Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

The Shaft in Michigan

Someone just pointed out a rule that says to run 5 swiss rounds AND a Top 8 when you have 23-32 players. If that's true, I guess there should've been a Top 8 instead of Top 4 at this tournament.

Nevertheless, I can't seem to find this in the rules. Maybe only TOs have access to this document (something about how to run swiss tournaments).
 
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Conceding Match's that you are ahead in PRIZES on is wrong, and there OUGHT TO BE RULE AGAINST IT.

For your BUDDY to get into the FINAL four means that a more deserving player would not. That is Cheap.

Drew, how would you like it if the person who you played in the first Round decide to CONCEDE Everymatch just to screw with your Opponent's Win%. (Thought: "I don't like this Drew guy , I should concede my match just to keep him out of the top 4.)

Not enough rounds to determine a clear top 4, seems allot like the college Football BCS problem.

ID's were bad, it was good that they took them away.
 
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SLOW DECK said:
Conceding Match's that you are ahead in PRIZES on is wrong, and there OUGHT TO BE RULE AGAINST IT.

For your BUDDY to get into the FINAL four means that a more deserving player would not. That is Cheap.
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ok, i tryed to stay away from the reply button from this thread, this time i couldn't =x

so, Tom is a unworthy player? thats basicly what your saying. check your stats.

also

AGAINST THE RULES FOR CONCEEDING? How retarded are you?

im stopping here.
 
SteveP said:
Someone just pointed out a rule that says to run 5 swiss rounds AND a Top 8 when you have 23-32 players. If that's true, I guess there should've been a Top 8 instead of Top 4 at this tournament.

Nevertheless, I can't seem to find this in the rules. Maybe only TOs have access to this document (something about how to run swiss tournaments).
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Why are you so obsessed with finding something wrong with the way people do things? Seriously, every post I see from you, you're not even caring about the actual topic of the thread you turn it into how you'd do it better than ______ fill in the blank with who ever you're talking about at the moment. GIVE IT UP. Just back off seriously, I don't get why it's such a big deal to you to be better than everyone else... I really don't care if you get ****** by this, cause what I'm saying is true. Every post you make is "I'd do this better" then you spend the next _____ insert large number of posts trying to point out any flaws there might have been and if their aren't any you seem to just start making random assumptions to try and make some up. Like Chris said earlier stop kissing your own butt.
 
I find it interesting that some Professors can't handle criticism and take everything personally. OK, so in one post I said "such and such would never happen at a tournament I run." Perhaps it was a politically incorrect way to state my opinion.

Knowing how professional DGL is, I'll bet when he reads my post about the rules saying to run a Top 8 when there are 23-32 players, he's not going to be defensive, but rather he'll take this as a lesson-learned. Heck, I've admitted making a mistake last year when I choose to crown a CC champ based on the tiebreaker instead of running a playoff. I'm no better than anyone else. But at least I try to learn from my mistakes. If this rule about Top 8 for 23-32 players is indeed correct, a mistake was made. Learn from it and move on. Don't justify it or crucify the person who uncovered the mistake.
 
SLOW DECK said:
Conceding Match's that you are ahead in PRIZES on is wrong, and there OUGHT TO BE RULE AGAINST IT........
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What about this?

You have one more prize, your opponent has two prizes left.
Your turn. Time is called.
You can't KO a Pokemon for your final prize.
Given one more turn, your opponent can Pow! and KO your EX for the win.

You can't categorically reject every reason to concede when you're ahead on prizes. A nobler player might consider conceding in the preceeding example.

Rather than restricting the reasons for conceding, wouldn't it be more constructive to enumerate some examples where concessions are good? For example:

1. A parent playing a young child, or a match between spouses.
2. A game that you would've lost had time not been called.
3. You need to drop for some reason.
4. etc....
 
Final note. (Is that cheering I hear in the background?)

Hopefully you can take a lesson-learned from this JediDrew. The next time you consider conceding in the final round, check the standings. In your situation, I highly suspect that up thru the 4th round, your SOS (strength-of-schedule) tiebreaker was lower than the players with 1 loss under you in the standings. If that indeed was the case, then your loss in the final round (against a lower ranked player) and their wins (against equal or higher ranked players) meant they'd assureadly leapfrog you in the standings. With this knowlege in hand (comparison of SOS tiebreakers), you'll be able to make a more informed decision because you can better anticipate how a final round concession will hurt your standing.

Adieu.
 
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Players like drew only used IDs so they could be lazy and not try to win their last game.
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I really didnt want to reply to this but..

Jermy you know that saying that is complete naiveness on your part. Top players used there ID last round to Secure there place in a Top cut not because were lazy.

Last year I secured my T8 spot at 2 Gym Challenges and Nationals with an ID, I played till 4:30 in the MORNING at nationals does that make me lazy? I think not, I wanted to go to worlds, and be eligible to play if technically Earning a Tie with someone got me a step ahed then why not do it?

