(Un)Official 2009 Worlds Grinder Thread
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Make sure you have proof of what you post and not just what you heard.
Post proof and not hearsay or rumors.
Facts:
Yamato runs like a god-
I watched a game of his from the Grinder when he was playing vs Whicker, Yamato used Flygon/Weavile and Whicker was using some form of Gengar. Yamato Dark Engages a Flygon and Sand Walls for 70. Whicker does whatever. Yamato next turn Roseanne's for an Uxie and an energy, plays Uxie, thinks for a second, and confidently plays the energy on a bench Flygon, Dark Engages the Flygon, and Sand Walls again, taking the Fainting Spell flip. Of course Whicker flips tails because Yamato runs so good. Why would Yamato take the flip when he could just Dark Engage Uxie and NOT take the flip? I dunno! Whicker, can you enlighten us?!
In T32 vs Ross, they went to sudden death game 3. Ross has the game easily, but wiffs Cyrus/SP Radar/Luxray X off like 10 cards on the 2nd turn. Yamato then top decks Claydol, Cosmics, hits Duskull/Candy/Bebe and Dark Palms the Luxray on Ross's bench. Ross ends up winning anyway, but I wish I ran like that, jeeze.
And those are the ONLY 2 game I watched Yamato play, I can't imagine how he ran in all of his other games.
I'm not going to get too far into the fact that he got a bye the first round of the grinder, how he was an alternate and another Japanese player ended up not playing, and that there were 129 Masters in Worlds.
Overrated.
/end rant
Yamato runs like a god-
I watched a game of his from the Grinder when he was playing vs Whicker, Yamato used Flygon/Weavile and Whicker was using some form of Gengar. Yamato Dark Engages a Flygon and Sand Walls for 70. Whicker does whatever. Yamato next turn Roseanne's for an Uxie and an energy, plays Uxie, thinks for a second, and confidently plays the energy on a bench Flygon, Dark Engages the Flygon, and Sand Walls again, taking the Fainting Spell flip. Of course Whicker flips tails because Yamato runs so good. Why would Yamato take the flip when he could just Dark Engage Uxie and NOT take the flip? I dunno! Whicker, can you enlighten us?!
In T32 vs Ross, they went to sudden death game 3. Ross has the game easily, but wiffs Cyrus/SP Radar/Luxray X off like 10 cards on the 2nd turn. Yamato then top decks Claydol, Cosmics, hits Duskull/Candy/Bebe and Dark Palms the Luxray on Ross's bench. Ross ends up winning anyway, but I wish I ran like that, jeeze.
And those are the ONLY 2 game I watched Yamato play, I can't imagine how he ran in all of his other games.
I'm not going to get too far into the fact that he got a bye the first round of the grinder, how he was an alternate and another Japanese player ended up not playing, and that there were 129 Masters in Worlds.
Overrated.
/end rant
jeesh i wish i had 1/2 that luck....i would've top cutted Nats if that was the case lol
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Magnechu: I think you're thinking of another person, because, according to an Oklahoman friend of mine, Whicker couldn't even go to Worlds this year due to a flight delay.
But unfortunately, a lot of what Magnechu says is accurate. Regardless of skill level, it's so unlikely that all of these things culminate for one player's qualification in the LCQ. After all, just how does the golden boy of PCL end up getting the first round bye in an event of that size?
Not to mention the Inviting Trap debacle...How can the entire non-Japanese Pokemon TCG world have had a ruling like that wrong for several years, and not see it go unchallenged until Yamato's game in the LCQ?
Perhaps the suspicions that are circulating could be settled through much better communication between the Japanese and non-Japanese branches of the game. After all, I (and many others) have been playing competitively for over five years and still know next to nothing about how things truly work there.
But unfortunately, a lot of what Magnechu says is accurate. Regardless of skill level, it's so unlikely that all of these things culminate for one player's qualification in the LCQ. After all, just how does the golden boy of PCL end up getting the first round bye in an event of that size?
Not to mention the Inviting Trap debacle...How can the entire non-Japanese Pokemon TCG world have had a ruling like that wrong for several years, and not see it go unchallenged until Yamato's game in the LCQ?
