if the game was for nothing but fun, we'd play turbo seedot and igglybuff cg swarm at events. that sounds like fun. though there is an element of fun involved, it usually has nothing to do with the game itself. the fun i have at events comes from hangin out with my friends and acting crazy. the game is fun, yes, but you PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. this has been stated many times before and it always will ring true. if you play for fun, it's because you don't win. simple as that.
This just in... USA wins all 8 ratings invites from N.A.
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Why is it that this whole thread is complaining about the same thing.
Maybe cos' its true. partly.
you see, America had a city championship every 10 square metres and 50+ state championships. so of course people are going to go to lots of CC's and some States. so bada bing bada boom. the awnser? because America has so many premier events, of course they will dominate the rankings.
America should be seperated from the rest of the Worlds OP like Japan =D
EDIT: And Jimmy, you say that you aren't arrogant or cocky, I think your post kinda proved you are. The game was meant or fun, otherwise it would have been called "Win At All Costs Pokemon TCG". Just because you came second at Worlds doesnt mean you can act like you are.
Maybe cos' its true. partly.
you see, America had a city championship every 10 square metres and 50+ state championships. so of course people are going to go to lots of CC's and some States. so bada bing bada boom. the awnser? because America has so many premier events, of course they will dominate the rankings.
America should be seperated from the rest of the Worlds OP like Japan =D
EDIT: And Jimmy, you say that you aren't arrogant or cocky, I think your post kinda proved you are. The game was meant or fun, otherwise it would have been called "Win At All Costs Pokemon TCG". Just because you came second at Worlds doesnt mean you can act like you are.
Mystery Thing
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I hate to break it to you, but comparing a Pokémon player to a professional athlete is just sheer idiocy.
And yes, I dare say that professional athletes ARE playing for fun. Would you like to practice and play the same game all day every day if it wasn't fun? Of course they also compete for championships, endorsements, and the like. But they wouldn't do any of it if they didn't think it was also fun.
Talk about welcome to the real world. -_-
I said "Have fun!" not play for fun. I think you might had read that incorrectly. I did say, "Play the game to play the game." Meaning to play the game for the sole reason to play the game and do the best you can at it (which means trying you best at winning). But don't play the game to gloat and make others feel bad.
Jimmy, you sound upset. There's no need to really blow this out of proportion.
Tournaments are there to see which person plays the best/has the best luck/matchups that day. And they are there for people to play the game for the sole reasons I mentioned above (to play at their best AND to have fun). Any kind of gloating coming out of it is only adopted by players because they choose to adopt it. And having some pride isn't exactly gloating either. Repeating a thousand times that your the undefeated national champion (sorry Martin, no hate directed) might be showing pride, but it can also be taken as gloating and putting others down.
You mention professional sports. You might think I might try to say something like, "oh, apples and oranges." But actually I agree somewhat. Look at the teams that wear t-shirts with their team on it. It's there to advertise that there team is the best and that they are there to win the tournament. Look at ShuffleandCut, who gave out shirts to some of the best players in the game in an effort to advertise their website when those people made the top cut and people watched them and/or took photos of them. There is an appeal in this game to take your records and standings and list them to show that your a good player. I think that's great, and I don't try to stop anyone from doing it.
But when a person starts putting others down in an effort to make themselves look better, that is where I am drawing the line. To say something like, "Of course the USA won all the invites, they are just better than the canadian and mexican players," really takes it away from pride or self-esteem and starts turning it into discrimination, and pure disrespect for other players in the game. There's no way to know if the USA players are better than the canadian players or the mexican players from the results of just a few tournaments.
And there is no need to know if the american players are better than the canadian players or mexican players, because it doesn't matter. All players should play the game for the same reasons and have respect for their opponents (not just the day of the tournament, but a month later when they are 200 miles away from them). And if one truly has respect for their fellow players, they won't try to put them down for having less skill (just to make themselves look better).
That's all I mean.
sdrawkcab
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Jimmy & Prime, keep in mind that Canada had 1st and 9th seed at worlds last year in Masters.
The other problem in directly compare the skill level of players between Canada and the US is that Canadian players aren't playing in Americian tournaments aside from worlds. There is no was you can look at the top 8 in Rankings and say those are the best 8 players in NA. Yes, they all are good players, but they've also played many more rounds then possible in Canada.
As Mystery thing pointed out, being a consitant player in Canada IS NOT good enough. I'm the only Canadian to make the finals at every tournament this season, and I would have to have a 31-1 record to be in the top 8 of NA. Gordon has won 6 out of 8 tournaments this year and isn't even in the top 50.
I found this post to be rather arrogent of the situation, and arrogent to anyone trying to show a flaw in the system. Participating in the privious three world championships has nothing to do with the topic, even if you did earned it. The objective of this topic was to point how little chance ANY Canadian or Mexican has at earning an invite other than nationals. Regarless of skill.
