Is there a reason to be paranoid?
WEREWOLF XII: Cyrus's Revenge!! ENDGAME Planning for next WW game inside
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Is there a reason to be paranoid?
smacktack15
New Member
I am paranoid about knowing who is what in the game and was jumping to conclusions. (Voting too often). That is why I am going to wait a bit.
There are at least 3 sides or teams.
1) Team Galactic - They are the werewolves. If I remember correctly, if you can eliminate one of them, the moderator will sometime tell you how many are left. Win condition based on reading the introduction and following and playing past werewolf games is simply eliminate everyone but themselves.
2) Team Black Hole - They are former members of Team Galactic who have defected to join Cyrus; their intention is to get revenge on Team Galactic. Will they also target townspeople? What is their win condition? If they only need to eliminate Team Galactic, then it will make it easier for the townspeople to win.
3) townspeople - good guys;
1) Team Galactic - They are the werewolves. If I remember correctly, if you can eliminate one of them, the moderator will sometime tell you how many are left. Win condition based on reading the introduction and following and playing past werewolf games is simply eliminate everyone but themselves.
2) Team Black Hole - They are former members of Team Galactic who have defected to join Cyrus; their intention is to get revenge on Team Galactic. Will they also target townspeople? What is their win condition? If they only need to eliminate Team Galactic, then it will make it easier for the townspeople to win.
3) townspeople - good guys;
Cardzmaster2004
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OK, as a point of reference, the last post I saw was Post 213 by jameswilliams. Anything posted from then on, I haven't read.
Frankly, I think everyone is being a bit too paranoid. It's Day 1 for God's sake, and we've got some overzealous n00bs on the loose. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I call it like I see it.
That being said, I find my vote on Day 1 is the most logical: Get rid of the person who has the shortest hair trigger. While this doesn't get us any closer to catching a Wolf, it does establish one thing: This Town Does Not Tolerate Faults in Logic. If you're just voting for the sake of voting, you deserve ousted. If you're being illogical (or idiotic, as the case has been for a few players already), you deserve to be shown the door.
I have two people on my current illogical/show-me-the-door list. They are as follows with the following reasons (and in no particular order):
1) FlamingJapaneseMan: To quote your Post 168
Neither of these statements are supported. AT ALL. If you're to grab at straws at least give a pat, two word evidence of support, not just spout random nonsense. If you're going to go after Speaking roles, they're traditionally either
A. Non-threatening Townies.
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or
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B. People covering for roles later in the game.
And NEITHER of these are visible until later in the game. So accusing others of this early in the game is beyond stupid. Check the game histories in my sig, it should help you see these patterns.
Also, you have made the MOST vote changes of any player by my last count. That is, besides...
2) smacktack15: You've made baseless accusations and are assuming anyone poking holes in your logic is OBVIOUSLY someone partnering with the person you are currently voting for. While this may end up being true, you have NO grounds to be saying this this earlier in the game. You have no cause to vote as randomly as you do. And, frankly, I think the town might be better off with someone as a light trigger as yours.
Buck up, do your research, and STOP EXPLAINING YOUR WEAK LOGIC. You're getting shot down for a reason, let the vets take control for a while. Seriously, with as much back and forth as you had w/ FJM, I'd think you two were working together...
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Frankly, of the discussion I've seen so far, I'm fine getting rid of either of these two. Even if they're Townies. As has been seen in the past, Wolves tend to shoot for high profile targets first. So we'll have to see how that goes.
Also, I'm gonna try and play this game fairly straight and not cover with a speaking role as in the past. While this has been a playing trademark of mine since WW II, this game's size and breadth of apparent teams leaves no time for faking roles. If we all covenant to play roles fairly straight, we should easily get to the Wolves. If we hid behind facades and fake roles, we're doomed, all of us. So, if any of the current speakers are faking their role, please claim this now so we can discuss things that need to be taken care of. Like which idiota to eliminate.
As of now, VOTE: Undecided. But I'm swingable either way on the two listed above.
Paz a todo,
~Cardz.
