Absoltrainer
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**This started out as a reply to the “Werewolf Metagame Analysis” thread, but it became much more. I made this public NOT for the purpose of flaming or attacking either side, but for the purpose of addressing issues, and coming to a solution. I chose to post this publically so that other can contribute. Mods, I ask you that you leave this open as long as it is kept civil. Delete posts and punish those who cannot post here in an adult and mature manner, but do not remove this thread or punish those who are trying to address the issue in an adult manner. There is an unnecessary tension, and continuous struggle between the mods and the members. That should not be and it is unhealthy for the site. **
**This part was written when this was just a response not it’s own thread**
Ok, this needs to be said. I want and encourage mods to respond honestly and truly to this post. This is very relevant to the thread and is not off-topic, so there is no reason for it to be a problem. This post and everything in is written in my honest opinion. I respect the mods and admins on this site, and they authority they have, and ask that they respect my right to speak freely so well as it is in an adult and mature manner. That is how this post is intended to be. If I offend or insult any mod in the course of this post, I do apologize, as it is unintentional.
First I want to be clear. These are my words, my opinions, and my thoughts. They do not represent, reflect, or are affiliated with the views or thoughts of Ikirt. Nor does this post represent anyone affiliated with Pokegym Werewolf games other then myself. I want to be very clear on that.
The game is on another site because the game is 100% anonymous so to remove the “metagame” problem that this entire thread is about, from this game and to compare it to previous games when completed. Pokegym’s TOS does not allow 20+ people to make sock-puppet accounts to play a game of WW. Pokegym players wanted to play an anon game. This was the way to do it. Every player is a gym member, and only gym members were invited. The forum is a private forum and the only members on the site are Ikirt, the sock-puppets the players are using, and a few people who help run Werewolf games with the gym. The site itself is kept PG and players are expected to post no different then they would on here. Furthermore, the TOS of Pokegym….wait I need to put this quote first, the quote that was used to close the WW XVII sign up thread
Rules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ,11 and 12 were not broken. I guess I’m breaking 12 right now because I am complaining, not about the list, but rather the hypocritical nature in which it is enforced.
You might say that rule 8 was broken. This is not true. Just as links in signatures are allowed (assuming they are PG), PMing links is also allowed. According to the TOS, the only thing not allowed is “posting: links offsite. I have a problem with this rule because links to off-site websites are posted ALL THE TIME. So what it should say is posting links are not allowed unless that site is Pokebeach, Japanese Pokemon sites, Bulbapedia, Wikipedia, all the Photobucket, and imageshack links, the many many news articles, IGN Joystik and a ton of other videogame sites…oh an Youtube, which has some of the most foul language and inappropriate content I’ve ever seen. Ikrit PM’d users the link to the game. That is 100% in the TOS, and is the same has having a link in his signature, especially since he was more then willing to send links to any moderator, or member who wanted to watch the game.
Next, the “normal manner” is by going through a few specific members who organize who is running and modding WW games and in what order. It was decided on and agreed upon that this game would be anonymous, but in order to keep it a “gym” game, it would be restricted to ONLY Pokegym members. In order to so an anonymous game without breaking TOS, it had to be done off-site, in this case on a privately owned forum, a forum that is kept to the same standards as Pokegym. So if a person were to start an XVII on here, he would not only be cutting in line in front of several people (4 or 5 I believe who have been waiting several months [even as much as a year]), but infringing on a spot that a member waited in line for, for several games. Werewolf is not owned by Pokegym. The members who host Werewolf games here do so because we love the Pokegym community and want to keep them involved. This one was hosted off-site to comply with the Pokegym TOS, to do something unique and special that we cannot do on the gym I can guarantee to you that moving off the gym has come up in conversation in the past. It has always, always been shot down, because that would mean leaving the players and participants that has made Pokegym Werewolf as unique and special as it is. Despite what you have said BJJ763, the game has not been cancelled. It is still going on, and every gym member (all of the players are gym members, including several Pokegym Mods I might add) who is a part of it are enjoying it.
