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How are they being ripped. The posting states they are WC cards. They can post what the cards are worth to themselves.

And yes i think it is wrong but not much can be done when they say what the cards are from.
 
A lot of people, myself included, look only at the titles and don't read the description closely enough.

On more than one occasion I have purchased something, been surprised by what I received, only to re-check the description and found that description to be accurate.

HOWEVER... when they do intentionally misleading (well describe in posts #6 and #7 by PokePop and Prodigal Fanboy, respectively) then that is a different issue entirely.

These people have no shame.
 
evil psyduck said:
How are they being ripped. The posting states they are WC cards. They can post what the cards are worth to themselves.

And yes i think it is wrong but not much can be done when they say what the cards are from.
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Either you're not understanding the English, or you really believe it's okay to mislead.

If this seller is merely ignorant and hasn't researched the true value of these cards, then she/he won't last long in Ebay.

Generally, shoppers are savvy and aren't easily fooled. But that's not always the case.

Yesterday at Church, I was asked by a fellow church-goer about what to get her Pokemon-loving grandkid who lived in the boonies. She was a bit clueless about what was a good Pokemon product. If she read this Ebay mis-representation, she would've been fooled into thinking it was something of great value; something to be cherished on Christmas morning by her grandkid. How disheartening would that have been!? :eek:

IMO, this seller is either dishonest or just plain ignorant.
 
SteveP said:
IMO, this seller is either dishonest or just plain ignorant.
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I don't buy the "Gee, I didn't know" excuse. At least one of these sellers had all the Lv X's from each deck up in separate auctions. Would he have us believe he paid hundreds of dollars to buy the cards to resell them? Much more plausible is he bought some WC decks, took them apart and posted what would be the money cards in the legal deck.
 
I find this completely disgusting. There's not really much more to say... no, what he's doing isn't against the law, but at the same time, it goes against common human decency. The information that the card is WC is included in the auction, along with the information that it's worth... $30? One of these things is true. At best, the conflict of information is intended to confuse the buyer.
 
FunnyBear said:
Its called moral outrage, but you actually have to have morals to understand it. Are you one of the people ripping people off? You seem a little more passionate about my concerns than you should be.
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No, my ebay is iwantit as it has been since very early 1998. What I'm saying is this:


Cavaet emptor! If you don't have the time to read a description, or even look at a picture, which has WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS CARD or WC CARD that size and color and you make a foolish purchase, you have no one to blame but yourself and you shouldn't retaliate for your laziness by giving someone negative feedback. The premise of selling these cards is quite shady, however when the card is described EXTREMELY properly, regardless of the seller's stated value and without confirming what to expect, and you buy it out of your personal stupidity- Whose fault is it you bought it? I guarantee the seller didn't click the mouse for you.

PokePop said:
Wow.
You guys have no sympathy for the poor souls that are doing their best on ebay, buying their kids the cool card that they want, thinking that they are getting a fair deal, when really they're getting ripped off?
Spirit of the Game, guys.
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No- I don't have the sympathy for the adult buyer. It tells me the parent should be less self absorbed and instead be more involved with, and truly interested in, the activities of their children instead of quickly placating them as cheaply as they can- then they wouldn't make those kinds of mistakes. In fact, it teaches a very valuable life lesson. Let's look at it from another, albeit extreme, angle- You rob a bank and you are facing a hefty sentence. Are you gonna stand in front of the judge and say "Do over! I'm innocent because I didn't know it was against the law!" when the law was clearly obvious, and in large bold print right there at the teller window?

As to SotG, that doesn't apply here. That is commerce and like all business they are out to maximize their profits. I get really tired of people blaming others for their short-comings when the blame clearly falls on the shoulders of the individual.
 
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So what you're saying is the uninitiated do not have any business buying Pokemon cards and if they do so and get ripped off, its their own fault. After all, Caveot Emptor. There are some other hobbies that have this attitude toward new people. Coin collecting is one of them. Almost everyone in the hobby has a story, often multiple stories, of getting ripped off when they were learning. Coin collecting has been in steady decline since the '80s as the influx of "fresh meat" has not matched the experienced hobbiests leaving in disgust with the quality of people they have to deal with. Is this the kind of future you want for Pokemon?
 
"WC card"?
What is a "WC card"? A Water Closet card?

I don't find that to be an adequate description. After all, he was able to spell out the name of the set that he was trying to mislead the buyer into thinking that it came from, but for the critical phrase that would identify it as a relatively valueless card, all he can spell is .... "WC".

Really? That's fair?
 
Waynegg - I would buy the WC Card defense in description if the seller also hadn't acted like it was from a set "Legends Awakened" in particular, nor had they, in the case of the Uxie X, used a pack Uxie X as the picture on the lot.
 
