Sorry to for it to come off as rude. I just think John Deserves more credit than he's getting for his deck.
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Sorry to for it to come off as rude. I just think John Deserves more credit than he's getting for his deck.
KazamBolt
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Well, for everyone else, the idea originated from Japan and the Hydreigon/Darkrai deck. Stemming from that is the Klinklang deck that started winning Spring Battle Roads that everyone knows.
If John discovered the deck much earlier, props to him. However, no one will know that unless someone points it out. And even so, its not even a totally rogue or new deck now so you can't expect a ton of credit there.
However, he did win the largest Pokemon tournament in history. He deserves credit for that.
JPN Gallade
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It was just Klinklang EX.
Croatian_Nidoking
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Based on the same principles as a certain deck does not necessarily equal directly derived from that same deck.
Any way, congrats to Mr. Roberts and all the wonderful folks who attended and staffed Nats! Good luck at Worlds and beyond!
- Croatian_Nidoking
Any way, congrats to Mr. Roberts and all the wonderful folks who attended and staffed Nats! Good luck at Worlds and beyond!
- Croatian_Nidoking
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honchvire
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It doesn't really matter who came up with what deck. John Roberts is a great guy, one of the nicest people you will ever play. My favorite moment from Top Cut was when John was about to drop KyogreEX to double KO some Tynamos. He said something along the lines of "I'm really sorry for this, but..."
He has worked hard, playing basically the same deck in different iterations for most of the season. I remember during Fall BRs/Cities his Klinklang deck had Scizor Prime and Zoroark(to deal with pesky Reshirams) and it has evolved and changed from there. John has some major courage, playing pokemon that have weakness to arguably the most popular types in the format(Scizor during the early Tyram dominance and KyogreEX when Zekeels was vying for BDIF).
In this day and age with so many players, there are very few completely original ideas. Someone is bound to come up with the same combo/idea as you, but it takes a player with a ton of skill, courage and a little bit of luck to take that concept to a major event and walk away with top honors.
Great Job John! I'll see you at league on wednesday.
Also:
In St. Louis, any Klinklang + Attackers deck is referred to as a "John Roberts Deck" and has been for as long as I can remember. I don't even know what a KlingklangEX is.
PPS:
Its Klinklang not Klingklang.
He has worked hard, playing basically the same deck in different iterations for most of the season. I remember during Fall BRs/Cities his Klinklang deck had Scizor Prime and Zoroark(to deal with pesky Reshirams) and it has evolved and changed from there. John has some major courage, playing pokemon that have weakness to arguably the most popular types in the format(Scizor during the early Tyram dominance and KyogreEX when Zekeels was vying for BDIF).
In this day and age with so many players, there are very few completely original ideas. Someone is bound to come up with the same combo/idea as you, but it takes a player with a ton of skill, courage and a little bit of luck to take that concept to a major event and walk away with top honors.
Great Job John! I'll see you at league on wednesday.
Also:
In St. Louis, any Klinklang + Attackers deck is referred to as a "John Roberts Deck" and has been for as long as I can remember. I don't even know what a KlingklangEX is.
PPS:
Its Klinklang not Klingklang.
Need I shoot you in the head?
This seems to disrespect the entire Finnish community (including Esa imo). It says that the only good Finnish player is Esa and thus his wins mean nothing.
Finland has 2x worlds (1 in masters) wins and other European countries have 0 in Masters. And Esa got neither (no disrespect Esa). Finland always does well at worlds being one of the top 5 countries every time when taking into account overall player scores for the whole countries. And you pretty much just say everyone in Finland is bad.
I don't care if that was a joke or not, it was completely out of place.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
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lost to klinklang in top 8 if for some awkward reason any1 cares i played darkrai/mewtwo/tornadus(the tornadus was more of a tech but he won me t16 so he gets mentioned) lol.
baby mario
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99% of the time it's impossible to say who 'invented' a deck. Mainly because many players come up with similar ideas independently all over the world.
No-one knows who invented Luxchomp, but most remember that Yuta won Worlds with it.
Same thing applies here. Mr Roberts built his deck and won US Nats with it. He's going to deserve all the praise and credit he gets for that.
It's a silly thing to argue over. All that needs to be said is congrats on the achievement.
