Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

SW Venomoth is awesome!

That's just the body. -20 resistance to fighting, the most popular type played right now, and an attack that makes it invunerable to any effects of attacks, which hurts two decent decks right now (Gallade/Banette).

I never said Venomoth was the next big deck. It's a good card IMHO, and I posted this because I like the card.

There is very little actual constructive conversations about ideas on this board. I was trying to start one. What were you doing Ryan?
 
I'm lost Prime. How does stopping effects hurt Gallade, why wouldn't they just flip three prizes and kill you?
 
Because Gallade can't use it's first attack to do 30 damage and throw you to the bench. They have to flip half their prizes to KO it. Half their prizes. They flip less to KO the 130HP behemoth Blissey.

Again, Venomoth isn't on the same level as Gallade or Blissey, but I like it a lot.

I think too many people are focusing on finding the NEXT BIG DECK so much that they pass up on other cards that are very decent for what they do. It's very obvious from this thread alone and the responses it has gotten that this is true.
 
I agree with you about discussing ideas Prime. There are a number of cards that I like that don't get talked about much. Venomoth is nice and could even be effective in some matchups ... but Gallade isn't one of them. Gallade focuses a lot more on the second attack than the first in most builds and for something really annoying, like the Moth it's just easier to flip the prizes and move on.

Still in general I think that a lot of folks overlook status conditions. I built a Venasaur deck for testing today and even my first draft build did OK vs two different Blissey builds I have. The Confusion was really nasty for them and adding Burn & Poison on top of that sometimes enabled some nice KOs. I could see Venomoth doing well in some situations the way the frog did against Bliss.

Now we just need threads for Ampharose, Magmortar, Xatu, and many many more....
 
Well, you could team up Crystal Beach with Venomoth since Venomoth only needs GG. You could even abuse Buffer Piece like I suggested earlier.

A buffer piece'd Venomoth forces Gallade to flip over 3 prizes to OHKO. That's quite a lot to spend on just a single 80HP pokemon, especially since it wouldn't be that hard to replace it with another Venomoth.

Because of the GG, it's hard to play with a multitude of other pokemon, limiting it to pokemon with grass or colorless attacks.
 
On the topic of Venomoth, I think I agree with Prime here. While "one" Venomoth may not seem like much, a swarm of them gets pretty obnoxious. It may never win head-to-head against a good fire deck (Magmortar, Infernape, or even Arcanine), but it could seriously hinder aggro decks that don't run Cessation Crystal.

You could alternatively play Venomoth as a staller: do nice fits of damage, shield yourself with sleep/poison, and setup a really vicious attacker. :D
 
I honestly dont see how everyone loves Venomoth so much. Sure 2 for 50 is decent, but that being his only attack is bad. Him only having 80 HP is HORRID, and means a decent Blissey can easily OHKO it with one of their 4 Boosts or a combo of stored energies + PP/SC. His Pokepower means absoultely nothing, and any decent player would plow into him without worrying about the sleep/poison.... especially if it means t he OHKO which will happen quite frequently given his 80 HP.
 
I like the look of Venomoth a lot. Personally, I think it could work in some annoying Special Condition deck, like either Venusaur (SW) or Meganium (MT). Toxicroak and/or Skarmory Ex techs to help keep the Special Conditions going. If you want to keep it surviving, go with either Buffer Piece as people have said, or Unown E (MT), but it doesn't help it's survivability too much.
Good card no matter what.
 
finalstain: How many cards can keep up with Blissey? Not many. Blissey is one of the best cards in the format. It's good from the first glance. It's easy good, in that aspect as it's easy to tell that it's good. Some cards are easy good and some aren't as obnoxiously broken and tend to be decent. Venomoth is decent.

The conversation goes nowhere if people just keep saying, "this loses to blissey, kthxbye." The card might indeed lose to Blissey, but it doesn't contribute anything to the conversation. Same as, "why discuss this card, there are much better cards." Give me a list of better cards you'd like to discuss! We can go discuss those cards in another thread, but this one is about Venomoth.

Blissey has trouble early game KO'ing threats without boost energy. Crystal Beach would help here. Since Blissey has a massive retreat, it won't be retreating much and the second it hits Venomoth, it should be poisoned (should be but maybe not if they run cessation crystal). That should help a ton against Blissey, doing 20 damage to Blissey before it even gets to attack again.

Cessation Crystal could hurt a bit, but the decks that run it usually have low HP so 50 damage for 2 could overwhelm them. 50 for 2 is above average for a stage 1. Only a few stage 1's actually can do better damage for 2 energy with no flips and no other "requirements" they need to make.

Venonat is pretty okay too being able to assign one of two status conditions (on a flip). The on a flip is sad, but expected on a basic.
 
Venomoth should get a boost next set w/ Sceptile. Changes every grass energy into 2. (power/body) Unless the oppo. runs the Cess crystal, a Venomoth swarm for only 1 grass will be quite annoying. Status decks are fun to play with.
I could see an Absol SW starter for the deck, to deny trainers/hand size to oppo., build up your bench a bit for a sceppy and a few moths....then swarm away.

Keith
 
Venamoth isn't that bad a card actually, if he had 10 more health he probably would have seen play. The problem is what you pointed out at the begining of the topic, his HP. Magmortar will just wipe him away with a glance, and Gallade flips two to kill you. Venamoth might be good against DWD, since Murkrow hits it and takes 10 from poison, leaving it in Venamoth KO range, but I would rather test it than just say "Venamoth PWNS DWD". Banette would also be another interesting matchup, since they can't go all emo and kill you, and with a PP/SC you can kill them after they hit you (10 poison+60+10 poison= dead Banette), but again, I would rather test it than just make claims. and to be honest Prime, looking at the Wormadams, I would sooner play one of them than Venamoth, simply due to they have more survivability. JMO.
 
I agree with Sparta about the +10HP. I think RyanVergel or someone said a while back about the +10 hoop. 90HP, 110HP, and now-a-days 130HP allow pokemon to survive where their 80HP/100HP/120HP get OHKO'd. I said the same thing about Venomoth when I was looking it at home. +10 HP does make a difference.

Hey Sparta, make a Wormadam topic. They are interesting cards and I'd like to discuss them.
 
Lawman said:
Venomoth should get a boost next set w/ Sceptile. Changes every grass energy into 2. (power/body) Unless the oppo. runs the Cess crystal, a Venomoth swarm for only 1 grass will be quite annoying. Status decks are fun to play with.
I could see an Absol SW starter for the deck, to deny trainers/hand size to oppo., build up your bench a bit for a sceppy and a few moths....then swarm away.

Keith
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Ehhh, there are just better ways to abuse Sceptile IMO. More importantly, I think a stage two would just bog down venomoth.
 
I don't know. Look at Mario....okay, that was a bad example :p
 
Kettler: I agree that there will be better uses for Sceppy, but I was tossing out an idea in a Venomoth thread. Didnt want to hijack. :)

Keith
 
The best idea I think is to play it with venusaur because then you can have a lot of special conditions and he is a stage 2 and gives some more attack power.
 
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