The Big Bliss - 5 in 1 - Updated with Variant 5!!!

Discussion in 'Feature Articles' started by Dante63s, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. Rampardos = the truk.

    Champ has spoken.
  2. Bolt

    Bolt New Member

    uhh....they said MULTIPLE times what the TRUKs were. go back and read. it was the reports that were vague. i can provide links to posts if you'd like.

    is it just me, or are both of those trainer lines exactly the same (for two entirely different decks)?

    1 copycat, no stevens?

    if you up the wager count to 2-3, you basically autowin empoleon.

    "Did not test yet, but it’s a little on your side." :/

    so yeah, just cause they didn't let you netdeck, doesn't mean the pokemon were under "wraps."
  3. SHPanda

    SHPanda New Member

    anytime anyone lists a X5/X5 matchup, they are basically pulling a number out of thier butt. i've seen it before, when people have a somewhat idea on how the matchup is played out based on conjure and since they don't really know the w/l ratio they just give it a number that sounds correct.
  4. KingGengar

    KingGengar New Member

    It used to be that when someone criticized a list, they were reprimanded for not provided a better list or constructive criticism. But I see now that certain Pokegym members can do whatever they want and receive no warning.

    Dante, excellent job. And I love ya for commandeering the name Truk.
  5. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    Folks, if you don't like the article, write a better one. Ooops...
  6. Flaming_Spinach

    Flaming_Spinach Feature Editor

    Everyone who's saying this article/list/whatever is written poorly should really give reasons before posts start disappearing for reasons like 'spam' and 'bashing'.

    That is a staff concern, not yours.
  7. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    2) You must have had tournament success with the deck in question. Before your article is finally accepted, you will need to PM a Cardiologist or Feature Editor with the premier tournament (Cities or higher) at which you used the deck and the place you finished. We expect you to have placed no lower than 8th with your feature article-worthy deck. There is one way around this rule: if you can find someone who has had tourney success with the deck to cowrite with you, or to sponsor your article, you may submit as usual. This is to eliminate the possibility of a deluge of article submissions about untested decks, and to eliminate articles that may not be accurate with regards to matchups.

    This is taken directly from the DECK ARTICLE SUBMISSION RULES posted by Dendrobatida. If the guy hasn't even tested the decks in his article, that's even worse than not having tournament experience, which leads to extremely inaccurate matchups.
  8. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    Oh well, looks like we are messed. None of the good players are willing to post an article and nobody of less skill can post an article because they haven't placed high enough.

    Oh well...
  9. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Took the "TRUK" out of the name.
    If it's not the deck or engine that is referred to as TRUK, we won't call it that.

    On another note: Those who have won with Blissy varients want an article written by someone with experience winning with the deck. then please step up.
    Don't claim your right to secrecy one minute and then complain the next that your deck isn't being described correctly.
  10. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    Our team is actually planning and working on articles for Blissvire, Blisscatty and maybe a few other decks that we will get around to posting after I get through my 2 exams this week =/
  11. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    No, it doesn't, but it shouldn't be bad either.
    As you see, most people that has posted in this thread, says his lists are bad.

    Still GJ at writing up the article and ll that, Dante, the lists just don't cut it..

    Also, I hate that "MatchupX - coming soon", in every article you make.
    It's just =/...
  12. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    The first few "TRUK" BR reports I read had literally *no* references to pokemon at all. There were complaints and thing that might be construed as pokemon identifiers started appearing in later reports. For instance a basic might be mentioned or a power named and it was left for the reader to infer what final stage pokemon was actually being used in said deck. One had to read a *lot* of BR reports, often carefully, and do a bit of educated guesswork to gain a good idea of what all the "official" TRUKs were. It's no surprise to me that more posters here than not don't know what your little code deck names mean. You guys went out of your way to be vague or were patronizing when you were more explicit. I have no sympathy for any complaints about folks running away with the TRUK name here on the gym. If you had been explicit about it from the get go this would not have happened. Instead you created a situation where it was practically bound to take place and now seem to be upset that the inevitable has occurred.

    Anyway on to the article.

    I don’t think that 4-4 is the play for T2 Blissey. Not when you can use Happiny or include a tech like Sableye. If you do run 4-4 then you have got to run more TGW. 2 is an absolute minimum and 3-4 is probably better. Given the number of mulligans 4 basics is going to generate on average you have got to be able to get to that TGW *fast* to even things out. It’s also worth noting that, while not great, Blissey’s power is useful. I’ve used it to win games in the past. Trading in stuff you don’t need at the moment, like a Night Maintenance at the start of a game, for something else that could be a lot more use can be huge. It’s not to be depended on, for instance it’s better to shut off opposing powers with Cess when facing Infernape, but in some situations it’s game winning.

    Not running Warp Point or SSU is a mistake as well. You really need one or the other IMHO. My first Blissey list had 4 Warp Points in it along with plenty of Holon WP Energy and it was super disruptive as a result. SSU on the other hand is simply amazing in Blissey / Vire and looks to be interesting in Blissey / Arcanine too.

