You have obviously never used a good non-SP deck.
Same thing except the SP format is terribly overpowered. It's just that SP uses the exact same cards over and over and over with little variety. It's boring. Cheap. Overpowered and just annoying now.
The End of SP
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You have obviously never used a good non-SP deck.
Same thing except the SP format is terribly overpowered. It's just that SP uses the exact same cards over and over and over with little variety. It's boring. Cheap. Overpowered and just annoying now.
nnaann
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Bebe's Search, Pokemon Collector, Call Energy, Double Colourless Energy, Luxury Ball, Pokemon Communication, Rare Candy, Broken Time Space, Volkner/Copycat/PONT/Cynthia, Unown Q, Uxie, Uxie Lv X - all cards off the top of my head that all non SP cards use over and over again with little variety.
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baby mario
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Yep, let's sort out this format by replacing 3-4 competitive SP decks, plus several competitive non-SPs with one stupidly broken Lost Zone deck.
That should make things a lot less boring :thumb:
Naki Feralkin
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I'm still waiting to see just how durable this claim is. Luxchomp is still a force here in Ohio and I don't see it leaving anytime soon.
Scipio
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I have a hunch 80% of the players will have a party seeing 90% of all donk cards leaving the format.
As far as SP is concerned, I recon right now its at the level Delta was by the end of the DX-On format. VERY strong and solid pick with several varieties working well, but having enough opposition to not have the format in a painful chokehold.
Nintendan
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I bought a Lux X from eBay. Can someone tell me LuxChomp still has a chance? I'm worried that I might as well play DialgaChomp for Cities. Tell me LuxChomp has the potential to win against almost ALL matchups (except Machamp).
And how well do you people think Luxchomp will do against Vilegar? Please LMK.
And how well do you people think Luxchomp will do against Vilegar? Please LMK.
nnaann
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Testing matchups yourself is always a better option then asking on the Pokegym, because you can get some dodgy responses.
But yes, Luxchomp is a great play. Machamp is it's only real difficult matchup, and personally I don't think that it's a complete auto loss either.
Vilegar is iffy, it's a matchup which can be a real pain until you get enough practice at it. I used to really struggle with it, so I played about 20 games in testing against it and got the matchup to 70/30 for Luxchomp from losing most games. 2 Bebe and 2-2 Luxray help as well.
ProfessorJacob7
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lol, its cool that there is more variety in the meta now after the re-lease of HS triumphant, but im certainly not gonna pee myself in happiness over "SP's [supposedly] being dead" Its not my fault they're good. and even then, their only good if you're skilled enough to play it right lol. misplays are easily obtained with SP decks if not being used by a player skilled enough to play it right.
my advice:
get a decent list together, play test daily, tweak your list after each tournament, or even after league. anyone can complain about SP's being over powered if you dont take the time to find the "secret" to beating them with your own deck.
my advice:
get a decent list together, play test daily, tweak your list after each tournament, or even after league. anyone can complain about SP's being over powered if you dont take the time to find the "secret" to beating them with your own deck.
I love how people always try to sound so smart with stuff like "you just dont know how to beat them" and my personal favorite "sp is soooo hard to play".
SP is hard to play in a close game, the majority of sp games go like "bright look, ko, spray, spray, rush, spray, uxie (cause who needs to keep track of their recources when we have uxe aka the get out of jail for free card) and in these kind of games there is no room to even show how skilled you are.
And yes, SP was beatable, there were hidden gems like bronzong4 (<3) and with claydol and a really good and focused build it was possible. Sp was srong, too strong, but not unbeatable. But now? Ive been playin around with Machamp all day, its just not worth it... Yes Gyarados is strong but thats about it (and gyarados works on what? What is it that worries me when playing against gyarados? Yeah that although gyarados says itll do 90 dmaage max it will suddenly drop 140 damage in my face, thats all...)
SP was nearly unbeatable in dp-pt
SP was fair in dp-rr (the last decend format we had)
SP was very strong in dp-sv
SP got a bit weaker in dp-ar
SP got DCE in HGSS which just shouldnt have happened
SP got ERL in Unleashed cause it definitly needed a walking nuke...
SP was "countered" by vileplum but at the end of the day sp was the only deck to have an answer to plum and every other deck couldnt aford to go trainer heavy anymore so I honestly thing vileplum actually HELPED SP (which is completly ridiculus)
Triumphant was a step int othe right direction but far from enough.
