Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

The Final Report by Gino Lombardi

Well spoken bro,regardless of what people think,the things you have already accomplished in this game rank you amongst some of the best players in the world. You are one of the more original players out there too,something that helps keep the game fresh IMO. Best of luck to you in whatever you choose to pursue.
-Brent
 
Gino will be back, they all come back :)

Even if he doesn't come back to the game, he has accomplished more than most players will ever do in this game. Congrats on those achievements. Being a US National Champ means something.

The sleeve issue, I did not see. Cannot blame the judges though if the sleeves created a marked card situation. The player is ultimately responsible for their deck. No intention is necessary for that ruling. (Could have been a DQ...see the US Nats, 3 MAs hit). I find it interesting though that it was your oppo, Khan Le that asked for the judges to look at your deck. He must have seen something there. The judges weren't out looking for you. They made rulings that were fair and backed up in the rules documents. As I said, the marked deck issue could have been a DQ....look in the rules yourself to see what I mean.

Keith
 
Did they make any effort to check OTHER players' decks who were using those same sleeves issued to them in the Worlds package? I can't be sure, but I doubt it.

In actual fact, I did make an inspection tour around Masters later to see if there was any similar situation.
 
stop being so selfish please, saying that you have the best deck in the world and are the best player in the world and you haven't even won the world championship, but i'm sorry, that is not good sportsmanship
 
stop being so selfish please, saying that you have the best deck in the world and are the best player in the world and you haven't even won the world championship, but i'm sorry, that is not good sportsmanship

Marill, how can you call winning multiple Citys, Battle Roads, States, Reginals, and a National Championships selfish? Any one who can do that can call themselves whatever they want.

As far as the sleeve thing goes I have to say this: Didn't they check the sleeves at the beginning of the tournament? How in the world did he make it to 4 rounds with bad sleeves? With his popularity there could have been judges, or opponents who are friends of other players out to ruin his chances. Anything could have happend.

I am sad that I won't get the chance to meet, or play you next year. It would have ben awsome if I could have played you and beat you. When you do come back, I will still be here, waiting for the challenge.

Good luck in the future Gino. :thumb:
 
Jaeger, Are you asking about before the incident, or after? If this was the one and only time that it happened (an isolated incident), why would there have been an earlier announcement, or if after, I don't see why an announcement was necessary. If judges kept their eyes on the possibility of a second incident, and no one noticed any different, why would they have had to upset everyone else?
 
POP the thing that got me is why was there no announcement that the sleeves could be defective.

I don't think one pack of possibly messed up sleeves should lead them to believe that they are defective. That would call to attention a poor product or business model, and diminish the value for prerelease/limited release sleeves. Perhaps this is why there was a walk-by inspection made. You can't just announce into the crowd that a product made and given to these players is possibly defective and useless, and possibly giving you a game loss.

Has no one here ever bought a pack of sleeves and had some damaged? Never bought an Ultra-Pro pack that had a bad run? I have- but I don't call the brand possibly defective. You should look at your sleeves when you sleeve a deck- period. It's very unfortunate to get a game loss for this though! At a Worlds level event, I think they could re-sleeve the deck, leave it in the same order, and things would be fine. A game loss though! Why not just replace the sleeves with other pokemon sleeves of the same kind and move on? You deemed it was unintentional, so do we really need to ruin a game for him so that we can teach him to check his sleeves better? Give him a prize penalty or something?

It takes a judge 5 minutes to re-sleeve an entirely new deck, and you can have another watch that to make sure it's being done correctly. I think it would be worth the delay at an invite-only, prestigious event.
 
Final word on this topic should be.....

At a event like Worlds or Nats..... Worldwide!

Everyone uses the same sleeves and everyone rolls/flips the same dice/coin....

Eliminates the whole problem!!!!!
 
I don't think one pack of possibly messed up sleeves should lead them to believe that they are defective. That would call to attention a poor product or business model, and diminish the value for prerelease/limited release sleeves. Perhaps this is why there was a walk-by inspection made. You can't just announce into the crowd that a product made and given to these players is possibly defective and useless, and possibly giving you a game loss.

Has no one here ever bought a pack of sleeves and had some damaged? Never bought an Ultra-Pro pack that had a bad run? I have- but I don't call the brand possibly defective. You should look at your sleeves when you sleeve a deck- period. It's very unfortunate to get a game loss for this though! At a Worlds level event, I think they could re-sleeve the deck, leave it in the same order, and things would be fine. A game loss though! Why not just replace the sleeves with other pokemon sleeves of the same kind and move on? You deemed it was unintentional, so do we really need to ruin a game for him so that we can teach him to check his sleeves better? Give him a prize penalty or something?

It takes a judge 5 minutes to re-sleeve an entirely new deck, and you can have another watch that to make sure it's being done correctly. I think it would be worth the delay at an invite-only, prestigious event.

Not sure of the exact details, but according to what has been posted, the approach documented above seemed the best way to deal with the incident.

Never really got to know you Gino, heard alot both good and bad, regardless its a shame to see a top tier player leave the game.

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Final word on this topic should be.....

At a event like Worlds or Nats..... Worldwide!

Everyone uses the same sleeves and everyone rolls/flips the same dice/coin....

Eliminates the whole problem!!!!!

Everyone having the same sleeves would lead to cards un/intentionally being taken (stadiums perhaps) etc.

Bad idea imo.
 
