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^SO you would rather have 1 preist protection rather than at least 3 tonight and still probably 2 for a while if the wolfs go after Diaz?
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If a priest protects me, that’s is still a working priest. At that point we have 2 working priests. Not one, like you keep saying. If a priest doesn’t protect me, then we have 3 working tonight. But I’m probably the most likely to be targeted by wolves, so it might be worth having one less priest working. It’s a quality vs quaintly thing. It’s really just a guessing game that needs to happen between the wolves and the priests at night. It doesn’t warrant more conversation here. (I find myself feeling this way about many things today. I think it’s a function of how little info we have about the wolves, and how much info we have about random other things.) At some point (maybe tonight, maybe much later) the priest who protected me will choose not to, and we will get the benefits of my role, lets just hope its not the same night as the wolves choose to kill me.

PS Anyone want to help me out with an analysis of what z-man is trying to say? idgi
 
To end this topic for now, who do we really know that's super valuable that we can sacrifice a Priest for and not care about it?

dmaster out.
 
As a last note, Diaz, if the preist protects you, you cannot protect someone.
 
Cardkeeper: You're being really suspicious to me right now. Most town members would want to preserve the priest (the wolves #1 target) and you are basically telling the priest not to protect him because you'd rather have 3 people protected instead of 2 (diaz and whoever the other priest protects) I think we should save our priest. Yes it is a somewhat waste of a priest protection but I think it would be better to save the priest for now so we have him later.

VOTE: Cardkeeper
 
I NEVER said not for him to pretect Diaz. I said it doesn't make sense to protect him if it's going to be 1 to 2/3. We don't even know what the wolves are trying to do. Like people have said, I'd hate to get voted for simply because I'm trying to find something rathger than taking a wild guess. If the preist feels voting for Diaz to further reserve the town's protection I'm all for it. I'm just trying to find out how we can further help our preists and use their abilities effectivly. I'm NOT trying to vote of Diaz or trying to get the wolves to kill him by making him unprotected. I'm simply discussing the best solutions.
 
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I'd think that the wolves would be smart enough to post a lot. They should know that not posting arouses suspicion. I haven't gotten to reading all of the posts but I will soon.

Pichu
 
Didn't really mean to vote for them, but I couldn't edit. What I mean is, don't forget that they're in the game just because they haven't posted, or haven't posted recently.
 
So Diaz and DarthPika led a town bandwagon that led to a townie kill, and we are all ready to continue protecting Diaz? So far nothing has proved that he is a priest, and I don't know if any of you noticed, but he managed to talk himself onto a pretty cushy seat. Here, I built a nice little flow chart to explain what I am talking about:

1.) The only evidence we have that Diaz is a priest is his role claim. Can we get any other evidence? Continue to number 2.

2.) The only way we could know if Diaz was a priest for sure would be if a seer/detective spied on him. Well then why dont we do that? Continue to number 3.

3.) We cant get a seer/detective to validate his role because he is protected every night. Well why does he need to be protected every night? Continue to 4.

4.) He needs to be protected every night because he is a priest, which is very valuable to the town. Well why is he valuable to the town? Continue to 5.

5). The only reason he is very valuable to the town is that he has the oppurtunity to protect people. But why can't he be protecting people now? Continue to 6.

6.) He cannot be protecting people because he has to be protected himself, how do we know he deserves to be protected? Return to 1.

That's a nice cylce isnt it? Any ideas on how to break it? Or are we all too used to following others that we no longer want to break it?
 
That's sound advice. Once someone reveals their role they become a hindrance to the town if they need to be protected. I am willing to believe he is a priest, if only to use something to base our decisions on.

I don't think he will be targeted twice in one night, lest they waste a kill during the night though. However if a townie gets eliminated by voting during the day they'll have nothing to lose and stand to use their chance to go after Diaz as they have a "free" one. If a wolf is targeted they'll become a bit more desperate and will target someone else in order to gain an advantage.

I advise any priests to not protect Diaz this night- because as it stands we have a "cancelled out" priest because one has to sacrifice their own priest vote to protect someone who won't be able to do anything. We can't keep this up forever as eventually the wolves will target someone else.

I must also suggest that shinygyarados may be a wolf wanting to get at a priest by suggesting we take down the barriers surrounding Diaz.