Do not punish Ikrit for this either, if you want to punish anyone, you can punish me because I 100% encouraged him to continue with the game and ignore your post, although I have broken no rules in doing so. You do no have the authority to cancel a game that is not being held on this site, nor do you have the authority to just tell other members to go start games as they please. As I pointed out, some players have been on the waiting list for over a year. I would also like to address the issue of respect. Did either you or Evil Psyduck look at the off-site game before you jumped down Ikrit’s throat? You would have seen that it is a private forum populated by 100% gym members who’s only purpose in being there is to play a game being HOSTED by Pokegym. Did you notice that ANOTHER mod asked to play in the same thread? I respect the authority of the mods on this site, but I do not respect poor leadership. The facts were not investigated, and, it is clear, based on the fact that a different mod posted his desire to join the game that a consensus had not been reached on the issue. Actually I need to back up and acknowledge that Evil Psyduck was asking questions and intending to find out more, and did not simply lock the thread and declare the game cancelled and declare that if anyone wants to start another game they could. That was disrespectful in my opinion. Ikrit is not a little kid, and he is a not a problem poster on these forums. He is a well respected member of this community, and no matter what position in the chain of command you have, you should treat those below you with respect. It will go both ways, respect the members, and they respect the mods. I want to again state. I am not posting this post to insult, attack or degrade the mods. I am posting it to address an issue regarding respect, and leadership. Now, I’m dumping a lot on the mods, but Ikrit is not completely innocent either. He did not explain his intentions or plan to mods, and thus they were uninformed when the thread was posted. Both sides are to blame, but the way it was handled by was not appropriate.
**At this point I added the notes about this ended up becoming it’s own thread on a very relevant issue**
A lot of people complain about the moderation on this site. A lot of it is sour grapes because said person wants to break rule and got punished, but there is some merit to some of it, and it needs to be addressed.
1.) Respect: This is a big one. Respect is earned not a right. The majority of members on the gym and in the Pokemon Community do not respect a good portion of the mods on this site. This is not a secret issue either, there have been sites set up purely because of issues with mods on Pokegym. Plenty of good players have been driven away from Pokegym because of it and the mods get a lot of flame posts and threads made about them. I’m honestly not surprised that some of the mods do not have much respect or patience for members either. Here’s the problem though. Mods, you are the superiors, you are mods because you were chosen and trusted with the authority. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or had a mod apologize to me for when I was unfairly given infraction or taken action against. That’s part of the issue. Some of the mods on here seem to act entitled to respect. One mod I truly respect if Rogue Archtype (is he still around?) When he became a mod, he caused a lot of people a lot of grief, a thread on other site was made about him. What did he do? He went to that site, he talked it out with the players, he acknowledged times that he over-reacted or acted rashly or appropriately, and to no surprise, the players began to do the same. They stopped going out of their way to get RA’s nerves because they respect him. Flaunting your power and treating members like children is not a way to earn respect. Another issues is mods unlocking locked threads, just to get the last word in. There are times this is nesassary to explain why a thread was locked or something. Other times it is done simply for the sake of arguing, which is rule 3. I want to respect the mods on here, but it’s hard. Sometimes. Mods, this solid and honest advice coming from a member of the Army, an admin of a couple of sites, and a mod of others, including one that has a majority population of 12-15 year olds. You guys need to take the first step. Some of the mods need to understand this. Respect is not a right, it’ a privilege. Earn our respect and we will give it to you.
2.) Setting the example: This is something I’ve addressed before, and goes in hand with the respect ideal. Set an example. Some of the mods will blatantly break the very rules they enforce, specifically rules 2, 3, 5, and 9. The mods are human they aren’t perfect, but this happens much more often then it should. If the mods set an amazing example, the members will respect them that much more. Now I’m going to address a very specific example of a mod that really breaks this tenet. I won’t say names, but there is a mod who posts on another Pokemon forum under a different name, despite being known his identity. He flames others, posts rudely, spams, disrespects, and takes the attitude that what he does off the gym doesn’t matter. It does, it really does, and I have so little respect for this mod, as do many others. What you do off the gym reflects the gym and it reflects you.