Frankly, I think everyone is being a bit too paranoid. It's Day 1 for God's sake, and we've got some overzealous n00bs on the loose. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I call it like I see it.
That being said, I find my vote on Day 1 is the most logical: Get rid of the person who has the shortest hair trigger. While this doesn't get us any closer to catching a Wolf, it does establish one thing: This Town Does Not Tolerate Faults in Logic. If you're just voting for the sake of voting, you deserve ousted. If you're being illogical (or idiotic, as the case has been for a few players already), you deserve to be shown the door.
I have two people on my current illogical/show-me-the-door list. They are as follows with the following reasons (and in no particular order):
1) FlamingJapaneseMan: To quote your Post 168
Neither of these statements are supported. AT ALL. If you're to grab at straws at least give a pat, two word evidence of support, not just spout random nonsense. If you're going to go after Speaking roles, they're traditionally either
A. Non-threatening Townies.
\
or
/
B. People covering for roles later in the game.
And NEITHER of these are visible until later in the game. So accusing others of this early in the game is beyond stupid. Check the game histories in my sig, it should help you see these patterns.
Also, you have made the MOST vote changes of any player by my last count. That is, besides...
2) smacktack15: You've made baseless accusations and are assuming anyone poking holes in your logic is OBVIOUSLY someone partnering with the person you are currently voting for. While this may end up being true, you have NO grounds to be saying this this earlier in the game. You have no cause to vote as randomly as you do. And, frankly, I think the town might be better off with someone as a light trigger as yours.
Buck up, do your research, and STOP EXPLAINING YOUR WEAK LOGIC. You're getting shot down for a reason, let the vets take control for a while. Seriously, with as much back and forth as you had w/ FJM, I'd think you two were working together...
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Frankly, of the discussion I've seen so far, I'm fine getting rid of either of these two. Even if they're Townies. As has been seen in the past, Wolves tend to shoot for high profile targets first. So we'll have to see how that goes.
Also, I'm gonna try and play this game fairly straight and not cover with a speaking role as in the past. While this has been a playing trademark of mine since WW II, this game's size and breadth of apparent teams leaves no time for faking roles. If we all covenant to play roles fairly straight, we should easily get to the Wolves. If we hid behind facades and fake roles, we're doomed, all of us. So, if any of the current speakers are faking their role, please claim this now so we can discuss things that need to be taken care of. Like which idiota to eliminate.
As of now, VOTE: Undecided. But I'm swingable either way on the two listed above.
Paz a todo,
~Cardz.
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z-man
New Member
What's this? Espanol? Hehehe. I seem to remember AT wanting to find a way to smite you Cardz
That's ok cardz. Always look on the bright side of life. :thumb:
Always look on the light side of life...
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow. So always look on the bright side of death Just before you draw your terminal breath
Anyways, I have a few people I want dead in this game even if they are townies. As for now, the argument is very silly. I vote we get rid of one of the arguers just to begin day 2...
Cardzmaster2004
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z: I only talk in Spanish when using an English modifier for a greater quantity of something just doesn't cut it. Extremely, highly stupid individual doesn't cut it, but idiota does. An overly involved but solid reasoning isn't amazingly beautiful, its bellissima. Just get used to the Spanish derogatory modifiers...I have a feeling I'll be using them a lot...
~Cardz.
~Cardz.
Diaz
New Member
I really don't think it makes sense to vote out people we dont think are wolves. Sure, its added alot of really dumb conversation, but I dont think we should let it hurt us as a group.
So I’m just going to put this out there, it might come back to bite me. What if we pick one strong experienced player and vote them out. The thought process being that there are likely many fewer wolves than townies, and if the townies lose a strong player, there are others to fill their place. But if the wolves lose a strong player they take a much bigger hit. If we are going to vote someone out basically at random, we might as well go for the biggest players hoping to hit a wolf.
If we vote out a week player and hit a townie, not a huge deal. If we vote out a weak player and hit a wolf, good, but sub-optimal. If we vote out a strong player and hit a townie, so what, there are plenty of strong players that are townies. If we vote out a strong player and hit a wolf, the wolves are ridiculously crippled. How many very strong players are also wolves?
