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Lil_Magma got my role correct. That is reason enough for me to believe that he is telling the truth. Therefore, Lil_Magma has my support. I would also like to say that you could vote me off to prove Lil_Magma correct. While I am not in favor of this route, I realize sacrificing myself for the town could give us victory. If you want proof of Lil_Magma's claim, then I am willing to back it up with my own life. In any case, I ask the Priest to protect Lil_Magma.

Unvote: Undecided
Vote: Cardzmaster4000


Reason:
The seer has spoken.
 
Wait. If the alpha wolf is the only one that can send the kill info could we just have pokechamp block him continously and then use the days w/o kills to have magma scan everyone.
 
Wait. If the alpha wolf is the only one that can send the kill info could we just have pokechamp block him continously and then use the days w/o kills to have magma scan everyone.

While that is a great idea in theory, louist2000, one thing is missing from your equation: My role is a 50-50 chance. I have blocked one role and failed at blocking another, which was ironically Cardzmaster4000.
 
The other problem with the idea, is that (assuming Shellshock is following normal rules) you can't use the a role on the same person more 2 nights in a row. AKA he could only do it every OTHER night.
 
The other problem with the idea, is that (assuming Shellshock is following normal rules) you can't use the a role on the same person more 2 nights in a row. AKA he could only do it every OTHER night.

Well, if it's 50-50, you might be able to do it night after night, but we'd be at a loss to who to vote out...
 
It seems like the safest choice would be to kill Cardz. Unless Lilmagma is a really unusual indie, Cardz might be a townie, but probably not one with an important role. Lilmagma is either a wolf, indie, or the Seer. If he's wrong he'll die next day. In my opinion it would be better to lynch Cardzmaster, just in case Lilmagma is the seer.

Also, I findit very unlikely that the wolves would be able toget two kills at night. That would be too broken. Maybe someone is always in the area, but escapes alive, or the wolves can choose two peopleto target, but only kill one. My guess would be that there's a role which redirects kills.

VOTE: Cardzmaster2004
 
OK, looks like my role is going to be ousted here...

(Before anyone says anything, I am not quoting anything directly from my role and am paraphrasing to avoid being modkilled. this is acceptable under current rules.)

As Lucario EX noted, I do have a posting restriction placed on my role. However, it does not end there. Every time I vote, I must point an Angry Pointy Finger at someone (and, yes, that's the exact phrasiology in my role). During the night, I become a reflection of that person and any roles that target me will behave as if I had that role. In other words, my role is the Reflector.

So, last night I pointed at rokman, who died. Shouldn't I come up as an Indie? Well, no. When someone is dead, I can't reflect them (they're not there to be a reflection). My role then bounces back to the last person I chose to reflect. I actually had to go back and check this. The last time I targeted someone during a voting session was when I chose z-man on Day 1.

Ikrit, the reason I chose to post as I did in the last day was 1) I had JUST gotten back from a vacation and didn't have time to go super in-depth on the post and 2) IFF (with two, that means "if, and only if") he had an ability to kill the last person to vote for him, I didn't want to be that person. With the Reflector role, I am given a hint as to how I feel during the night (and not told explicitly). I had a hunch from what I was told z-man was the Wolf, but had no clue he would end up being this game's Alpha.

And the way the Wolves have been killing make sense if z-man is the Alpha. They chose a VERY non-descriptive and seemingly random threat Night 1 that, according to z-man, had a spotty past with him:

by z-man, post #154

Gash is a n00b. They wolves had information from the old Beach game. Gash litterally destroyed one of my past wolf games on the Beach. This would obviously cast suspition on me.

IDC

I think I now can see that "IDC" means "i DO care". The one and ONLY reason for gash to be such a high priority is if one of the Wolves had a vendetta against him. We see that realized here. And, since z-man would be the Alpha Wolf, he picked up on our hints Day 2 to lynch a more experienced player and chose the winner of WW X to kill as his first "real" victim.

In other words, we baited the trap and caught the Wolf.

I wanted to keep my role secret for at LEAST a few days more, but things have not worked out to that end. Right now, I honestly feel a bit worried about another specific player,s o they're getting the pointy finger tonight. No more being cute and fun with this role.