3.) Escalation. This is probably a bi-product of the tension and struggle between the mods and the members, but I see mods jump up the escalation scale a lot. A situation that could be resolved with a gentle, and helpful post, or PM is responded to with sarcasm, punishment, or other higher disciple. Some of the mods need to tone it down a bit. You can be strict, and enforce rules without being a jerk. I’ll use the minecraft server I am a mod on as an example. New members join everyday. My job is to help the ones that know nothing and help guide and remind the ones I know aren’t reading the instruction signs or rules. There some rules that if broken are an instant ban, but those are serious offenses, I always warn people first, then take action with repeated offenses. I enforce the rules very strictly, and when people break repeatedly or on purpose, escalate appropriately and can become very mean, and spiteful…but by that time they are either doing it on purpose, or on their third offense. It is amazing what a simple “don’t do that, it’s against the rules *quote rules* will do. Now I know about the “warning” system that comes before the infraction system. The problem is that more often then not, the mod who issues the warning is not applying 1 and 2 (above) and thus the warning is not only not respected, but taken personally. People aren’t supposed to be upset at warnings. That’s the idea, they are telling the person that they are not in trouble, but they are breaking a rule. Now some people will be offended by warnings, but when a majority are, there is a problem, and it goes back up to respect.
4.) Consistency. This is another big one that needs, and I really mean needs to be addressed. There is a huge lack of consistency on the gym regarding the enforcement of rules and punishments. First of all, some of the mods are letting their emotions and biases influence their punishments. I’ve seen it happen, a lot. Next is different mods having different views on the same situation and with over-lapping jurisdiction, causes things to bee punished that were previously allowed, or previously punished things to be allowed. The Werewolf thread is an ideal, ideal example.
Mod 1: is trying to get information from the OP on what the specifics of the game are
Mod 2: is asking to join the game
Mod 3: locks the thread, and declares the game cancelled because it’s linked off-site, although doesn’t break the TOS (as I stated in the beginning).
I’ll use Rule 8 as my example. There is no way to tell if a link is allowed or not.
HT and “German Koffing” are not allowed because they are links off-site (rule 8) and also (rule 4) content above PG rating. But wait, what about Youtube. Look at the comment section of a video about a puppy sneezing and you’ll find PG-13, R, NC-17, and probably even X rated comments. Yet Youtube is allowed. What about Pokebeach, various news websites, and videogame news websites. Those all technically break rule 8, and yet most of them are allowed unless a mod determines there is a good reason not to let it stay posted. What was the reason that Ikrit’s link that he did not post, but PM to people was not allowed? It has PG-content, and was PM’d not posted. It was not hidden from the mod, in fact several mods are playing. There needs to be consistency. If Mods are playing in the game and determine it to be safe, then having other mods close the thread and declare the game cancelled shows a lack of communication and consistency
It probably seems like I’m ragging a lot on the mods here, and I’ll be honest I am. I am not however posting this to flame or express my hatred of the mods or Pokegym policies. I am posting this to attempt to bring a peace between the members and the mods. Mods, surely you must notice the tension and seemingly constant struggle against the members on the gym. I’m not asking you to not enforce rules. I’m not asking you not to punish people, or let us do what we want. I’m asking you to act like the leaders that PokePop, Bulbasnore, and BDS have trusted you to be. The mods should be as respected as the admins are on this site, and the Admins are hugely respected. Everything I have said is stuff I have learned from hands on experience with either online forums, or real-life in the Army. Leadership is an art. It is the art of getting someone to do something not because you tell them too, but because they want to. People should be obeying the rules not to avoid punishment, but because they want to keep Pokegym a friendly fun place with active discussion. Once again, nothing I said here was meant to be personal. If I offended any particular mod, please tell me, explain what I said that offended you and why. If you think I am wrong tell me, explain it to me, don’t take anything I said personally, I’m not trying to make you defensive. I legitimately want to make this a discussion between players and mods. That is why I respectfully ask that this thread stay open and public as long as it can remain civil. A lot can be accomplished in a simple sit-down.
I AM NOT ENCOURAGING INSULTING, FLAMING, OR DEAMINING of mods or members. If you are not adult enough to post here in a mature manner, or are attempting to start a fight that serves no purpose other then to incite conflict, do not post. If you are simply going to complain with no reasoning, or effort to explain how said issue can be fixed, do not post. I fully encourage anyone who is not adult enough to be civil here to have their post deleted and be infracted. Mods, you are going to have to trust the members to keep this civil.
Everyone wants the same thing, respect. I’m sure the mods don’t enjoy seeing threads devoted to them and people posting about how much they hate ‘x' and the memebers don't like feeling like they are being treated unjustly
-EDIT: ADDED-: I am not a problem poster, the members and mods of Pokegym know this. I've barely had even 20 infractions total since I joined in 2006 and have never been banned. I am not posting this to try and incite a fight or attack anyone. Everything I said above is not an issue with every mod, or even with a particular mod all the time, it is just a general analysis of events and situations that occur as a whole. Nothing I said above is meant to be personal, I cannot stress that enough. This thread is an attempt to sit-down discuss the issues and come to a solution that makes everyone better off. That is my intent.
