SP after B/W?

[ShuckleLVX]

Considering my response was to someone talking about an RR-On format, lets break that down real fast.

"Lux X is what wins the gdos matchup for luxchomp". Luxchomp? Dead without Cyrus engine. Gdos? Dead without Gdos.

"It is also used to attack in plenty of other situations." Sure, in Luxchomp, a deck build around supporting it. Did it attack when it was teched into Jumpluff? Or Beedrill? Not often, if ever.

"Its is more easily searched for". Still takes two cards to search, and the ability to promote Luxray and level him up, which some decks can't always manage.

"It isn't affected by trainer lock." Only really solid statement thus far, but we will need to see how prevalent trainer lock really is. Vilegar as an offensive deck is dead without the SF 'gar, and Lostgar didn't do nearly as well as it's hype suggested. Will Vilemagius work? Will other decks want to abuse Vileplume, giving up their own gusts? We don't know any of this until we really get into the new format.

 

[Raen]

"It isn't affected by trainer lock." Only really solid statement thus far, but we will need to see how prevalent trainer lock really is. Vilegar as an offensive deck is dead without the SF 'gar, and Lostgar didn't do nearly as well as it's hype suggested. Will Vilemagius work? Will other decks want to abuse Vileplume, giving up their own gusts? We don't know any of this until we really get into the new format.

Don't forget about Gothitella (I think that's right. . . ). It locks your opponent's trainers, but not your own. With Spiritomb still in the format (assuming RR-on), it keeps it's Catchers, which is pretty nice.

 

[Naki Feralkin]

Shuckle: My whole argument for Luxray still being viable revolves around Trainer Lock. I'm well aware of GoW's existence and I will likely be using it, however Vileplume will likely still find a way to synergize with something to continue the trainer lock chain of decks.

As for Gothitella? No. It has to be in the active position to let its lock go out, and its attack is questionable at best.

 

[Raen]

Shuckle: My whole argument for Luxray still being viable revolves around Trainer Lock. I'm well aware of GoW's existence and I will likely be using it, however Vileplume will likely still find a way to synergize with something to continue the trainer lock chain of decks.

As for Gothitella? No. It has to be in the active position to let its lock go out, and its attack is questionable at best.

Gothitella should be out after 3 turns if built as a slow, trainer lock deck. Once Gothitella has 3 psychic energy on her, the attack is plenty good. Add a Shaymin in the mix, and right before Gothitella dies, you can move the energy over to another Gothitella to replace it.

Mark my words, Gothitella will be a threat in an RR-on format. Now, HGSS-on is a different story. No Spiritomb means Gothitella is no good.