The other problem in directly compare the skill level of players between Canada and the US is that Canadian players aren't playing in Americian tournaments aside from worlds. There is no was you can look at the top 8 in Rankings and say those are the best 8 players in NA. Yes, they all are good players, but they've also played many more rounds then possible in Canada.
As Mystery thing pointed out, being a consitant player in Canada IS NOT good enough. I'm the only Canadian to make the finals at every tournament this season, and I would have to have a 31-1 record to be in the top 8 of NA. Gordon has won 6 out of 8 tournaments this year and isn't even in the top 50.
I found this post to be rather arrogent of the situation, and arrogent to anyone trying to show a flaw in the system. Participating in the privious three world championships has nothing to do with the topic, even if you did earned it. The objective of this topic was to point how little chance ANY Canadian or Mexican has at earning an invite other than nationals. Regarless of skill.
dogma, Rainbowgym explained it well. The US has the largest number of great players. With those odds in our favor, it's easy to see why we get more invitations. Not necessarily that we're the best in the World, just that with so MANY great players, the odds are, we're going to be tough to beat at Worlds.
Simply put.... If you're not from the US and want to be the World Champ, you're going to have to beat lots of great US players, more so, much more so than any other country.
Simply put.... If you're not from the US and want to be the World Champ, you're going to have to beat lots of great US players, more so, much more so than any other country.
What I mean here is...Let me give you the PERFECT examples.....
Pablo...he understands the system is flawed. He also understands that by staying in an under-developed area will almost shatter his hopes at attending worlds. What does he do??? He goes to California and takes theirs.. STONES MAN!!! He is DOING WHAT IT TAKES to ensure he has just as much of a shot as anyone else. He is NOT gonna be a victim of a flawed system. He is TAKING advantage of EVERY oppritunity instead of Whining about it.
Lia is another perfect example of the above.... If things arent right at home...take it from someone else... She is also DOING WHAT IT TAKES...(props to her)!!! (i cant say without complaining) but never-the-less she is not being held down by a flawed system.
To those who think I am mad .... I am not.... Please do not mistake my PASSION and determination to get people off their butts and DO something about their situations, (poor deck, poor playing, bad system, etc...) for anger. I will continue to try and drive home my point.... Dont be a victim.... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.....(griping on the gym doesnt qualify) This is whats wrong with the world today. No wonder the poor stay poor.
Others are doing it without complaint...STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY!!!!
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Wow. That sounds so easy!
Rainbowgym
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Jimmy -
You cannot say I did nothing about it, heck I even got suspended because of my attempts to chance things.
If I was only thinking/taking care of the 4 players I am the "mother" of, I don't have to complain.
I just drop them in a car/plane and attend to a tournament which forfills our needs (but not always possible because of closed tournament so that's why I complain).
I just want to see a system which is less flawed, a system were you don't have to do what it takes to get a normal (more equal) chance.
I try to proof my points and it takes a lot time/money/effort, but maybe one day people will listen and understand.
For the rest, I'm just insane I think.
You cannot say I did nothing about it, heck I even got suspended because of my attempts to chance things.
If I was only thinking/taking care of the 4 players I am the "mother" of, I don't have to complain.
I just drop them in a car/plane and attend to a tournament which forfills our needs (but not always possible because of closed tournament so that's why I complain).
I just want to see a system which is less flawed, a system were you don't have to do what it takes to get a normal (more equal) chance.
I try to proof my points and it takes a lot time/money/effort, but maybe one day people will listen and understand.
For the rest, I'm just insane I think.
Time to Elaborate on my post a bit more.
Here in Australia, Consistency, Oh sure, I have won Cities and States,but hey look, I am only 2nd in my Age Division by ONE LITTLE POINT!!! IN THE WHOLE OF ASIA PACIFIC!!! and Overall I am 4th in Asia Pacific. And, if POP didnt introduce a bunch of other countries to our region, REDUCE OUR INVITES FROM 2 TO 1 PER AGE GROUP!!!!! Then all might be a bit better.
You see all the top spots here in Asia Pacific are made from Tasmanians (except for me =D) why? because they have OVER 70 PEOPLE just at a LEAGUE session!!!!
THEY have numbers, Numbers = More Points. Here in Brisbane, we have what, maybe 8 people MAX. the biggest non premier tournament we had was 15 people. and the biggest premier event had what...32 people? The reason that contributes to the League I go to not having many people is this, the League Leader and some of the people there. The League Leader yells all the time, complains all the time, swears, gets people into trouble for the stupidest of things, *AND* he will bend the rules to make him win *AND* lets not forget that he will get picky just to win, he will make it a prize card penalty for the smallest of things. THAT drives people away. Our League could have been the biggest League in Australia, if it wasnt for the League Leader we have, *AND* a certain member there who...throws...alot...of...tantrums...but we will not get into details of that person. We have had over 80 people come, and never come back.