**This part was written when this was just a response not it’s own thread**
Ok, this needs to be said. I want and encourage mods to respond honestly and truly to this post. This is very relevant to the thread and is not off-topic, so there is no reason for it to be a problem. This post and everything in is written in my honest opinion. I respect the mods and admins on this site, and they authority they have, and ask that they respect my right to speak freely so well as it is in an adult and mature manner. That is how this post is intended to be. If I offend or insult any mod in the course of this post, I do apologize, as it is unintentional.
First I want to be clear. These are my words, my opinions, and my thoughts. They do not represent, reflect, or are affiliated with the views or thoughts of Ikirt. Nor does this post represent anyone affiliated with Pokegym Werewolf games other then myself. I want to be very clear on that.
The game is on another site because the game is 100% anonymous so to remove the “metagame” problem that this entire thread is about, from this game and to compare it to previous games when completed. Pokegym’s TOS does not allow 20+ people to make sock-puppet accounts to play a game of WW. Pokegym players wanted to play an anon game. This was the way to do it. Every player is a gym member, and only gym members were invited. The forum is a private forum and the only members on the site are Ikirt, the sock-puppets the players are using, and a few people who help run Werewolf games with the gym. The site itself is kept PG and players are expected to post no different then they would on here. Furthermore, the TOS of Pokegym….wait I need to put this quote first, the quote that was used to close the WW XVII sign up thread
BJJ763 said:
Rules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ,11 and 12 were not broken. I guess I’m breaking 12 right now because I am complaining, not about the list, but rather the hypocritical nature in which it is enforced.
You might say that rule 8 was broken. This is not true. Just as links in signatures are allowed (assuming they are PG), PMing links is also allowed. According to the TOS, the only thing not allowed is “posting: links offsite. I have a problem with this rule because links to off-site websites are posted ALL THE TIME. So what it should say is posting links are not allowed unless that site is Pokebeach, Japanese Pokemon sites, Bulbapedia, Wikipedia, all the Photobucket, and imageshack links, the many many news articles, IGN Joystik and a ton of other videogame sites…oh an Youtube, which has some of the most foul language and inappropriate content I’ve ever seen. Ikrit PM’d users the link to the game. That is 100% in the TOS, and is the same has having a link in his signature, especially since he was more then willing to send links to any moderator, or member who wanted to watch the game.
Next, the “normal manner” is by going through a few specific members who organize who is running and modding WW games and in what order. It was decided on and agreed upon that this game would be anonymous, but in order to keep it a “gym” game, it would be restricted to ONLY Pokegym members. In order to so an anonymous game without breaking TOS, it had to be done off-site, in this case on a privately owned forum, a forum that is kept to the same standards as Pokegym. So if a person were to start an XVII on here, he would not only be cutting in line in front of several people (4 or 5 I believe who have been waiting several months [even as much as a year]), but infringing on a spot that a member waited in line for, for several games. Werewolf is not owned by Pokegym. The members who host Werewolf games here do so because we love the Pokegym community and want to keep them involved. This one was hosted off-site to comply with the Pokegym TOS, to do something unique and special that we cannot do on the gym I can guarantee to you that moving off the gym has come up in conversation in the past. It has always, always been shot down, because that would mean leaving the players and participants that has made Pokegym Werewolf as unique and special as it is. Despite what you have said BJJ763, the game has not been cancelled. It is still going on, and every gym member (all of the players are gym members, including several Pokegym Mods I might add) who is a part of it are enjoying it.