VOTE: z-man
Angry Pointy Finger: MadHatter (for long posts with little/no depth, similar to Rai's post at me)

Rai, I hope this helps explain why I've been posting incognito for a bit. As a pseudo-Seer/Detective, I wanted to keep the role under wraps. Also, I hope this explains why I'm not a Werewolf.

Also, as a final FYI before I go to bed (I have my first day of teaching this year starting tomorrow!!! YAYES!!!), if the Priest chooses to block a role with an ability, it keeps any abilities from coming in or going out. So if you choose to protect your Detective, they can't get an investigation out. Keep this in mind (we had this issue when I was an Espeon in the last game and only got ONE investigation out of the evolution b/c I had to drive the game discussion).

Paz a todo,

~Cardz.
 
...I do believe that exact same role was what Absoltrainer in your last game claimed to have. He, of course, was actually the alpha wolf. ...Hm.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with my post to you, perhaps you mean Ikrit?

Speaking of Ikirt, I'd love to know how you'd know Lil Magma was the priest, but its a bit of a silly question to ask with PokeChamp confirming his role was correct. :/

So looking at today... It seems there's two obvious lynch targets
1) Cardz
2) Lil Magma

I don't think there's quite enough information from other days to incriminate anyone else yet, though certainly there are lots of weird people about. And certainly making blind shots in the dark won't make us come any faster to a wolf, making those two the only reasonable choices for a lynch.

So how do we go about choosing...
Well if we Lynch Lil Magma, then two things could happen. He could be a wolf, which eliminates one and I would think opens PokeChamp as another plausible wolf (to make sure the role claim works). Or Lil Magma could be telling the truth, we just lost the seer and wind up lynching Cardz. So essentially Lil Magma dying as a seer just delays the results of the next case.
Or if we Lynch Cardz, we find out what his role is. If Alpha then we've settled that issue and hopefully we get clues from the Priest on where to look tomorrow. If Reflector then we simply target Z-Man as that would be the real wolf. If neither of those two roles (or if Z-man isn't a wolf) then we know Lil Magma (and as mentioned a second ago possibly PokeChamp) are wolves.

So. What brings us to knowing the most information as fast as possible?
...Hm. Even if Lil Magma dies and turns out to be the seer, we still wouldn't know if Cardz really was the reflector or not. Which means in the worst possible scenario, if we choose Lil Magma first we lose TWO players with detective abilities. Whereas Cardz first means at worst we only lose one (himself).

VOTE:Cardzmaster2004

And a few... worrisome things even if simple math didn't favor voting Cards... I'm afraid the part about angry pointy fingers determining your target doesn't seem to add up. If you knew it targeted the last person you pointed at, why did you waste your ability on the last game day pointing at someone who was clearly going to die (and thus couldn't get more information from)? (...And I guess voting undecided counts as voting when making your choice last game day? o_O)
Although I'm finding it interesting that last game day in post #213...
Cardz said:
z-man: OK, two things for you-

1) I <3 YOUR ROLE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!
2) If you ever quote The Sound of Music or Oklahoma, I swear to God I will flip this town on you and watch you die a slow, horrible, painful, and awe inducing death. kthnxbye!
I feel like this doesn't line up with "having a hunch" that he'd be a wolf, but that's just me. Especially if you DID have Reflector powers; wouldn't letting any thing slip about potentially knowing someone's role paint an even more massive target on your head?

On the final random tangent, Lucario EX... Remember how subtle Gash's speech impediment was. 3 paragraphs per post? We'd REALLY need to consider everything that remains constant in each post to have an accurate list there.

I believe this is an accurate vote count...
Cardzmaster2004: 5
Z-Man: 1
Undecided: 1
 
Well, now I am extremely confused. Two people are claiming that they are the seer, and the reflector, respectively. One of them has to be lying. Either Cardzmaster is lying, or Lil_Magma is lying. The question is, how do we find out? I feel somewhat split. While Lil_Magma DID get my role correct (which you will see if you lynch me), apparently there is a dispute about whether he got Cardzmaster's role correct. Because of this dispute, I have had a bit of suspicion cast upon me. It does not seem improbable that Lil_Magma is an indie. That is definitely a possibility. If Cardz is indeed the reflector, I could see how Lil_Magma would want to kill him. Cardz is somewhat of a pseudo-seer, except he becomes carbon copy of them. Killing someone like that is in Lil_Magma's interest, as it gives him a higher chance of victory. Of course, I don't understand why Cardz would choose rokman. That makes little to no sense, seeing as rokman was on the path of being lynched, in any case. Someone's being dishonest in this picture, and if we can find the dishonest Seer, the town will win.

