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Okay, I'm starting to get extremely worried about the state of Pokemon right now. Howcome you ask? Well, the tournament system is awesome, prize structure is the bomb, and the playerbase is full of such great people I woulden't even know where to start! Despite of this, what is really worrying me is the way some people have been getting banned from certain aspects of this game for actions they commit online. Now, if you were one of those right wing biased teenage hating Pokemon Parents we see all the time then your reaction would probably be, "Throw the book at 'em!", however since this is coming from a mentally stable mature down to earth Professional Pokemon player such as myself, I must say, I beg to differ.

Case and point, we have Drew Holton, in my opinion one of the most talented players this game has to offer. Despite the fact he has yet to win a single game this season, I still feel he should be held in high regard, he was banned from the Professor Program for sending in articles and making posts about the flaws in the Tournament System Nintendo was giving to us as players. I did not agree that Nintendo was doing a bad job, but coming from the point of view of a tournament player, he did make some good points in the holes found in the system, but as a result he was given the axe, although , he is still able to play the game, which is fortunate for him.

Our latest is the guy named Jake Shpringman. Now, I don't know the complete story on this, so If I am missing bits and peices, please correct me, but it has come to my attention that he now isn't allowed to participate in Pokemon organized play now because of some stunts he pulled here on the gym distributing links to one of my favorite, but obscene websites which the PokeGym deems inapropriate. Now, I totally agree that his PokeGym banning was quite due, however taking him completely out of the system for doing something on a Non-official messege board is sickening. Anybody that knows me, knows that I pull stunts all the time and do things people may label as obscure, but to be told you can't play because you made a couple Pokemon Parents mad on some site just should not be how Pokemon Organized Play works. Someone needs to change the policies, because I really don't want to have to watch my back everytime I post here. Nor should anyone else. I love Dave Schwimmer and Mike L, no, I really love them, so I know they will give valid points on why this sort of things happen.

Does anyone else have thought's on this?
 
Martin, you don't know what you're talking about.

Jake was sending porn links disguised as POP's page with the new modified format to 11 year old players via AIM. Any bans Jake had on the 'Gym had NOTHING to do with whatever disciplinary actions POP handed out.

'mom
 
I totally agree Martin. Something that's done outside of the gym shouldn't be grounds for suspension. And so if the 11 year old clicked the website, he has one of his own. It's just a bunch of legal stuff.
 
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I don't think you guys get it yet.

First of all: What Jake did was essentially defamation of the brand and Pokémon Organized Play; no one should EVER have to question the integrity of a link to POP's site or individual pages on that site. THAT is why I'd assume POP is involved in this...and for a _participant_ in POP to do this ...

Have any of you read any of the legal notices on POP's site? Participation in OP is a _privilege_ and not a _right_...and POP can withdraw that privilege at any time, for any reason. READ the Conditions of Participation contained in the legal notices for Worlds, HERE:
Conditions of Participation. Participating in the Pokémon®Trading Card Game World Championships ("Championships") constitutes the agreement of the player ("Participant") (or, if such Participant is a minor, his or her parent or legal guardian) to follow the Pokémon Floor Rules and all other special event rules applicable to this event and be bound by the final decision of Pokémon USA, Inc. ("Pokémon" or "we" )). Participating also constitutes Participant's agreement (or, if such Participant is a minor, the agreement of Participant's parent or legal guardian) that because Pokémon Organized Play is above all designed to be fun, safe and fair for everyone involved, that we reserve the right to suspend Participant from participating in POP (including the Championships) if we determine that Participant's participation may compromise these values or that suspension is in the best interests of POP or other POP participants.
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Got it yet? =/ You DON'T have carte blanche to do whatever you'd like because 'they can't suspend me for it'; they can suspend whoever they like, whenever they'd like!

'mom
 
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I agree with you on one sort of level, but I honestly feel that if your messed up enough to do bad stuff, not once, not twice, but consistantly, the game doesn't need someone like you in it. In reality, you should act like an adult even when you know your immatureness couldn't be held against you. Jake has never acted like an adult, and although I don't agree with him being banned from the game, I do have to ask myself, what would have been next?

In the end, it comes down to one person acting immature. More than immature really. POP decided that they didn't want someone like him to play their game. We can't do a thing about it. I don't agree with him being banned but people must realize that their actions have consequences, even if it's not right in front of the officials eyes.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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The thing i wonder is, if i decide to do "playboy" would i be banned?

that is why i don't know which side to take.
 
woohoo, more publicity for Jake, I'm sure he's excited. :p But yeah, it would have been less evil if he hadn't disguised the link as an POP website. let's just hope they never find NEO.

>_>
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Got it yet? =/ You DON'T have carte blanche to do whatever you'd like because 'they can't suspend me for it'; they can suspend whoever they like, whenever they'd like!
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The man has too much power! :nonono:

IDK about this banning stuff. 'Mom is right about one thing: POP has the power to yank Jake, and they did it. What he did was pretty disgusting, but Martin brings up a good point, too: It might not serve as actual grounds for banning from POP. I think Jake's sentence probably should have been more along the lines of not being able to become a professor or like that.

'Mom, I don't think Martin is trying to say that POP stepped outside the lines, because, according to the quote you provided, they didn't (except for the fact that the quote refers to the World Championship, but then it gets around that in the third bold text section). But I think Martin is saying that POP needs to reevaluate what does and what does not constitute as a means for banning or restricting in any way the privilege of playing in their system, not that they broke the rules.
 
yeah, check the sig ~_~

It's sad though, I see TOs break floor rules, and they go without punishment. But some alleged actions of a player outside of teh game gets banned? Kind of stupid.

Favoritism, it seems.

Don't bother asking about what rules TOs break, i'm no narc.
 
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Jake isn't banned from POP. Just PokeGym. The whole story is impossible to learn, because of all the Jake haters starting rumors. I don't know why he was banned from PokeGym, but he's still in POP. *Sigh*
 
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Jake isn't banned from POP. Just PokeGym. The whole story is impossible to learn, because of all the Jake haters starting rumors. I don't know why he was banned from PokeGym, but he's still in POP. *Sigh*
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His letter from Schwimmer says otherwise.
 
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'Mom, I don't think Martin is trying to say that POP stepped outside the lines, because, according to the quote you provided, they didn't (except for the fact that the quote refers to the World Championship, but then it gets around that in the third bold text section). But I think Martin is saying that POP needs to reevaluate what does and what does not constitute as a means for banning or restricting in any way the privilege of playing in their system, not that they broke the rules.
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Nope.

IMO, it's about TIME players started being held responsible for their actions away from the game _when said actions impact the game_.

WotC didn't; POP IS, and I applaud them for it. WE DON'T NEED THIS IN OUR GAME.

'mom
 
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