Now Jimmy is the face of the game at the moment, people look up to him, I saw a little kid at Supanova (a nerd convention =D) whom once he saw I played Pokemon he told me "Jimmy Ballard is so cool, I want to be just like him!" now Jimmy, acting like whatever you say and do doesnt affect anyone *WILL* damage the game. YOU are one of the few faces of the game at the moment Jimmy, the game can be damaged beyond repair with all of these things you say and do. (But me...I'm a Jeremy Maron fanboy =D)
So, now the conclusion to that part is pretty simple, to have big numbers you have to have friendly LL's and great members. So maybe that is why America is so big? because all the LL's there are friendly? because they all get along? Everyone who plays will listen to the players who have won Worlds or the like, If people see that person as an arrogant, cocky ignoramus, then the game will be shown as an arrogant cocky theme park. who knows. there might be more to this slice of bread than just wheat.
Now as for this whole debate on whether Canada should be seperated from the US.
I think the US should be its own region. end of story. nothing like Malta in it, no Canada, Just USA. Canada should be its own region.
Canada can't compare to the US at all. with the fewer premier events. It's just...Wrong.
Signing out for now, but not forever,
Krucifier
You must have misunderstood what I was saying... You ARE the example most need to be like in order to achieve their goals. YOU DID NOT LET ANYTHING stand in yor way!!!
WAy to go....
Jimmy
sdrawkcab
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So Jimmy let me get this straight, you're telling me that because Pablo and Lia have the assiets and capability to travle to other countrys and even continents, that every one else who lives in the same situation yet wants to play pokemon at a competitive level should either spend a $1000 + on this game each season, or simply shut up and let those who have the money to travle rack up the points?
Well if that is the case, any player in masters between the ages of 15-18 who are trying to save for a university or colledge education should shutup and stop pointing out the fact that they have litterally no chance to attend worlds aside from Nationals.
Its not like I play at one tournament a season, I've been to every premiere event in Alberta for the last 3 years. This will also be my third year attending CDN Nationals. Implying that I'm simply a whiner and not willing to take actions to improve my situation is injust and inaccurate. All I'm trying to do in this thread is bring our situation into the public eye. (which is considered DOing is in not?)
Well if that is the case, any player in masters between the ages of 15-18 who are trying to save for a university or colledge education should shutup and stop pointing out the fact that they have litterally no chance to attend worlds aside from Nationals.
Its not like I play at one tournament a season, I've been to every premiere event in Alberta for the last 3 years. This will also be my third year attending CDN Nationals. Implying that I'm simply a whiner and not willing to take actions to improve my situation is injust and inaccurate. All I'm trying to do in this thread is bring our situation into the public eye. (which is considered DOing is in not?)
Well, I'd say being ranked high amongst thousands of your peers aint so easy either!
Rainbowgym
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I have to spend already $1000+ ONLY to ATTEND tournaments on ENTRANCEFEE. (and this is without prereleases)
So not counting gas/tickets/cards.
Your situation is not even close to mine, it never was.
Rainbowgym, SteveP, I think I haven't been clear in my posts, but I agree with (most) of what you guys are saying. But the history thing was good to know, Lia, so thanks.
Jimmy, you need to learn some semblance of sportsmanship, fast. Professional athletes (if whom I've met quite a dew) do not brag, and will always try to portray their sport in the best possible way. Is that what you're doing here?
I still think that POP needs to be given a chance. Dave came here and explained the situation (and TBH, it was nice for him to do so). OP has definitely improved... let's hope it improves further. In the meantime, I guess Lia's strategy of never letting up is the only sensible thing to do. They can ignore her forever now, can they? :tongue:
Jimmy, you need to learn some semblance of sportsmanship, fast. Professional athletes (if whom I've met quite a dew) do not brag, and will always try to portray their sport in the best possible way. Is that what you're doing here?
I still think that POP needs to be given a chance. Dave came here and explained the situation (and TBH, it was nice for him to do so). OP has definitely improved... let's hope it improves further. In the meantime, I guess Lia's strategy of never letting up is the only sensible thing to do. They can ignore her forever now, can they? :tongue:
NoPoke
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Is it possible to make it fair to all given the nature of the multiple variables above? Of course it isn't. In many ways POPs task in trying to reward players with invites to worlds is an impossible task. Damned when they Do and Damned when they don't.
So please don't tell me that because there are more/fewer <insert country/region> players in the rating system that ...... follows. The numbers may be true but the underlying assumptions make the numbers not worth comparing.
Level playing fields don't exist.
Life is tough/unfair. Sometimes very unfair.
My biggest concern would be that in operating a ratings system the fun goes out of the game. Its important that Pokémon doesn't start to feel like 'work'. Play to win or don't bother playing eliminates a significant number of POPs current customers. Not a good indicator for the long term if the 10 and unders (ie families) are your primary market. But thats JMHO.
I haven't even mentioned the consequences of organiser burnout.
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