Do not punish Ikrit for this either, if you want to punish anyone, you can punish me because I 100% encouraged him to continue with the game and ignore your post, although I have broken no rules in doing so. You do no have the authority to cancel a game that is not being held on this site, nor do you have the authority to just tell other members to go start games as they please. As I pointed out, some players have been on the waiting list for over a year. I would also like to address the issue of respect. Did either you or Evil Psyduck look at the off-site game before you jumped down Ikrit’s throat? You would have seen that it is a private forum populated by 100% gym members who’s only purpose in being there is to play a game being HOSTED by Pokegym. Did you notice that ANOTHER mod asked to play in the same thread? I respect the authority of the mods on this site, but I do not respect poor leadership. The facts were not investigated, and, it is clear, based on the fact that a different mod posted his desire to join the game that a consensus had not been reached on the issue. Actually I need to back up and acknowledge that Evil Psyduck was asking questions and intending to find out more, and did not simply lock the thread and declare the game cancelled and declare that if anyone wants to start another game they could. That was disrespectful in my opinion. Ikrit is not a little kid, and he is a not a problem poster on these forums. He is a well respected member of this community, and no matter what position in the chain of command you have, you should treat those below you with respect. It will go both ways, respect the members, and they respect the mods. I want to again state. I am not posting this post to insult, attack or degrade the mods. I am posting it to address an issue regarding respect, and leadership. Now, I’m dumping a lot on the mods, but Ikrit is not completely innocent either. He did not explain his intentions or plan to mods, and thus they were uninformed when the thread was posted. Both sides are to blame, but the way it was handled by was not appropriate.
**At this point I added the notes about this ended up becoming it’s own thread on a very relevant issue**
A lot of people complain about the moderation on this site. A lot of it is sour grapes because said person wants to break rule and got punished, but there is some merit to some of it, and it needs to be addressed.
1.) Respect: This is a big one. Respect is earned not a right. The majority of members on the gym and in the Pokemon Community do not respect a good portion of the mods on this site. This is not a secret issue either, there have been sites set up purely because of issues with mods on Pokegym. Plenty of good players have been driven away from Pokegym because of it and the mods get a lot of flame posts and threads made about them. I’m honestly not surprised that some of the mods do not have much respect or patience for members either. Here’s the problem though. Mods, you are the superiors, you are mods because you were chosen and trusted with the authority. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or had a mod apologize to me for when I was unfairly given infraction or taken action against. That’s part of the issue. Some of the mods on here seem to act entitled to respect. One mod I truly respect if Rogue Archtype (is he still around?) When he became a mod, he caused a lot of people a lot of grief, a thread on other site was made about him. What did he do? He went to that site, he talked it out with the players, he acknowledged times that he over-reacted or acted rashly or appropriately, and to no surprise, the players began to do the same. They stopped going out of their way to get RA’s nerves because they respect him. Flaunting your power and treating members like children is not a way to earn respect. Another issues is mods unlocking locked threads, just to get the last word in. There are times this is nesassary to explain why a thread was locked or something. Other times it is done simply for the sake of arguing, which is rule 3. I want to respect the mods on here, but it’s hard. Sometimes. Mods, this solid and honest advice coming from a member of the Army, an admin of a couple of sites, and a mod of others, including one that has a majority population of 12-15 year olds. You guys need to take the first step. Some of the mods need to understand this. Respect is not a right, it’ a privilege. Earn our respect and we will give it to you.
2.) Setting the example: This is something I’ve addressed before, and goes in hand with the respect ideal. Set an example. Some of the mods will blatantly break the very rules they enforce, specifically rules 2, 3, 5, and 9. The mods are human they aren’t perfect, but this happens much more often then it should. If the mods set an amazing example, the members will respect them that much more. Now I’m going to address a very specific example of a mod that really breaks this tenet. I won’t say names, but there is a mod who posts on another Pokemon forum under a different name, despite being known his identity. He flames others, posts rudely, spams, disrespects, and takes the attitude that what he does off the gym doesn’t matter. It does, it really does, and I have so little respect for this mod, as do many others. What you do off the gym reflects the gym and it reflects you.
3.) Escalation. This is probably a bi-product of the tension and struggle between the mods and the members, but I see mods jump up the escalation scale a lot. A situation that could be resolved with a gentle, and helpful post, or PM is responded to with sarcasm, punishment, or other higher disciple. Some of the mods need to tone it down a bit. You can be strict, and enforce rules without being a jerk. I’ll use the minecraft server I am a mod on as an example. New members join everyday. My job is to help the ones that know nothing and help guide and remind the ones I know aren’t reading the instruction signs or rules. There some rules that if broken are an instant ban, but those are serious offenses, I always warn people first, then take action with repeated offenses. I enforce the rules very strictly, and when people break repeatedly or on purpose, escalate appropriately and can become very mean, and spiteful…but by that time they are either doing it on purpose, or on their third offense. It is amazing what a simple “don’t do that, it’s against the rules *quote rules* will do. Now I know about the “warning” system that comes before the infraction system. The problem is that more often then not, the mod who issues the warning is not applying 1 and 2 (above) and thus the warning is not only not respected, but taken personally. People aren’t supposed to be upset at warnings. That’s the idea, they are telling the person that they are not in trouble, but they are breaking a rule. Now some people will be offended by warnings, but when a majority are, there is a problem, and it goes back up to respect.
