Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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We did everything that we could. The judge staff for this tournament was a person who was predominately a YGO and WOW player/judge, a person who was almost exclusively a Pokemon player, and myself. The later two were recruited at the last minute when the original Judge staff didn't show up for the tournament. We had to deal with many (MANY) new players, 78 total players, and multiple events on site (VS pre-release at the same time). We dealt with every situation that we could, and everything that was brought to our attention by the players. However, with only 3 Judges for 75 players in a very large room, it's beyond difficult, almost impossible, to actively monitor every match in the tournament.

If you have a problem with this during a tournament, call a Judge over to your match. If they are a good Judge, they will be more than willing to watch your match for a few minutes and make a decision based on that. I was very impressed with Mr. Lucas for stepping up and handling the Masters division on short notice. He was designated as the Head Judge for the tournament, so appeals for all 3 divisions went through him. He did the best that he could with everything going on.

If you have a comment about how the tournament was being run, please use the Organized Play forms for reporting on events. They do check those, and they make the big decisions based on what they see on these forms.
 
Everyone gripes about stalling. Get Over It!!!!
stalling is a part of the game no matter what rules PUI or whoever will enforce. It will never stop, so deal with it. Only thing you can really do is get the judge over and ask him if he can give the other player a warning or watch the match. anyways, my view on stalling is that thet're just prolonging the inevidable, just think of it like that and you will win.:lol:
 
I agree with Bullados that the judges did everything they could. My indictment is not of the judges and not even the Niles tournament but of the players who do this and are poor sports in my opinion.

Vegeta, I will get over it. I'll play less tournaments and so will others. We can play casual Pokemon or other games. Although, I would prefer we find a decent solution rather than just say deal with it. Thank goodenss the founding fathers of the USA didn't just say deal with it.
 
so simply call a judge and ask for a time extension and state a reason. it was done against me, and we got the extension, me still winning of course... lol
 
Lordofflareons said:
call a judge and ask for a time extension and state a reason.
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This works in the case where 1) its a repeated instance and the person just won't speed up or 2) perhaps where the judge staff is overwhelmed and can't watch the match. For sure, ask.
 
I think timed clocks could be a good idea for tournaments, if not smaller sized tournaments like Cities, at least for Worlds.

for tournaments like cities (and others) where they couldn't afford it,
I think that the "extended X amount of turns after time is called" is a good idea, but if they did that, they would need to leave the time limits the same for every game as they always were, and not shorten them to make up for the extra turns (i hear thats what they're thinking of doing)
cause in my logic, what's the point of having a 4 turn extension, when they shorten the games/matches by X amount of minutes anyway?

so in summary:

LEAVE the time limits the same as they are now (DON'T SHORTEN THEM), but give X amount of extended turns after time is called.

that's my opinion.

-ian b
 
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Vegeta ss4 said:
Everyone gripes about stalling. Get Over It!!!!
stalling is a part of the game no matter what rules PUI or whoever will enforce. It will never stop, so deal with it. Only thing you can really do is get the judge over and ask him if he can give the other player a warning or watch the match. anyways, my view on stalling is that thet're just prolonging the inevidable, just think of it like that and you will win.:lol:
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If I believe a player is STALLING then they get a DQ. No ifs no buts. STALLING = DQ. I don't see any stalling locally. Can't think why!

I do see instances of slow play which are easily addressed using time extensions. Neglect slow play and stalling develops.
 
ChicoBlanco said:
....."extended X amount of turns after time is called" is a good idea, but if they did that, they would need to leave the time limits the same for every game as they always were, and not shorten them to make up for the extra turns (i hear thats what they're thinking of doing)
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-ian b
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Ummm, Source? If you are talking about just those matches where the judges agree there is a certain amount of stalling, then I can understand that. Of course I can't confirm anything since I'm not in the know. Otherwise,.... not sure your statement can be proven one way or another until such time as we hear from the official source, so it's probably better off not to suggest it as gospel.
 
P_A said:
Ummm, Source? If you are talking about just those matches where the judges agree there is a certain amount of stalling, then I can understand that. Of course I can't confirm anything since I'm not in the know. Otherwise,.... not sure your statement can be proven one way or another until such time as we hear from the official source, so it's probably better off not to suggest it as gospel.
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nah, I agree bro
none of us will know for sure until POP announces... :thumb:

I wasn't saying 'that's what POP is thinking of doing'
I said 'I Hear that's what they're thinking of doing'
(from T.O. Ron P if you would like 2 know)


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-ian b
 
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NoPoke said:
If I believe a player is STALLING then they get a DQ. No ifs no buts. STALLING = DQ. I don't see any stalling locally. Can't think why!

I do see instances of slow play which are easily addressed using time extensions. Neglect slow play and stalling develops.
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I am a player that doesn't stall...exactly. If the judge syas like 10 minutes left...my play won't change from how I have been playing. I usually like to take around 40-60 seconds a turn on average....I guess some think thats slow play but, I really like to make sure I am doing a move that I want to be doing....
 
Vegeta ss4 said:
I am a player that doesn't stall...exactly. If the judge syas like 10 minutes left...my play won't change from how I have been playing. I usually like to take around 40-60 seconds a turn on average....I guess some think thats slow play but, I really like to make sure I am doing a move that I want to be doing....
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i try to play like that too. but i always feel pressured to play at the speed of light when time is running low and im winning on prizes so i dont get called out.
 
Whenever I play the only 1 minute turn I take is either the 1st turn or the turn after a Wager. I usually plan 3-4 turns ahead so my other turns don't really last that long. Anyways, I'd say stalling would start around the 90-120 second mark.

JMO
 
Well, that's all well, fine and good, but I know for a fact that one of my decks runs a large number of trainers - dusk ball, master ball, great ball, pokedex, pokenav. I guarantee I can take upwards of 5 minutes on one of my main set up turns, cycling through trainers and other cards to get myself all set up. Should I be penalized because I have those cards in my deck that eat up time to resolve? I should hope not. I certainly don't mean to take my time while doing those types of turns, but sometimes it does take quite a bit of time with different decisions. A blanket statement that turns should be kept to 2 minutes or less (in my opinion) is totally wrong. However, if it can be proven that an opponent is taking more than their fair share of time just due to gaming the clock (by reviewing their discard/ counting number of cards left in their deck, etc.), then sure, I believe they should receive some discipline of some sort. Proving it is the key though. Otherwise, latitude should be given, and people should be patient. Not everyone can plan their moves down to the second, 5 moves in advance. As a judge, I tend to have less patience for those who rush their opponents than those who play slowly. However I also won't put up with people who are obvious stallers either. If someone calls me over to complain about slow play, I tend to stand behind the person who was doing the slow play (while looking at their hand and discard pile) and try to determine why the person might take so much time. If I can picture myself using up a large amount of time, then I probably wouldn't have a problem with the slow play in the first place. It's all a matter of opinion, and perspective. Learning to appreciate other's point of view, opinions, and circumstances will help in more things in life besides pokemon.
 
P_A said:
Well, that's all well, fine and good, but I know for a fact that one of my decks runs a large number of trainers - dusk ball, master ball, great ball, pokedex, pokenav. I guarantee I can take upwards of 5 minutes on one of my main set up turns,.
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I believe everyone can tell the difference between setting up and stalling but your point is well taken.

Next tournament I play in, I'm going to play very slow and deliberate from the beginning. Maybe that's the way to play.
 
I just beat my ooponent quickly so I don't have to worry about it.:biggrin:

but seriously it's really hard for a judge to tell whether or not a person is stalling.
 
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