Ive basically been playing around with decks all day, machamp might have a slight edge (a deck that kills BASICS HAS A SLIGHT!!! EDGE AGAINST AN ALL BASIC DECK, IF THIS ISN RIDICULUS I DONT KNOW WHAT ANYTHING IS ANYMORE) against sp, a meh garados matchup and thn there is gengar... Do I even need to go there ? Remember what I said about trainer heavy builds? Yeah...
@baby mario
The difference and the skill in building your field for 5 turns and then starting to smack each others heads hin is that both players have access to their stuff and need to come up with a way to overpower their opponent and opening hands hardly matter, if I play against SP my biggest worry isnt "will I be able to outplay my opponent" but "god please give me a good hand so I can actually play". And yes this example is over the top.
SP is hard to play in a close game, the majority of sp games go like "bright look, ko, spray, spray, rush, spray, uxie (cause who needs to keep track of their recources when we have uxe aka the get out of jail for free card) and in these kind of games there is no room to even show how skilled you are.
And yes, SP was beatable, there were hidden gems like bronzong4 (<3) and with claydol and a really good and focused build it was possible. Sp was srong, too strong, but not unbeatable. But now? Ive been playin around with Machamp all day, its just not worth it... Yes Gyarados is strong but thats about it (and gyarados works on what? What is it that worries me when playing against gyarados? Yeah that although gyarados says itll do 90 dmaage max it will suddenly drop 140 damage in my face, thats all...)
SP was nearly unbeatable in dp-pt
SP was fair in dp-rr (the last decend format we had)
SP was very strong in dp-sv
SP got a bit weaker in dp-ar
SP got DCE in HGSS which just shouldnt have happened
SP got ERL in Unleashed cause it definitly needed a walking nuke...
SP was "countered" by vileplum but at the end of the day sp was the only deck to have an answer to plum and every other deck couldnt aford to go trainer heavy anymore so I honestly thing vileplum actually HELPED SP (which is completly ridiculus)
Triumphant was a step int othe right direction but far from enough.
Ive basically been playing around with decks all day, machamp might have a slight edge (a deck that kills BASICS HAS A SLIGHT!!! EDGE AGAINST AN ALL BASIC DECK, IF THIS ISN RIDICULUS I DONT KNOW WHAT ANYTHING IS ANYMORE) against sp, a meh garados matchup and thn there is gengar... Do I even need to go there ? Remember what I said about trainer heavy builds? Yeah...
@baby mario
The difference and the skill in building your field for 5 turns and then starting to smack each others heads hin is that both players have access to their stuff and need to come up with a way to overpower their opponent and opening hands hardly matter, if I play against SP my biggest worry isnt "will I be able to outplay my opponent" but "god please give me a good hand so I can actually play". And yes this example is over the top.
death of luxchomp
in the next season luxchomp is dead for tournaments. Platinum will be out and so will all the cards supporting luxchomp. and with the new series there is so far no information on new SP Pokemon. but there is rumor for more to be released within the expansion releases of Pokemon black and white
personaly i think we should be more concerned on new decks to use for next year's tournaments. i all ready have a deck in mind that is better than luxchomp. send me a message if you want deck list.
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in the next season luxchomp is dead for tournaments. Platinum will be out and so will all the cards supporting luxchomp. and with the new series there is so far no information on new SP Pokemon. but there is rumor for more to be released within the expansion releases of Pokemon black and white
personaly i think we should be more concerned on new decks to use for next year's tournaments. i all ready have a deck in mind that is better than luxchomp. send me a message if you want deck list.
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thinking about next YEAR is completely pointless. we will be getting like 2 more sets before rotation even happens again, and there is still a filler set to be released in February, not to mention that we don't even know all of the cards that will be released in the first black and white set! the most we can do(or at least, the most we SHOULD do) is think about possible deck ideas for when the 1st black and white set comes out, but even then, that's stretching it. like I said, there is still a filler set to be released.
also, some people don't know how to beat them, and that is just a fact. there are also bad players and good players, and that is also a fact. SP's are somewhat hard to play, and yeah, in SOME games "luxchomp specifically" can be pretty autopilot but that is mostly against below average players who dont know how to beat luxchomp (or dont know what luxchomp is), and dont realize that their main attacker, who they are failing to get set up is indeed open to an attack. BTW there is more than just luxchomp you know. dialgachomp, sablock, blaziken/sablock, straight blazechomp, HoPe, and then the random addition of SP engines and pokemon into stage 1/2 decks.