No-one knows who invented Luxchomp, but most remember that Yuta won Worlds with it.
Same thing applies here. Mr Roberts built his deck and won US Nats with it. He's going to deserve all the praise and credit he gets for that.
It's a silly thing to argue over. All that needs to be said is congrats on the achievement.
dancingaway
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I think you misunderstand.
Like most people, i am aware of how well Finland has done in Worlds over the years and you're right that, as a country, it has a good history at worlds.
However, Esa has won Finnish Nats 6 times. In fact he has only not won it once! Therefore i think it's completely fair to assume that Esa is, far and away, in terms of Nats, the most consistent player in Finland and the most likely to win.
What he's saying is that just because Esa won with a deck is not necessarily indicative of a "best deck in format" because, as history has proven over the last 7 years, Esa tends to win, regardless of the deck he plays.
No disrespect to Finland whatsoever, but you can't deny that Esa almost invariably wins Finnish Nats. Therefore, saying a deck might not be AMAZING because he won Finnish Nats with it is a fair comment. I'm willing to bet he'll win next year, regardless of what he plays.
P.s. Congrats Esa!
If this is the case then I have no problem with this, but also there is a problem in this that somewhat contradicts the point. I dare say Esa would not win so much if he played any deck (ie when he played Uxie donk or Durant he flopped). He has to play a good deck which works well in the Finnish metagame to win. So imo he did play the best deck for the metagame there was.
I just had a problem with the insulting exaggeration.
jeffrey123
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This is why the gym has a bad reputation. Why argue about something so stupid?
Congrats to John on the win. Top cut will always have games decided on top decks, as well as flips. If you are bothered by it, don't play. Very simple solution.
When I saw John top deck the Kling Klang, I already knew the business
*coin flips* Shizam!
Congrats to John on the win. Top cut will always have games decided on top decks, as well as flips. If you are bothered by it, don't play. Very simple solution.
When I saw John top deck the Kling Klang, I already knew the business
*coin flips* Shizam!
Bigbowlr1037
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I did not mean to offend finland by any means. I love his blog and without it my first season wouldnt have been as good. My statement was more to point out the fact that the metagame in at each tournament was completely different. In a 70 person tournament its easier to tech against certain decks. But in the 1005 master US nationals you cant take 6 spots in your deck in anticipation of a deck. My statement of "esa always win finland" was just to point out that he knows his meta better then anyone else in finland and i think him winning 6 of 7 nationals makes that a fact. The reshiram ex comment was a joke that was in poor taste.
Ok good. No hard feelings?
Cyrus
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My loss to John R. was devastating, and the specifics of that match put me further on tilt the more I think about them. However, one of the few good things about that series was precisely what Honchvire says: John R is a very nice guy, very complimentary, and an overall good person to be winning Nationals (in that regard, he reminds me of Justin S).
Best of luck to him at Worlds - I know he'll do great.
The_$hocker
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I am so glad to see John Roberts win nationals.
For all you haters out there, I played against John when he first started playing Klinklang and Scizor. He has been playing the Klinklang mechanic ever since it came out, even back when Typhlosion was popular. He played it WAY before Japanese nationals. I remember playing with him and telling him that with Typlosion being so popular that metal isn't a good idea right now to play. How times have changed.
I can tell you his deck building idea was all him and did not get the idea from anyone else or anywhere else.
I can also vouch for John being one of the nicest Pokemon players that I have ever played against.
Sometimes nice guys DO finish first.
- Jeremy & Emily Juenger
(The_$hocker)
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Top 128 - 2011 US Nationals (as a Pokeparent)
For all you haters out there, I played against John when he first started playing Klinklang and Scizor. He has been playing the Klinklang mechanic ever since it came out, even back when Typhlosion was popular. He played it WAY before Japanese nationals. I remember playing with him and telling him that with Typlosion being so popular that metal isn't a good idea right now to play. How times have changed.
I can tell you his deck building idea was all him and did not get the idea from anyone else or anywhere else.
I can also vouch for John being one of the nicest Pokemon players that I have ever played against.
Sometimes nice guys DO finish first.
- Jeremy & Emily Juenger
(The_$hocker)
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Top 128 - 2011 US Nationals (as a Pokeparent)