The Cover 2 Defense: Best in Intimidating Snow.

[chriscobi634]

I mentioned it before and I'll mention again now that I thought about it. I once did manage to have Dusknoir (Big line), Abomasnow, and Cresselia all in the same deck. So with all the healers and big benches it may not be a bad idea to try and bring that back. Since right now there is Unown G for blocking effects (placing damage counters) and actual damage in Bench Shield but you can't block both at the same time. Unless your using Manectric and Unown G. But guess what that Manectric can be shuffled back in. I called it CAD or Control All Damage, quite proud of that idea for how well the acronym worked out.

The only problem with that deck was the energy acceleration but with Upper Energy or DCE it doesn't have that problem as much anymore.

BIG NOTE HERE: Spread wasn't dead when Manectric came out, what's the difference with Queen, Chomp, Blissey? That they are all there? There is a counter to all those. Blissey's down fall will be that it can be Power Sprayed so we still have to see how much that is playable.

 

[csponsler]

No BlazRay matchup? or LuxChomp?

 

[elekid_957]

i think this autolosses to flygon w/ even a 1-0-1 queen line... who cares how much damage you reduce if they can retreat each time after you drag up and make your biggest attack (w/ belt) still a 3KO on flygon X. queen would just totally shut down this deck, i dont really see how you can't accept that... you say you have uxie X+expert belt+2blowers to kill nidoqueen, why don't i then have the NM+candy+belt to return KO your uxie for two prizes and stop the spread/ or even extreme attack the uxie.

flychamp i can see this beating if they dont run queen. but that's about it.. this downright SCOOPS to dialga/chomp IMO.. they shut down your bodys and deafen+poison+belt is 50 damage each turn. meaning 2KO while your under constant trainer lock. and if you do get a couple of spreads of they can just go to the garchomp C with warp energy. you snipe off one garchomp C with zangoose? dialga return KO while benching another garchomp. it is also impossible to kill dialga pretty much. with 2 SP metals you aren't doing a thing to it.

 

[louist200]

louist200: okay... Below Zero one shots it. It's not hard to charge it up with Upper Energy in hand. It's not hard to take out Infernape using Snow Play. Remember, Infernape is weak to water.

You play 1 upper energy. Also the masquireane is weak to lightning my 2nd attacker. Both of them together should make a very hard match for you.

 

[Jaeger]

I like how after all this time people still sound suprised to see bias and unrealistic match ups on the front page.

 

[elekid_957]

but this is just extreme. i don't see how in this can in any way have an even against dialga G. unless they cry and scoop after you kill ONE garchomp, it should be easy sailing just deafen lock with belt and skuntsnk for game. if they G their claydol there is no possible way for you to win unless you 4 pluspower and belt your obamasnow with some crobat drops =P

 

[Ninja]

WOO! I hated going against that deck... Every time... I tried spreading, didnt work! Tried attacking for 60, Didnt work... Great deck, and it destroys Kingdra T-T I hope I never have to go against it again lol...

 

[bladesblaze]

i played him twice today with dark flygon and i whipped him twice

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

i played him twice today with dark flygon and i whipped him twice

Impossible. It outspeeds you and then you lose steam. He said so himself.

 

[Rew]

Dialga G/Garchom C should umm pretty much auto win you. i don't see any even about it.

 

[Professor Sycamore]

i played him twice today with dark flygon and i whipped him twice

Just to clearify this, first game, I drew wiffed on a grass. He knows this. The second, I missed played and miscalucated. I would also like to point out that I didn't have a matchup with flygon only. It was Flychamp.

PS: MY PC LIVES! *DANCES*

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I like how after all this time people still sound suprised to see bias and unrealistic match ups on the front page.

If we hold silent, will we forever lose our voice?

 

[Jaeger]

If we hold silent, will we forever lose our voice?

True, but another saying I always like was,

Sometimes it is better to leave you mouth shut and let everybody think your an idiot than open it and confirm it.

