me grant your premise you just gave. That means up to half the time players would want to use their draw Supporter. That is a whole lot!

Personally, I think you're overestimating; it happens far to often, but it is far less than half the time that I am "forced" to discard cards I'd rather keep with Professor Juniper, and even less common when I am forced to shuffle away something I really wanted to keep with N. Plus Colress in the next set will solve these as well, so while they are concerns, going with a full four Skyla seems awfully risky while going with two seems almost perfect.

In defense of the Toolbox...

Don't worry, I was citing some very specific formats, and as stated Skyla won't create one (unless maybe they reprint Vs. Seeker). It has come up in other recent discussions here and on other message boards, and I didn't want to go into details because most of these formats have had adherents, and as stated in the best case scenario, it messed up what you might think of as the "skill ratios".

 

[thepliskin5005]

Well you will a lot of decks have this card. It has a lot of potential. Like if you have any four of a trainer card i would recommend takeing out one and putting a skyla in.

 

[Otaku]

Depends on the Trainer, I think. Keep in mind, I've been trying some build suggestions someone else made to me, so for example I am relying more on Random Receiver than I used to; I can't really see cutting any more Supporters. Most of my Items that are run in a four count... may not be? I think I tend to favor threes.

Now, the decks where I am most likely to use Skyla are where I have multiple pieces of TecH, or at least less than three copies of a "clutch" Item. I am thinking most of my decks that run Sableye will love Skyla, and that is where four copies of Skyla will do me a world of good.

That and Empoleon decks; already have draw power, so search is what I need!

 

[Aron Figaro]

Decks not running Random Receiver will love Skyla as a utility card. I can definitely see Empoleon running 11-12 draw and 3-4 Skyla and doing very well; in fact, it may be just what the deck needs. Remember that with Computer Search, Skyla is effectively a universal tutor - admittedly at a very high cost. For decks running Sableye, Skyla may be worthwhile JUST to get your Computer Search out and into the discard early, so you can recur it for as many tutors as you need.

Will this, combined with Emolga to get Deinos, give hydreigon the turn 2 setup consistency it needs to dominate in a format with Landorus EX?

 

[poketoker1991]

question about skyla

I was in a battle with my roommate earlier and he used a Skyla and he used it to search for the supporter Cheren, and i told him that he cant search for a supporter with Skyla and he argued with me that it says trainer at the top so that makes it a trainer card, i know im right that you cant, i just need some backup. ive tried to tell him that before supporters even existed it was trainers and since then its split into a few subcategories like items, technical machines, supporters, stadiums but he still wont listen.

 

[steelchamp4]

I was in a battle with my roommate earlier and he used a Skyla and he used it to search for the supporter Cheren, and i told him that he cant search for a supporter with Skyla and he argued with me that it says trainer at the top so that makes it a trainer card, i know im right that you cant, i just need some backup. ive tried to tell him that before supporters even existed it was trainers and since then its split into a few subcategories like items, technical machines, supporters, stadiums but he still wont listen.

You actually can because it says trainer at the top. that makes supporters searchable with Skyla.

 

[psychup2034]

I was in a battle with my roommate earlier and he used a Skyla and he used it to search for the supporter Cheren, and i told him that he cant search for a supporter with Skyla and he argued with me that it says trainer at the top so that makes it a trainer card, i know im right that you cant, i just need some backup. ive tried to tell him that before supporters even existed it was trainers and since then its split into a few subcategories like items, technical machines, supporters, stadiums but he still wont listen.

Unfortunately, your roommate is right. You can search for Trainer - Item, Trainer - Supporter, and Trainer - Stadium cards with Skyla.

You are right that in the past, there was only one classification of "Trainer" cards as trainers. You are also right that Trainers have since been split into the subcategories of items, supporters, and stadiums. However, items, supporters, and stadiums are all Trainers, so they can all be searched using Skyla.

 

[poketoker1991]

Thanks for clarification on skyla

Ok thanks that's a help, I stopped playing for like a year right about when black and white came out then I just picked it up again a month or so ago I didn't know about the rule change, my roommates lucky he just started and didn't know about the old rules about them, I have skylas in my deck but never used them for getting supporters ill be keeping them in my decks for now, and I guess I'll have to look into new rule changes more often