I agree that it is risky, but sometimes you need to take a risk. As for who specifically to vote out, I’m not going to make a suggestion right now, as I’m probably already putting my neck on the line by suggesting that we vote out a strong player.
Maybe I’m playing the game too forcefully too soon. But I think it makes more sense than voting out someone who probably isn’t a wolf.
So I’m just going to put this out there, it might come back to bite me. What if we pick one strong experienced player and vote them out. The thought process being that there are likely many fewer wolves than townies, and if the townies lose a strong player, there are others to fill their place. But if the wolves lose a strong player they take a much bigger hit. If we are going to vote someone out basically at random, we might as well go for the biggest players hoping to hit a wolf.
If we vote out a week player and hit a townie, not a huge deal. If we vote out a weak player and hit a wolf, good, but sub-optimal. If we vote out a strong player and hit a townie, so what, there are plenty of strong players that are townies. If we vote out a strong player and hit a wolf, the wolves are ridiculously crippled. How many very strong players are also wolves?
I agree that it is risky, but sometimes you need to take a risk. As for who specifically to vote out, I’m not going to make a suggestion right now, as I’m probably already putting my neck on the line by suggesting that we vote out a strong player.
Maybe I’m playing the game too forcefully too soon. But I think it makes more sense than voting out someone who probably isn’t a wolf.
Azure Kite
New Member
Well, Diaz, putting your neck on the line is exactly what you're doing. And I think that is the biggest example I've seen yet of how not to give yourself away. That's probably the most wolfy thing you could've done without just saying you're a wolf. Your post is making me strongly consider changing my vote to you.
The thing is, this is the way Day 1 always will be. And even if there is a strong player who is a wolf, we're not going to vote off all the strong and hope one is a wolf. As an ex-wolf, I know that eliminating the vets and experienced players is the biggest way you can gain the advantage, because everyone else (no offense) listens to them, or what sounds good. Kill the voices of rationality and reason, and you can take over the game, influencing the vote as a team, and killing who you want at night. I don't know if you're a wolf. Either way, bad move Diaz, very bad move.
In a way, paranoid dangerous voters who try to make sense of obvious failure are almost as dangerous as wolves. Those are the easily swayed ones, and the ones who can start bandwagons. When you have nothing else to go on, vote off the dangerous townie. I'm sorry Smacktack, but you're not really proving yourself to me.
The thing is, this is the way Day 1 always will be. And even if there is a strong player who is a wolf, we're not going to vote off all the strong and hope one is a wolf. As an ex-wolf, I know that eliminating the vets and experienced players is the biggest way you can gain the advantage, because everyone else (no offense) listens to them, or what sounds good. Kill the voices of rationality and reason, and you can take over the game, influencing the vote as a team, and killing who you want at night. I don't know if you're a wolf. Either way, bad move Diaz, very bad move.
In a way, paranoid dangerous voters who try to make sense of obvious failure are almost as dangerous as wolves. Those are the easily swayed ones, and the ones who can start bandwagons. When you have nothing else to go on, vote off the dangerous townie. I'm sorry Smacktack, but you're not really proving yourself to me.
Lucario EX
Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host
The thing is, townies rely much more heavily on skill. Yeah, wolves obviously benefit from being skilled also, but the thing is, if there's one skilled wolf, and 5 who are bad players, the skilled wolf can simply tell the others what to do. If there are 6 skilled townies and 20 who are bad players, the skilled townies can all argue to lynch a wolfish player, but the noobs will be the majority, and might well listen to the wolves instead.
You don't know when to listen to the skilled townies, they might well be wolves trying to trick you. You know when to listen to the skilled wolves. So, that's not a very good strategy.
Diaz
New Member
The point is that there’s likely only one skilled wolf, and if you hit that player, the rest are wrecked. But I see where you’re coming from.
Seems like this isn’t popular among the top players (I wonder why), but that’s cool too. This is my first time playing too, so my inexperience is showing. I’m still skeptical about voting out someone who’s likely just a dumb townie, if that is what you guys think is best I’m down. I’d love to see more players weigh in before we start a bandwagon though.