Unfortunately, I may have sided with the guilty party with my last post. Undoubtedly, if Lil_Magma was lying, I will be lynched myself because of my hastiness. Of course, that would have been my mistake, and your hands would be forced. Indeed, there would be no way for you to vote otherwise, and I don't say I'd blame you.

Both Lil_Magma and Cardz are seers of some-sort. The trouble lies in finding the guilty one among them.

This is where things get interesting, actually. For you see, I am a seer, too. When the dice roll in my favor, not only is the role of that person blocked... I get to see what that person's role is. I failed to see the role of Cardz, but chance shined on me the next night. I saw an innocent townie as my target that night. Previously, I was not aware that I would see their role. But now, I know. I didn't want to give away that piece of information, but apparently, my hands are forced.

As for who's role was blocked... it was MadHatter's. MadHatter is but an innocent townie, afflicted by a speech impediment (of sorts, yeehaw!). If I am lynched, you will see that I am innocent, and you will then see that he is, too. Cardzmaster will, if he is speaking the truth, have to speak with the cowboy accent that MadHatter is, in this game, famous for. I doubt this will help the town, but perhaps my utterance of the truth will serve you all somehow.

Unvote: Cardzmaster2004
Vote: Undecided


I retract my current vote, as I am undecided which user is guilty of conviction. If Lil_Magma is guilty, then I apologize to the town for my foolishness. Hopefully, I will be able to find a way out of this mess, and give us all a light that which will lead us to the truth.
 
Cardz, your role really doesn't make sense considering how the game has played out. Pretty much no matter how this plays out, we're going to get a Wolf. Cardz being a Wolf is the most dangerous threat in this game.

Vote: Cardzmaster2004
 
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You know cardz... I have to give you points for trying... But your attempt at salvation of yourself just doesn't work.

This whole reflector thing might make sense except for two, glaringly obvious reasons, but even if it does make sense, cardz is still the obvious vote choice.

One, why would you as a "reflector" ask for the priest protection...as that would prevent you from using your supposed role.

and

Two, knowing this very long stream of if your target is dead then it bounces to your last target, you as a veteran player would never be stupid enough to target the person who everyone knew would be dead at the end of the day, unless you WANTED to see z-man again, which by your own admission, you had not thought about or processed.

Next, lets just assume for the moment that Cardz is telling the truth about his role. If we lynch him, we can tell the truth about his role and we will guarantee a wolf in z-man. If cardz is attempting to deceive us about his role, we get a wolf now. Now lets weigh the costs, a role that can make you "become" another player, but you don't actually find out their role, or get to use their role, but only can hope to have the priest hit you in order to find out their role, or lynch someone who while suspicious is much less than cardz. Effectively you have someone, whose role does absolutely nothing for the town vs someone who to our knowledge is vanilla/speaking role.

In this case my vote calculus is as follows:
Cardz is the clear vote, because his role offers nothing to the town, and he has been suspicious throughout the entire game (not to mention that he has been fingered by the seer as a wolf). and Worst case scenario, we kill him, we lose a role that doesn't in any way help in finding the wolves(as it requires the seer hitting cardz and cardz hitting someone else, when the seer could simply hit the person who cardz was going to), and we are guaranteed a wolf in z-man. Best case scenario, we get a wolf today. Even in the worst case scenario, its a 1 for 1 trade, which we KNOW will kill the wolves, best case scenario, its a wolf kill which results in a straight up +1 to the town.

It is unconscionable to me that y'all are more then willing to vote off two people with really no reason at all, but when the seer, who I know is the seer and who has also been substantiated as being the seer, says hey this guy is the alpha. You guys are hesitant to vote the guy off. I mean seriously it isn't like the alpha werewolf didn't do this EXACT same thing last time. The only reason why he was able to get the seer lynched last game was because I wasn't a townie that game. I am now. This kinda wannabe role fakes wont fly with me. Especially considering the story doesn't match up, and the role was poorly constructed. Even if it did though, Cardz would be the OBVIOUS lynch. And lets just pray that with the alpha being lynched, the wolves get only one kill per night.