JMO
 
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For a description of why I’m a priest based on the write up (this comes from someone who was a fan of voting me out yesterday iirc): http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1584805&postcount=563

I agree that I shouldn’t be protect every night, that wouldn’t be useful to the town. But it’s up to the priest to try to gauge whether or not the wolves will go after me. Often, I’ll be the biggest target in the game. Sometimes, I won’t be. Those nights I might not get priested. The whole point is that there is a mind game going on with the priest who protected me, and the wolves. We’ll see how it plays out.

Shinyg, you’ve been all over me this game, perhaps to a fault. If I am a priest, it puts a huge target on you’re back. The only evidence that people had to bring me up originally was one bone-headed idea that I put out. There have been plenty of dumb things posted by other people, and I don’t think it makes sense to vote me out based on it. I think I’ve been pretty helpful around town, and this game isn’t going half bad for the town right now. Without my presence during day 1, there would probably have been a night kill, and a lot less info available to the town. Go back and read what DP posted, he’s not around right now, which is a shame for the town, but his posts are still relevant today.
 
z-man said:
Ignore the X
Unless it becomes red


Darth Pika... his fate is turning blue

Whatever shall we do?

Gashmoigidy, here's my formal invitation
you and me go masquerading

Anyways, there's not much to say today. I have a list... but again... its not final. I just wish some people would stop wearing masks...
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Wow Z-man, why do you always talk in riddles its realy hard to understand lol. could someone explain what this means?
 
For those of you who don't yet know, I am playing the game now...just fyi...

Unfortunately I am in university and won't post as much as I like, I'll just post when I feel it's important to.

My WW resume you ask?

I'm good...I've won as an Independent and I might have won on a wolf team. And I can tell you from experience winning as a town is the hardest to do because town's are easily mislead if everyone is only out for themselves. (easily manipulated)

About the self (& other proclaimed) priest Diaz there are two options:
Either he is the priest
or he isn't the priest.

For each other those options we have to options:
We believe or don't.
For each of those options something will happen (usually something good or something bad) so lets see what might happen

He is a Priest but we don't believe him: nothing good comes from this...for ovbious reasons:
He is a priest & we do believe him: The town secures its most valuable resource
He isn't a priest & we don't believe him: We just killed a fraud, likely a indie or a wolf
he isn't a priest and we do believe him (that he is a priest): nothing good comes from this.

So Worst Case Senario is that he's a wolf or indie and he has us convinced that he's a priest and eventually lasts long enough to win the game....

In order to convince us that he is a priest he'll have to give us information on the rest of the group. And as long as he is giving us verifiable information we should keep him alive. If he kills to many towns folk in the process, we should probably fire him....(lynch him)

so "priest" do you have any information for us, or should we fire you?
 
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For those of you who don't yet know, I am playing the game now...just fyi...

Unfortunately I am in university and won't post as much as I like, I'll just post when I feel it's important to.

My WW resume you ask?

I'm good...I've won as an Independent and I might have won on a wolf team. And I can tell you from experience winning as a town is the hardest to do because town's are easily mislead if everyone is only out for themselves. (easily manipulated)

About the self (& other proclaimed) priest Diaz there are two options:
Either he is the priest
or he isn't the priest.

For each other those options we have to options:
We believe or don't.
For each of those options something will happen (usually something good or something bad) so lets see what might happen

He is a Priest but we don't believe him: nothing good comes from this...for ovbious reasons:
He is a priest & we do believe him: The town secures its most valuable resource
He isn't a priest & we don't believe him: We just killed a fraud, likely a indie or a wolf
he isn't a priest and we do believe him (that he is a priest): nothing good comes from this.

So Worst Case Senario is that he's a wolf or indie and he has us convinced that he's a priest and eventually lasts long enough to win the game....

In order to convince us that he is a priest he'll have to give us information on the rest of the group. And as long as he is giving us verifiable information we should keep him alive. If he kills to many towns folk in the process, we should probably fire him....(lynch him)

so "priest" do you have any information for us, or should we fire you?
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I’ve been more than pulling my weight around town today, keeping the flow of information going. I’ve been encouraging and contributing to discussion. But I don’t think that that’s even the reason to keep me around.