On a closing note Jermy, you have made it seem like you have never used an ID to get yourself ahead, honestly that is almost impressive and if its true congrats on doing it But... Look who was at worlds, and who wasnt.

tA
 
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SteveP said:
Someone just pointed out a rule that says to run 5 swiss rounds AND a Top 8 when you have 23-32 players. If that's true, I guess there should've been a Top 8 instead of Top 4 at this tournament.
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The Swiss Pairing document, which is currently only available to TOs, "is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules" (to quote a truly great film).

Yes, it does state that 5 rounds/top 8 is appropriate for 23-32 players, but not that its mandatory. TOs are free to adjust this as needed, to ensure that the event is run in a timely manner.

It also states that you should run 2 rounds/top 2 for 3-4 players. I don't imagine that happens too frequently (round robin would be more appropriate for that small of a tournament).

Again, the only thing that the Gillettes did wrong was run one more round than they should have, and even that was only half wrong. I think that if only 1 player out of 23 was unhappy, that's a much better outcome than running one fewer round and having 23 unhappy players.
 
Arrrgggg I hate when I get Challengend like this. What Movie was that from????

As far as the topic goes Too bad about getting put out of finals If your only interst is winning then play to win always if your there for fun then what you did for your friend was a nice thing to do. I wouldnt do it unless I knew for sure I could get in also or if I had no chance to get in.I was giving a win even though I was clearly beaten in the game I needed to win the next round and hope for a loss by a coulple of guys further up but then they all took ID's I felt so cheated.
 
Hmm Tied for 33rd was actually my final placing Jermy, and that was because of SPIRT OF THE GAME, and me essentially giving away a game.

Im not turning this into another argument with you Jermy its not worth my energy.

The only thing I was getting at was taking an ID didnt make you lazy, it made you feel safe, knowing you had a chance to compete for something. Many players didnt want to risk there chance at gaining a trip that was close to 1000$ then being a sport and playing the last game and losing because of a lone skitty or something. The Way i see it being able to ID was a sign of being comfortable with your skills because you had a good enough RECORD to be able to only take 1 out of a possible 3 points and still find yourself in the Top Cut.

Im done, its not worth it.
tA
 
Getting a bit hot in this topic.
Keep it respectful and drop the insults or locking and/or Temp Bans will be in order.
 
(I couldn't help myself and break my promise not to post here again, because M_Liesik doesn't take PM or emails)

M_Liesik, is it stated in guidelines or rules somewhere that swiss rounds should end after 1 lone player is undefeated? Should TOs not announce how many rounds will be held, but rather just tell the players that swiss will end when there's 1 lone undefeated? IMO, that seems a bit adhoc.

Regarding Top 8 for 23-32 players, I understand that TOs have some leeway when things like time are an issue. Knowing how good of a TO DGL is, I'm guessing he probably would've run Top 8 if this "guideline" had been brought to his attention at the tournament. Read his previous post. DGL stated he thought Top 8 (35%) was too high of a cut for 23 players. This "guideline" from an official POP document states otherwise.

BTW, the title of this document is "Pokémon Organized Play Swiss and Age Modified Swiss Pairing Procedures." To me, it sounds more than just a "guideline."
 
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I tried to stay away from Jermy becuase he has just been picking fights to try and get back at me. How is IDing lazy at all? It is the smart choice for anyone to make. If you don't take the ID with a trip on the line or something you can only call yourself stupid. Looking back you want say, "Wow I was a good sport." But in reality you'll say, "Wow look at the idiot I was for not securing my spot." Using an ID shows how advanced you are in the game that you know how to get everything legally out of the system.

I knew my resistance was crap. Thats why I waited until I knew the low resistance people won. I knew I'd be in either 4th or 5th place. I got burned and I'll live. Some of you seem to think actually winning this event meant a huge deal to me. Sure I'd like to have the medal but no big loss.

SteveP seriously we get the point. Stop trying to shove this round crap into our faces. If it happens more it'll be more than just YJ bashing you.
 
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You forget I won the last match so your arguement of winning all five rounds to adapt is pointless. I DID. I just concieded the last one before I won it. The thing is I remember on the ID thread on POP they said a person that lost the first two rounds couldn't pass somebody that lost the last two. I figured it sort of applied to me with two losses being one instead and top8 being top4.

I only played against one opponent that had an awful record. Which brought my whole resistance down. I cannot help who I played. The only person I played that was even argueably bad was round 1, and his deck seriously wasnt 0-4 bad. Off days happen. You are always telling me to stop calling people bad and look what you are doing.

POP tried to fix a program that wasnt broken. Look who was whining back then, all the people that missed the cut. If they got it to change, it can be changed back.
 
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Yeah I kept being told I had the best all around deck and due to 2 of the worst god awful first hand draws in all history I went 3-3 for the day but vengance will be mine!!!
 
You can't help those who don't want to be helped. Someone thinks they got shafted despite all our efforts (using facts and rules) to show otherwise.

Bottom line. You shafted yourself. Deal with it and move on.

No use discussing anything further with this author.
 
I just fear that 1) after reading this thread, 2)With the absence of ID's and 3) Ongoing distrust/ or lack of knowledge of the POP computer rankings, that Pokemon games will be more cut-throat and the fun competitveness edge taken away from this game and then we will be in a losing situation.
 
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