4.) Consistency. This is another big one that needs, and I really mean needs to be addressed. There is a huge lack of consistency on the gym regarding the enforcement of rules and punishments. First of all, some of the mods are letting their emotions and biases influence their punishments. I’ve seen it happen, a lot. Next is different mods having different views on the same situation and with over-lapping jurisdiction, causes things to bee punished that were previously allowed, or previously punished things to be allowed. The Werewolf thread is an ideal, ideal example.
Mod 1: is trying to get information from the OP on what the specifics of the game are
Mod 2: is asking to join the game
Mod 3: locks the thread, and declares the game cancelled because it’s linked off-site, although doesn’t break the TOS (as I stated in the beginning).
I’ll use Rule 8 as my example. There is no way to tell if a link is allowed or not.
HT and “German Koffing” are not allowed because they are links off-site (rule 8) and also (rule 4) content above PG rating. But wait, what about Youtube. Look at the comment section of a video about a puppy sneezing and you’ll find PG-13, R, NC-17, and probably even X rated comments. Yet Youtube is allowed. What about Pokebeach, various news websites, and videogame news websites. Those all technically break rule 8, and yet most of them are allowed unless a mod determines there is a good reason not to let it stay posted. What was the reason that Ikrit’s link that he did not post, but PM to people was not allowed? It has PG-content, and was PM’d not posted. It was not hidden from the mod, in fact several mods are playing. There needs to be consistency. If Mods are playing in the game and determine it to be safe, then having other mods close the thread and declare the game cancelled shows a lack of communication and consistency
It probably seems like I’m ragging a lot on the mods here, and I’ll be honest I am. I am not however posting this to flame or express my hatred of the mods or Pokegym policies. I am posting this to attempt to bring a peace between the members and the mods. Mods, surely you must notice the tension and seemingly constant struggle against the members on the gym. I’m not asking you to not enforce rules. I’m not asking you not to punish people, or let us do what we want. I’m asking you to act like the leaders that PokePop, Bulbasnore, and BDS have trusted you to be. The mods should be as respected as the admins are on this site, and the Admins are hugely respected. Everything I have said is stuff I have learned from hands on experience with either online forums, or real-life in the Army. Leadership is an art. It is the art of getting someone to do something not because you tell them too, but because they want to. People should be obeying the rules not to avoid punishment, but because they want to keep Pokegym a friendly fun place with active discussion. Once again, nothing I said here was meant to be personal. If I offended any particular mod, please tell me, explain what I said that offended you and why. If you think I am wrong tell me, explain it to me, don’t take anything I said personally, I’m not trying to make you defensive. I legitimately want to make this a discussion between players and mods. That is why I respectfully ask that this thread stay open and public as long as it can remain civil. A lot can be accomplished in a simple sit-down.
I AM NOT ENCOURAGING INSULTING, FLAMING, OR DEAMINING of mods or members. If you are not adult enough to post here in a mature manner, or are attempting to start a fight that serves no purpose other then to incite conflict, do not post. If you are simply going to complain with no reasoning, or effort to explain how said issue can be fixed, do not post. I fully encourage anyone who is not adult enough to be civil here to have their post deleted and be infracted. Mods, you are going to have to trust the members to keep this civil.
Everyone wants the same thing, respect. I’m sure the mods don’t enjoy seeing threads devoted to them and people posting about how much they hate ‘x' and the memebers don't like feeling like they are being treated unjustly
-EDIT: ADDED-: I am not a problem poster, the members and mods of Pokegym know this. I've barely had even 20 infractions total since I joined in 2006 and have never been banned. I am not posting this to try and incite a fight or attack anyone. Everything I said above is not an issue with every mod, or even with a particular mod all the time, it is just a general analysis of events and situations that occur as a whole. Nothing I said above is meant to be personal, I cannot stress that enough. This thread is an attempt to sit-down discuss the issues and come to a solution that makes everyone better off. That is my intent.
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