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Here is a similarly made deck, with 50 sleeves from one pack, and 10 from another:

[gal=48530]Ultra Pro Regigigas Sleeves[/gal]


And here they are from the side:

[gal=48531]Ultra Pro Regigigas Sleeves from the side[/gal]

This does not seem to be one pack with white edges.
There are many packs of each edge color.
 
Everyone having the same sleeves would lead to cards getting unintentionally being taken (stadiums perhaps) etc.

Bad idea imo.

Good call.... I didn't even think of that.....

I'd settle for a universal dice then..... No more funky rolling ones... LOL!

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Why would they even make Pokemon sleeves in packs of 50?

Economics 101....

Buy 2 packs... you have too many extras.....

Buy 3 packs... you have sleeves for 2 decks with extras for damages...

Vendor wins....

Any questions?
 
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You know, that game loss is just typically Khanh, he has a history of being very picky at rules and trying to get easy wins.

I know you would have beaten him, and ultimately, his unsporty behaviour afflicted me personally (I faced him the next round, drew dead+the match was an almost autoloss.)

Still, it was very nice meeting you, and though you had bad luck and opponents at worlds, you are an awesome guy, and I wish you the best in the future.

~Mikkel~
 
Buy 4 packs, you have enough for 3 decks and 20 extra. 200 is probably the best number..... back on subject.

Bummer on the game loss, another remainder to do your own Sleeve Check at nat's and worlds. I don't know if I would have caught it either. You try put new sleeves to be fresh.... No good deed goes unpunished.

Regarding Khanh or Gino, haven't played either of them or know them well, so I don't want to comment. But I know I don't respect anyone that is a nitpicker on rules and willing to angle for cheap wins on stuff like that versus a more gentelmanllyy attitude of getting the best game out of people....... It is like the guy who know's their opponent didn't lay prizes, and waits for the game state to be uncorrectable, then HAND UP & "JUDGE!". Most of the elite players just say whisper (put down the prizes), and let's go. Again in the highest events, I don't know what I would do, because most of us take the attitude of expect no quarter and thus, give no quarter.

Again, since I don't know Khanh or Gino, I won't put anything on Khahn, if he thought the cards were intentionally marked he had by right to call the judge. If he was just angeling for a cheap win, well, I said what I thought.

Maybe if they made those wins a forfiet without any "rating" impact, we would have more people playing honest and correcting their opponents misplays before they became uncorrectable.
 
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Why didn't Khane Le say something to you about it before the game started? Not saying that it is his job to do so but I would not want to win like that. I know there are some that do but where is the Spirit of the game?
 
It's very unfortunate to get a game loss for this though! At a Worlds level event, I think they could re-sleeve the deck, leave it in the same order, and things would be fine. A game loss though! Why not just replace the sleeves with other pokemon sleeves of the same kind and move on? You deemed it was unintentional, so do we really need to ruin a game for him so that we can teach him to check his sleeves better? Give him a prize penalty or something?

It takes a judge 5 minutes to re-sleeve an entirely new deck, and you can have another watch that to make sure it's being done correctly. I think it would be worth the delay at an invite-only, prestigious event.

That is what I would have ruled.

This is Worlds, the most prestigious tournament in the World. People come and represent their country by playing in the event. Giving a game loss for anything less than cheating / completely broken game state is wrong in my opinion.

If all 4 PokeDrawer or Rare Candy were in distorted sleeves, I could see the Game Loss, but if not, it seems to me that it was just random luck with a few Poke Drawer and Rare Candy being in the distorted sleeves, and that also depends on how many sleeves were distorted. 10-15 distorted sleeves would wipe out any idea of cheating for me if all 4 rare candies or poke drawers didn't make it into the 15-ish bad sleeves.

If I didn't feel the person was cheating, if there was nothing to make me think that way, I'd issue the same thing I'd issue at a City Championship, a deck re-sleeve. Like Ryan says, let a judge do it, and it shouldn't take too long.

If we eliminate the idea that the player was cheating, because the sleeve malfunction was labeled 'unintentional', than we can say that the player did nothing wrong. The player was given sleeves by TPCi, sleeved their deck roughly 24 hours or less before the tournament, and then proceeded to get a game loss because their sleeves were defected. The player showed up, played hard, and got a game loss because they did nothing wrong.

If this would had happened to me, I would not had continued to play for the remainder of the tournament. Props to Gino for not letting it ruin his day, but I do wonder if it didn't hurt his game subconsciously knowing that his chance to make top cut was affected by something he had little control over.

There should have been a deck check at Worlds. The number of participants are a lot less, and if judges can deck check whoever many people the day before Nationals, they can deck check all the decks the day before Worlds. If there would had been a deck check, this problem with the sleeves would have never happened.

If no deck check happened because they were confident that at this level there would be no cheating, than it isn't fair to assume one player is cheating with their sleeves 'unintentionally' marked and give a game loss for.

No disrespect to the judges, or TPCi, it is just how I feel.
 
Not to sound rude or anything, but didnt they have a deck check?? how did they not notice a different shade of sleeve or that the edges were different, and furthur more, how did YOU not notice.. I mean come on, its not that hard to spot a different shade of sleeve or messed up edges, and I believe the judges when they say they were marked with poke-drawers and rare candys. It's unbelievable how much people are trying to cheat now-a-day (not saying you are gino.) but trying to figure out how to stack etc, its just not the spirit of the game.
 
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