you have to know how it should play out and what you need to do in order to achieve that outcome, but even then it wont happen the right way every game. You have to know how to build a good list, and when its right to do different things in a game.
like dialgachomp for instance. you have to know when to tank, and when to go for the KO with remove lost. its not always easy.
especially when its SP vs. SP. its a counters game the whole way through. you have to know how you can either get a KO or a revenge KO, while also preventing your opponent from being able to score a KO on their next turn.
also, some people don't know how to beat them, and that is just a fact. there are also bad players and good players, and that is also a fact. SP's are somewhat hard to play, and yeah, in SOME games "luxchomp specifically" can be pretty autopilot but that is mostly against below average players who dont know how to beat luxchomp (or dont know what luxchomp is), and dont realize that their main attacker, who they are failing to get set up is indeed open to an attack. BTW there is more than just luxchomp you know. dialgachomp, sablock, blaziken/sablock, straight blazechomp, HoPe, and then the random addition of SP engines and pokemon into stage 1/2 decks.
you have to know how it should play out and what you need to do in order to achieve that outcome, but even then it wont happen the right way every game. You have to know how to build a good list, and when its right to do different things in a game.
like dialgachomp for instance. you have to know when to tank, and when to go for the KO with remove lost. its not always easy.
especially when its SP vs. SP. its a counters game the whole way through. you have to know how you can either get a KO or a revenge KO, while also preventing your opponent from being able to score a KO on their next turn.
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Id like to shoot the man who thought up sps...
And yeah sps are so diverse, Im not sure where I read this, but I love this statement "bdif is whateverchomp".
Ill admit Dialgachomp is differnt, it doesnt prey on cheap prices and rush, its actually a deck I like.
What good does it do to realise that your main attacker is open to an attack if theres no way to stop it from happening? Any other deck tries to live through the early disruption of a deck that has the most stable engine, the only stable engine this game offers right now. Thats the biggest issue, we lack any kind of really good supporters / drawers, all decks try to somehow get by while sp has cyrus..
And SP mirrors can be hard to play what does it often come down to?
"My hand isnt really good so I nee to rely on uxie, lets hope he doesnt have the spray"
"I wen first and got the t2 snipe"
"Lets hope he doesnt have the counter"
yeah...
e:/ And where is the logic behind "its sucessful so its great"?!
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That would be sucessful, would you aplaude the guy who chose that his would be printed?
And yeah sps are so diverse, Im not sure where I read this, but I love this statement "bdif is whateverchomp".
Ill admit Dialgachomp is differnt, it doesnt prey on cheap prices and rush, its actually a deck I like.
What good does it do to realise that your main attacker is open to an attack if theres no way to stop it from happening? Any other deck tries to live through the early disruption of a deck that has the most stable engine, the only stable engine this game offers right now. Thats the biggest issue, we lack any kind of really good supporters / drawers, all decks try to somehow get by while sp has cyrus..
And SP mirrors can be hard to play what does it often come down to?
"My hand isnt really good so I nee to rely on uxie, lets hope he doesnt have the spray"
"I wen first and got the t2 snipe"
"Lets hope he doesnt have the counter"
yeah...
e:/ And where is the logic behind "its sucessful so its great"?!
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That would be sucessful, would you aplaude the guy who chose that his would be printed?
Shadow Zangoose
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Yes, because that's hilarious.
Honestly, the reply below your question was very thorough, but I would add that whether to play LuxChomp or DialgaChomp would depend on the Meta in your area. What are others playing and which of the two decks is a better match against it.
Take that into consideration as well.:wink:
I've had no real problem with SP while playing any type of Machamp build, even GengChamp which was very incositent.. I do however have a rough time playing against it with a rogue deck because they basically have a swiss army knife with all the tools, where I have a prototype with only a few. Is it possible to beat them, yes. Is it a hard match-up depending on what you play, yes. But anything can be beaten if you play your cards right.
ProfessorJacob7
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well i've recently noticed that jirachi is a pretty nice card for slower decks. when you get down on prizes you can twins, then detour the twins and get another 2 cards, potentially setting you up for the rest of the game. but thats just a recent engine for decks other than SP's. there was claydol. now there is sableye/jirachi/twins etc. you can use seeker on your uxies to have another chance at re-using them.