As I said in my last post however, THE SEER BETTER PROTECT LIL MAGMA!! Just reiterating because of how important it is.

Also, as it is likely I will die tonight, seeing as I believe that the seer protected me last night, but has greater interests at stake tonight *cough* Lil Magma *cough* I will put out my "un-suspicious" and "suspicious" List for digestion after I die. This one is a premlinary one based simply off of cardz's postings, later in the day, I hope to have enough time to rework the entire thread again and make a more complete one.

Un-suspicious:
Loiust 200
PokeChampofPokeBeach
Lakak

Suspicious: (from most to least)
z-man (accuse a wolf to save your own hide anyone?)
Brawler (supported Cardz call for priest protection)
Pikamaster (for attempting to help Cardz with his role-claim and his defensiveness on voting for rokman)

Hopefully Ill be able to get on later and actually go indepth on cardz last post and make a complete rework of the thread, unfourtuantly...Linear Algebra in 15 mins...Toodles
 
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You know cardz... I have to give you points for trying... But your attempt at salvation of yourself just doesn't work.

This whole reflector thing might make sense except for two, glaringly obvious reasons, but even if it does make sense, cardz is still the obvious vote choice.

One, why would you as a "reflector" ask for the priest protection...as that would prevent you from using your supposed role.

and

Two, knowing this very long stream of if your target is dead then it bounces to your last target, you as a veteran player would never be stupid enough to target the person who everyone knew would be dead at the end of the day, unless you WANTED to see z-man again, which by your own admission, you had not thought about or processed.

Next, lets just assume for the moment that Cardz is telling the truth about his role. If we lynch him, we can tell the truth about his role and we will guarantee a wolf in z-man. If cardz is attempting to deceive us about his role, we get a wolf now. Now lets weigh the costs, a role that can make you "become" another player, but you don't actually find out their role, or get to use their role, but only can hope to have the priest hit you in order to find out their role, or lynch someone who while suspicious is much less than cardz. Effectively you have someone, whose role does absolutely nothing for the town vs someone who to our knowledge is vanilla/speaking role.

In this case my vote calculus is as follows:
Cardz is the clear vote, because his role offers nothing to the town, and he has been suspicious throughout the entire game (not to mention that he has been fingered by the seer as a wolf). and Worst case scenario, we kill him, we lose a role that doesn't in any way help in finding the wolves(as it requires the seer hitting cardz and cardz hitting someone else, when the seer could simply hit the person who cardz was going to), and we are guaranteed a wolf in z-man. Best case scenario, we get a wolf today. Even in the worst case scenario, its a 1 for 1 trade, which we KNOW will kill the wolves, best case scenario, its a wolf kill which results in a straight up +1 to the town.

It is unconscionable to me that y'all are more then willing to vote off two people with really no reason at all, but when the seer, who I know is the seer and who has also been substantiated as being the seer, says hey this guy is the alpha. You guys are hesitant to vote the guy off. I mean seriously it isn't like the alpha werewolf didn't do this EXACT same thing last time. The only reason why he was able to get the seer lynched last game was because I wasn't a townie that game. I am now. This kinda wannabe role fakes wont fly with me. Especially considering the story doesn't match up, and the role was poorly constructed. Even if it did though, Cardz would be the OBVIOUS lynch. And lets just pray that with the alpha being lynched, the wolves get only one kill per night.

As I said in my last post however, THE SEER BETTER PROTECT LIL MAGMA!! Just reiterating because of how important it is.

Also, as it is likely I will die tonight, seeing as I believe that the seer protected me last night, but has greater interests at stake tonight *cough* Lil Magma *cough* I will put out my "un-suspicious" and "suspicious" List for digestion after I die. This one is a premlinary one based simply off of cardz's postings, later in the day, I hope to have enough time to rework the entire thread again and make a more complete one.

Un-suspicious:
Loiust 200
PokeChampofPokeBeach
Lakak

Suspicious: (from most to least)
z-man (accuse a wolf to save your own hide anyone?)
Brawler (supported Cardz call for priest protection)
Pikamaster (for attempting to help Cardz with his role-claim and his defensiveness on voting for rokman)

Hopefully Ill be able to get on later and actually go indepth on cardz last post and make a complete rework of the thread, unfourtuantly...Linear Algebra in 15 mins...Toodles

Ok, how have I attempted to support cardz? I haven't made a post since cardz did his "Role claim", the only thing I've supported is the Priest protecting Lil magma, let me quote all of my posts today.