Perhaps the suspicions that are circulating could be settled through much better communication between the Japanese and non-Japanese branches of the game. After all, I (and many others) have been playing competitively for over five years and still know next to nothing about how things truly work there.
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And someone else got the bye the next round, and so on and so on until people started dropping.
Someone has to get the bye.
brendan2236
New Member
Just for the sake of clarity, are you saying this was some sort of PCL conspiracy to sneak Yamato into Worlds?
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Kettler,
You are WAY off base here. Along with narrating the event on the Gym, I was also the person running the computer for the Masters. After hitting the button to pair the first round I checked the pairings and my reaction was "OMG, Yamato got the bye, how crazy is that". I had a similar reaction when TOM paired my son Aaron up against John Silvestro in round 2, except it went like "Crap, these two play test all month and now one of them is going to knock the other out of the LCQ"
Both of these events had a minute probability of occuring, but they did. I could have easily changed the pairings for either round but I would never disrupt the integrity of the event.
You are somewhat right about Yamato getting special treatment at Worlds. He is a World Champion, a Great Ambassador for the game, and an amazing player. This is why, in the past, he has been a part of the promotional videos and had a special "Play the Champ" table so that anyone could challenge him. BUT, once his name gets entered into TOM he is just a random player, subect the to sometimes illogical randomization provided by TOM.
Heck, we even had Sammy Sosa playing in the Junior Division. Bigger name but the same treatment. Once the tournament starts, a player is a player, and all of them are treated equally.
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Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
I'd be off base to claim that there's a PCL conspiracy, because there's no proof of that; however, I am totally on base to broadcast my suspicions, and am on base in trying to get someone such as yourself to clarify whether those suspicions are founded or not.
...And isn't it so bizarre that there are still horrible communication issues between the U.S. and Japan, even five years after the first World Championship?
The real contention I'm making is that communication between the Japanese and non-Japanese branches of the game needs to be improved. If it "is" improved, then you won't have so many people with doubts about Yamato getting "special treatment" when he misplays the action of Inviting Trap, and some of the negative mystique that revolves around his name will instantly evaporate.
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Pidgeotto Trainer
New Member
What's the Inviting Trap issue? Did some ruling change? And all 4 alternates were let in, and there were 130 players in Masters.
This is true. Sorry, Mikey, but it wasn't me at all.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Yamato tried to Inviting Trap against an opponent who Guarded his active Pokemon. It was then claimed that in Japan, you can actually use Inviting Trap regardless of "prevent all effects" clauses on the active Pokemon, which would reverse rulings that go as far back to Wobbuffet Sandstorm, and perhaps even further (Lily Pad Mew).
But instead of distorting time and space, they just let Yamato take back his move, rather than stick to the normal policy of forcing it to fizzle.
Kenshin's Garde
Active Member
i swear someone is cloning all the big players in the game. first jeremy, then whicker . . . who's NEXT?!?!?!
drrty byl
New Member
How many Masters were there for the first round of the grinder? 483/487/489? ~.02% chance of any player receiving the Bye, and it just so happens to be a Goldenboy.
So objectively -- that's just some amazingly good luck. Heck, the guy has to be lucky to have consistently done well playing Pokemon.
But coupled with the reversal of the Inviting Trap ruling [which was then NOT extended to other players in the tournament the following day], along with admitting all alternate players to the main event (honestly, I don't think anyone grinding would ever complain about MORE invites -- I'm not), makes obvious that there's some organizational manipulation occurring in Tsugyoshi Y.'s favor.
Special treatment for celebrities is good marketing.
So objectively -- that's just some amazingly good luck. Heck, the guy has to be lucky to have consistently done well playing Pokemon.
But coupled with the reversal of the Inviting Trap ruling [which was then NOT extended to other players in the tournament the following day], along with admitting all alternate players to the main event (honestly, I don't think anyone grinding would ever complain about MORE invites -- I'm not), makes obvious that there's some organizational manipulation occurring in Tsugyoshi Y.'s favor.
Special treatment for celebrities is good marketing.
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Rainbowgym
Active Member
Who let Y take back his move?
If it was his opponent, it's fine.
But a judge should not allow this ever.