    Finally Pokedex and PokeNav are underrated in Blissey. These cards speed up things up amazingly. It’s simply great to be able to unearth that Boost energy you need with one of these and then burn a supporter on something other than draw, for instance a Celio’s to get that Blissey you need or a Castaway to get the Cess or Str. Charm.
  13. PSYCO829

    PSYCO829 New Member

    Good article Dante
    And thank you pokepop for removing the truk from the name

    when a person says in their reports "i knocked him out with blissey" and then "i knocked him out with electavire" in their next matchup, you would kinda expect a person to catch on to the fact that they are playing BOTH on a deck
    identifying the powers should be fine, since i have never seen any two pokemon in a format at the same time with the same power that saw play

    naturally they were vauge
    it was early in the tournoment season, and like every early season, there were randies everywhere ready to steal decks rather than come up with their own

    you want to call your deck a truk, by all means
    you just give up your right to not be refered to as a randie from that moment on
    is it REALLY THAT HARD to make your own tag? i name my decks after songs, it works for me
    try originality, you would be surprised as to how well it works

    4-4 is the play
    getting blissey out asap is the goal, nothing else
    hapiny is a waste, because in case you didnt notice, the deck plays cessasion crystal, so ahpiny wouldnt really help
    not to mention this deck enjoys bieng able to mentor, grab all basics from the deck, and then quick ball for a guarunteed blissey
    happiny would kill that

    its a basic list
    the techs are for a player to add in themselves

    agreed on the pokedex point, but as said, this is a basic list designed for a basic player
    pokedex comes down to personal preference, and many players dont like it

    pokenav, on the other hand, ive found to be a waste
    with pokedex, you can cycle and grab cards, with pokenav, you grab one and are stuck with the others
  14. Scizor

    Scizor New Member

    You guys still broke your OWN rules by publishing this. Did anyone even read my post? There's decklists, deck strategy discussion, single card discussion, "TRUK" engine discussion, and basically everything and anything that is in this article.

    I wasn't saying that I'm offended or anything by the decklists. It isn't like there is anything better on here. I know the state of other submitted articles, and if the 'gym is going to be hestitant to publish well-thought out, researched pieces by players who have actually accomplished a thing or two, then I don't even know why anyone would try helping on here. The Pokegym and a good number of its staff gives good players every reason to NOT contribute.
  15. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Maybe, given HB's rep on the Gym, the mods are unsure if you (not just YOU, but HB as a whole) posted serious articles.
  16. Flaming_Spinach

    Flaming_Spinach Feature Editor

    Everything takes a few days (or even weeks) to get published. Length of time something sits has nothing to do with its inherant quality.

    Now, the article in question has brought up some concerns among the staff that we need to work out. Some feel it is inflamitory, derogitory, and in bad taste. Others feel it is a brilliant op-ed piece, and wish it published right now. Until these viewpoints are worked out, it will sit where it is.

    Anything else you wish to say on that topic should be kept to PM.
  17. PSYCO829

    PSYCO829 New Member

    ...i just realized i saw a blissey/machamp idea on the front page
    did i miss something? where did that come from?
  18. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    Since I might as well help out and post some information, this is the list I have been using for my Solo-Blissey deck.

    4 Chancey MT
    4 Blissey MT
    TOTAL: 8 Pokemon (4 Basics, 4 Evolutions)

    8 Fire Energy
    4 Holon Energy FF
    4 Boost Energy
    TOTAL: 16 Energy

    4 Castaway
    2 H. Mentor
    4 Fast Ball
    3 Celio's Network
    4 TV Reporter
    4 Windstorm
    4 Super Scoop Up
    4 Plus Power
    3 Strength Charm
    4 Night Maintenance
    TOTAL: 36 Trainers

    4 Castaway has been my used number lately. It's just so important to have that supporter and have that energy T1 (if you are going second) or T2 (if you are going first). Strength Charm and Plus Power help Blissey do even more damage. I've seen versions with Drake's Stadium, and Buffer Pieces. I guess my version doesn't try to be defensive and offensive, just all out, win or lose. I live in a heavily Mario popular area, so weakness can be a pain.

    I welcome others to post their lists too. The main deck list doesn't have the be the best, and we can offer help to fix it up. That is what community is all about.

    edit: Oops, totally forgot the great ball. Well, I'll edit it in there later.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2007
  19. Articjedi

    Articjedi Active Member

    I saw the article in question, it looked fine. In fact, it gives every single new player some excellent insight in how to build their own competitive decks without actually copying an idea and netdecking it. Though I'm sure there's a handful of players who will find it insulting considering the near religious fervor there is surrounding this deck.

    Remember, I'm not a member of HB, I have my own affairs to take care of.
  20. Rainbowgym

    Rainbowgym Active Member

    With all respect but it's very difficult to name match-ups for 4 very different decks.
    Straight Blissey is in no way the same as the version which are running with another stage 1 (or even stage 2)

    Our BR are not over yet and I am simply not willing to give out our decklists.
    Maybe later, depending on what is in Secret Wonders.
    I will try to contribute, but our lists are so much different from what I see here it's hard to comment.

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