Still here, though it sucks that DP got voted off, he really has had some good points before. I'm going to read over "Yesterday" to find anything interesting.


Not really anything, just a staying alive post and saying that I'm going to read "yesterday's" posts.

Well, I say we think about voting off Cardz. If we decide to, and he isn't a Wolf, lynch Lilmagma.

Responding to Cardkeeper's post, saying we discuss voting out cardsmaster, and what we should do if we vote him out and he isn't the wolf Lil magma claimed he is.

I agree. Z-man, why would you say vote Lilmagma out first unless you're a wolf? Losing a seer would really hurt us, but then you might not be one of us, you might be one of the Others... (<- Harmless joke there) So far, I know of two people we really don't want to lose. Lilmagma should definitely get the Priest protection tonight, guarantee the protection of one of the two people we need.

Me agreeing to your post, and asking Z-man why he would vote Lil magma out before cardz, and saying that there are two people I know who we really shouldn't lose, also reiterating that Lil magma should get priest protection.

Well, if it's 50-50, you might be able to do it night after night, but we'd be at a loss to who to vote out...


And now my last post until this one, responding to Absol Trainer saying that Pokechamp couldn't block Cardz night after night, saying that even if he could block him, we wouldn't know who to vote out. That was post #265, Cardz's "Role revealment" was post #268, and this is my first post since then. Just clearing that up. :wink:
 
*sigh* Cardz, why'd you "love" my fake role if you saw it? You didn't even make your "love" post sneaky about the topic. You said you'd Kill me
 
Reading Ikrit's post, I now see no reason not to vote off Cardzmaster2004. Cardz, your story has too many holes in it to be true. I know see that thanks to Ikrit. In fact,, had it not been for Ikrit, I would have been hesitant to vote for you. Ikrit did a great job in finding you out. Now, we have the best vote possible vote for the town.

I actually would like to thank the daring Lil_Magma for coming out and revealing his role. Without you, we may have lost the game.

Unvote: Undecided
Vote: Cardzmaster2004
 
Vote: Cardzmaster2004
We know your number now. We know your life of crime! I THINK ITS SUPPER TIME!
 
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When I said you assisted with his roleclaim, I didnt mean that you did it today.

Seriously, Thinking a bit about the way Cardz operates, it would not suprise me at all if he asked one of the wolves to help him sell this role idea preemptively. Ala, " Hey Pikamaster, would you mind making a post about the possibility of my Angry-Pointy Finger being a role induced action? kthnxbye" and the post I was specifically talking about was post number 217...ala

Pikamaster in Post 217 said:
Noticed something about Cardzmaster, whenever he votes, even if undecided, he has an "Angry pointy finger". Role related maybe?

Rokman, it looks like you're doomed. I still don't believe that you're a wolf, but I can't change everyone's vote.

It seemed suspicious to me that you would randomly state something that was obvious...that it might be a role induced action....when like 1/4 or more of the game people had something similar. The suspiciousness is in that he is a wolf and tried to use the angry pointy finger that you "noticed" as part of a fake role to stay alive. The defensiveness that I noted was also in that post when you stated that you didn't think that rokman was a wolf. I find it to be apparent that you do not think of someone as a wolf when you don't vote for them, but when you come out and state it like that it is more reminiscent of a wolf, who knows that such a person is not a wolf and thusly likely a Townie, stating as such to seem innocent of shedding village blood.

I am not saying that you are vote-worthy, I am saying that you are at the moment more suspicious...basically making you a target for a seer or roleblocker, to see if they can get your alignment.
 
Guys, is it true that a role can only target a person every other night? if so, I need the Priest to be tricky when they protect me, because if he protects me tonight and the wolves know about it, I die the next night without question. So, maybe you don't protect me tonight and protect me the next night, because the wolves might not target me tonight thinking I'll be protected... You know, reverse psychology a little. Keep the wolves on their toes... Its all up to you, Priest, I suggest flipping a coin to decide to protect me(heads) or someone else(tails), that way the wolves won't have anything to go on when deciding who to kill...Just a thought
 
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