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So what you're saying is the uninitiated do not have any business buying Pokemon cards and if they do so and get ripped off, its their own fault. After all, Caveot Emptor. There are some other hobbies that have this attitude toward new people. Coin collecting is one of them. Almost everyone in the hobby has a story, often multiple stories, of getting ripped off when they were learning. Coin collecting has been in steady decline since the '80s as the influx of "fresh meat" has not matched the experienced hobbiests leaving in disgust with the quality of people they have to deal with. Is this the kind of future you want for Pokemon?
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No- I'm saying that's how life is. As an adult you should know that. As a mature person you should own up to your mistakes and move on and not blame others for them.

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"WC card"?
What is a "WC card"? A Water Closet card?

I don't find that to be an adequate description. After all, he was able to spell out the name of the set that he was trying to mislead the buyer into thinking that it came from, but for the critical phrase that would identify it as a relatively valueless card, all he can spell is .... "WC".

Really? That's fair?
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LOL! Water Closet card is an excellent description of what they are... And I get what you are saying. However, you and I both know- just like everyone else involved with Pokemon- WC stands for World Championships and not Water Closet. If the parent were more involved with their kids, they would know that too. I find it a good case of 'Karma got ya'.

IMO, it's as fair as 2.55 a gallon for regular unleaded...

prodigal_fanboy said:
Waynegg - I would buy the WC Card defense in description if the seller also hadn't acted like it was from a set "Legends Awakened" in particular, nor had they, in the case of the Uxie X, used a pack Uxie X as the picture on the lot.
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I missed the Uxie. That is so wrong, using the pack Uxie for the picture, it goes without saying. While deceptive, Legends Awakened is as fair to use for describing this card as it is when it is when used over and over to describe the League Uxie card. Neither of the cards came from Legends Awakened packs, but everyone knows what you're talking about. When I say 'World Championship Deck Legend Maker Banette ex', what specific picture comes to your mind?

What I'm talking about is the specific example given where someone left negative feedback for one of these lame auctions where there was no deception.
 
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Really what the description should say is NON TOURNAMENT LEGAL. Ebay needs to find a way to make stuff like this illegal.
 
What about those parents who don't know? Is it really fair for a parent to know every single about a productdetail a child buys? Not all parents have the time for this when they could be spending time with their children exactly.
Not all parents are as well informed as other parents about what their child gets. Some things should be taken for should not be taken for face value-- but misleading someone is still not something to overlook either.
In a sense both parties are to blame. But "A customer is always right." is but a common courtesy that should never be disregarded.

It's not only that, but it's about respect of the consumer and the seller and not limited to.
 
waynegg said:
If the parent were more involved with their kids, they would know that too. I find it a good case of 'Karma got ya'.
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I find your expectation of what parents should know to be totally unrealistic!

Honestly, it takes a fair bit of knowledge to know that, first, World Championship deck cards exist, second, that they are not tournament legal or are different than the regular set cards, and third, that "WC" stands for World Championship.

You honestly think it is fair to expect Aunt Rosie to know this stuff when buying a card for her nephew on ebay? :confused:
 
Although I agree that this is very deceptive you must also keep in mind that not everyone that buys Pokemon cards on Ebay buys them to play tournaments with. I used to go crazy seeing the Lugia Ex going for just $10 under the real ones but they continue to sell for big dollars even though they have been out of rotation for quite a while now. That says to me that people are buying them for collections. Maybe the WC cards are actually rarer than the "real" ones and thus might actually be more valuable. Now as far as a couple of Claydols selling for $30 ....that is another story.
 
jrwaxman said:
Although I agree that this is very deceptive you must also keep in mind that not everyone that buys Pokemon cards on Ebay buys them to play tournaments with. I used to go crazy seeing the Lugia Ex going for just $10 under the real ones but they continue to sell for big dollars even though they have been out of rotation for quite a while now. That says to me that people are buying them for collections. Maybe the WC cards are actually rarer than the "real" ones and thus might actually be more valuable.
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No, that's not the case.
The card in question, that is valued at "$30", is available right now in any Target for $10 and you also get 59 more cards along with it.

The buyers are being misled.
Period.


What a lot of people don't seem to be getting is that legal =/= moral.

while something may skirt the legal line by the inclusion of a cursory "WC deck" (and personally, I find that to be an insufficient description) does not in any way make it less immoral.

Is the intent to fool people into paying more than something is worth?
Yes. Yes it is.
So that is immoral.

This is not hard, people.
 
PokePop said:
I find your expectation of what parents should know to be totally unrealistic!

Honestly, it takes a fair bit of knowledge to know that, first, World Championship deck cards exist, second, that they are not tournament legal or are different than the regular set cards, and third, that "WC" stands for World Championship.

You honestly think it is fair to expect Aunt Rosie to know this stuff when buying a card for her nephew on ebay? :confused:
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This post hit the nail on the head, methinks.

Is it illegal? No. Is it misleading? Yes. Is it obviously supposed to mislead the buyer? Yes.
 
I can't believe the 2nd picture! Stolen from pokebeach and it doesn't even show what the card actually looks like. I honestly believe that this may be legal to do, but it is a very cheesy scam. He could at least say that they are not legal somewhere in that lot.
 
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