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
I'm honestly considering a vote for Diaz. That's the most irrational form of logic yet revealed, and it seriously scares me. Diaz is not an irrational person. He may be new to this game, but Diaz does not strike me as the confused newer player. No, I fear he may actually be one of the best newer players we have among us. His theory is an incredibly shameless gamble. If we hit a skilled player on either side, it will be crippling to that side. One less skilled player for the town will be such a dangerous loss... that quite frankly I'm not even sure Diaz made a fumble here. To eliminate the most skilled player has always been a wolfy technique, and I feel the most suspicious post yet was made by Diaz. Keep it up Diaz; I'm officially keeping my eye on you.
DarthPika
New Member
Your odds of hitting the 1 experienced wolf out of may experienced townies is very low. What's worse is we could lose a key player for the town, such as the priest. I would rather not leave the town run by a bunch of new players. That would almost guarantee a wolf win.
Lucario EX
Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host
I'm really starting to think that Diaz is a wolf or an indie. I can't see how such a tiny chance would seem logical, even to a noob. It seems much more likely that he's hoping to get lucky and deprive the town of any logical players. Makes perfect sense, an inexperienced indie probably would have to play a risky game to win, and there isn't too small a chance that such an absurd suggestion would be attributed to noobishness (see Louist last game).
Either way, he's probably expendable.
VOTE: Diaz
Either way, he's probably expendable.
VOTE: Diaz
legotack
New Member
Although being one of those, newer, players, I have to agree with Lucario EX, for reasons stated above. Also, looking at Diaz's public profile, it shows that he was last on at 1:23 PM. Although there is not a guarantee that he checked this thread, he probably would have, as there isn't that much going on in the PokéWorld right now. If I were him, I would have made a reply right away, instead of waiting, or not doing it at all. So I will have to go with:
VOTE: Diaz
Reasons stated above.
VOTE: Diaz
Reasons stated above.
DarthPika
New Member
The more I think about it, the more Diaz's logic bothers me. He doesn't seem like someone who would use such... bad logic. I don't care how bad at math you are. ANYONE can see that the odds of randomly hitting a skilled wolf out of many skilled townies is next to none. Even if Diaz is a towni, I don't want someone around who is going to try and lynch the best players. That just doesn't make any sense. I agree with Lucario EX that his role sounds like he could be some form of indi, probably a potentially dangerous one at that. Even if he isn't, I don't like someone making big moves like that on the very first day when we have next to nothing to go off of. It's just not smart.
Therefore,
UNVOTE: Smacktac15
VOTE: Diaz
Diaz, if you want me to change my mind on this, why are YOU vaulable to the town? If you are a towni with a vaulable role, I don't want you lynched. But as it stands, you seem to be more of a threat to the town than anything else. Please, convince me otherwise.
Therefore,
UNVOTE: Smacktac15
VOTE: Diaz
Diaz, if you want me to change my mind on this, why are YOU vaulable to the town? If you are a towni with a vaulable role, I don't want you lynched. But as it stands, you seem to be more of a threat to the town than anything else. Please, convince me otherwise.
Absoltrainer
Active Member
VOTES TO LYNCH 19
CURRENT VOTES:
Smacktack 15: 2
Diaz: 3
CURRENT VOTES:
Smacktack 15: 2
Diaz: 3
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FlamingJapaneseMan
New Member
I agree with all the reasons of those who voted for Diaz. He may be a n00b, but he may be a cunning wolf acting noobish to throw people off.
UNVOTE: Undecided
VOTE: Diaz
UNVOTE: Undecided
VOTE: Diaz
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
Alright, after coming back from Taekwondo, I've made up my mind. Diaz must go. Out of the newer players, he poses the most dangerous threat, and very little will convince me of his alignment otherwise. I will take back my vote, Diaz, if you are capable of explaining your actions. But otherwise, my vote goes towards lynching you, Diaz.
Unvote: Undecided
Vote: Diaz
Reason: for being the most dangerous person to post out of all of us so far.
Unvote: Undecided
Vote: Diaz
Reason: for being the most dangerous person to post out of all of us so far.