 

[bladesblaze]

actually with dark flygon his deck at most dose around 60 at a time while dark flygon with expert belt hits for 140 at a time enough to kill anything on his field

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also it was not flychamp u would of won if i played machamp plus the second game i got t-4 3 special darks on flygon and a wevile with and expert belt on flygon

 

[spazcrackers]

Great article,what an amazing idea and affordable build for a new player to the game this could be!
-spaz

 

[dragonlordreborn]

this looks realy good i like it xP and it would be a pain with riduced damage in any case

 

[chriscobi634]

actually with dark flygon his deck at most dose around 60 at a time while dark flygon with expert belt hits for 140 at a time enough to kill anything on his field

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also it was not flychamp u would of won if i played machamp plus the second game i got t-4 3 special darks on flygon and a wevile with and expert belt on flygon

correction this deck can do 80 and spread 10 with Zangooze to Flygon without an Expert belt. I really haven't played this match-up but the Zangooze looks like it's huge in that match-up. Being able to drag it up and do 50 to it before Flygon is ready to attack and then KO it next turn with a DCE. IDK I really can only speak Theorymon for this match-up.

Any other match-up were Flygon doesn't have Queen is in Abomasnow favor and this I do have plenty of experience in, and is not just a Theorymon statement. It had a good match-up before Zangooze, so it can only get better now with this tech. I also have experience in Dialga G vs. Abomasnow and it's a very even match-up, but SLIGHTLY in Abomasnows favor. Like I mentioned before when I played Pooka (our Nats champion) at IL States last year it was a very even match-up, where he won 2-1. The games he won was because he had 3 Sp. Metals in play by like T4 which even he admitted to being lucky in having that. The game I won is because I had an early Cresselia Lv. X (which is what my list is designed for with Unwon Q) and then another Cresselia Lv. X mid-game (again it's what it's designed to do). At Regionals I beat him in Swiss rounds. Both times he had Blissey (PL) to heal 20 damage from his guys. In the Regionals game he didn't have the greatest start but he didn't have a slow start either. He just got his stuff out a little too late, where I had a slightly better start, I started with T2 Snow Play, he started with T2 Deafen with 1 Sp. Metal. So Garchomp isn't much different especially when I can OHKO with Zangooze with an Expert Belt and 1 energy BEFORE it Levels up and has a chance to heal all the damage I have spread, not only that but it pretty much gives me a free prize. If they Guard the Chomp there is always Blower.

I hope this opens up some eyes for people who say that it has a bad match-up on PAPER. Playtest it first then post a better analysis of it

 

[bulbasnore]

I hope this opens up some eyes for people who say that it has a bad match-up on PAPER. Playtest it first then post a better analysis of it

Excellent post and something to emulate, members: details of games played with the deck, mechanics and counters explained, caveats when just going by theory.

Just read this because it was a latest post in forum link, but now I want to read the article!

 

[Professor Sycamore]

I hope this opens up some eyes for people who say that it has a bad match-up on PAPER. Playtest it first then post a better analysis of it

I agree. I also would like to point out there's another factor of playing a deck. It's the deck builder. It's about your style of playing. Sometimes people don't do well with decks because people aren't able to play it. It's not a skill factor, it's a personality factor.

Well, everyone knows that things on paper and practicality are two different things. I've built decks that theoretically should work, but when I placed it into action, it flopped. I remember when I built this deck, I was like "This will get slaughtered, but I have to try it and see how it will do." I playtested this deck and was like this is better than I thought. So, I teched it out and went to work the next week and I almost top cut with it.

I take in all the theory of what if this... what if that... The funny thing is, all the possibilities that people talk about seem to rarely happen to me.

 

[chriscobi634]

I agree. I also would like to point out there's another factor of playing a deck. It's the deck builder. It's about your style of playing. Sometimes people don't do well with decks because people aren't able to play it. It's not a skill factor, it's a personality factor.

Very very good point. I've tried decks but never really liked them because they weren't my style. A couple years back there was a deck call Bandoom which had Banette EX LM with Houndoom (UF) and was one of the top 3 decks, if not the best. Houndoom is my favorite Pokemon, but the deck, at the time, really wasn't my style. So I didn't play it. Some people will play a deck just because it's winning or because their favorite Pokemon in it. But the best deck choice to make is one that you feel comfortable playing. A deck that suits your style. When I add spread versions to my decks like ApeRay I know I'm going to play better then anyone else because I modified a winning/good deck to fit my playing style.

This ties in with netdecking, and why so many players don't do well with a certain deck or list. I have never netdecked. Aperay was an obvious combo a lot of good players saw.