As you say, I’m only dangerous if I make it to the end of the game. Why bother lynching me now, when you could give me time to prove myself as a priest. In only one night, there was plenty of evidence of my priesthood. Give me a couple more and I should be able to prove (some think its highly likely already) I’m a priest. If I can prove beyond a doubt that I am a priest, then:
He is a priest & we do believe him: The town secures its most valuable resource
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In a 37 person game, making to the very end is highly unlikely for any player. Why lynch me now, when I could continue to be helpful to the town. If I’m a wolf, I have a giant target on my back, and wont be able to make to the end anyway.

I hope this post (and others) have provided enough of a reason not to lynch me today. If so, I suggest we stop discussing the issue, as it distracts from actually figuring out who we want to lynch.
 
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So Diaz and DarthPika led a town bandwagon that led to a townie kill, and we are all ready to continue protecting Diaz? So far nothing has proved that he is a priest, and I don't know if any of you noticed, but he managed to talk himself onto a pretty cushy seat. Here, I built a nice little flow chart to explain what I am talking about:

1.) The only evidence we have that Diaz is a priest is his role claim. Can we get any other evidence? Continue to number 2.

2.) The only way we could know if Diaz was a priest for sure would be if a seer/detective spied on him. Well then why dont we do that? Continue to number 3.

3.) We cant get a seer/detective to validate his role because he is protected every night. Well why does he need to be protected every night? Continue to 4.

4.) He needs to be protected every night because he is a priest, which is very valuable to the town. Well why is he valuable to the town? Continue to 5.

5). The only reason he is very valuable to the town is that he has the oppurtunity to protect people. But why can't he be protecting people now? Continue to 6.

6.) He cannot be protecting people because he has to be protected himself, how do we know he deserves to be protected? Return to 1.

That's a nice cylce isnt it? Any ideas on how to break it? Or are we all too used to following others that we no longer want to break it?
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If the wolves target him long enough without killing him, eventually they'll go after other people. When they'll decide to do this, we don't know. But if the priest protecting Diaz successfully guesses when Diaz won't be the wolves target, then we have 3 priest.
 
Well, if we want to lynch someone by the end of Day 2, we all have to try to decipher the full meaning of Absol's post. I say we should look over it many times and come to a clean decision. I am sure we must be missing something. There has to be an underlying meaning. I will start re-reading it again today.

~Zach
 
I myself have no doubts of Diaz's priest-hood. Even when I accused you, Diaz, I was sure of you being a priest. Rather, I was just seeing what actions you were to take under pressure. But now, I'm even more sure that you're the priest, primarily about the update. But the priests can't protect you forever, let's face it. So I have a theory for the priests (use if you won't to, but don't hold me responsible for any losses from this). Be warned that this IS a gamble. Just like my favorite game, the Pokemon TCG, we're going to do some rolling:

Priests: choose six people you want to protect. Then, assign them a number. Roll a dice, and the result will be who you protect.

While this is risky for the town, it is also risky for the Werewolves. Will they take a chance to kill Diaz and fail? Or will Diaz be unprotected and die? Or be unprotected and live due to the fact that the Wolves target someone else?

Either way, this puts the fate of Diaz in jeopardy... but it also gives us another solution to use against the Werewolves.

Like I said, you can use this theory if you want, but don't come complaining to me if it doesn't work. I have seen this tactic employed a few times, and it has done well. It has also failed.

It's a theory, so priests aren't obligated to do so. This is just a way to keep the Wolves guessing.
 
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I myself have no doubts of Diaz's priest-hood. Even when I accused you, Diaz, I was sure of you being a priest. Rather, I was just seeing what actions you were to take under pressure. But now, I'm even more sure that you're the priest, primarily about the update. But the priests can't protect you forever, let's face it. So I have a theory for the priests (use if you won't to, but don't hold me responsible for any losses from this). Be warned that this IS a gamble. Just like my favorite game, the Pokemon TCG, we're going to do some rolling:

Priests: choose six people you want to protect. Then, assign them a number. Roll a dice, and the result will be who you protect.

While this is risky for the town, it is also risky for the Werewolves. Will they take a chance to kill Diaz and fail? Or will Diaz be unprotected and die? Or be unprotected and live due to the fact that the Wolves target someone else?

Either way, this puts the fate of Diaz in jeopardy... but it also gives us another solution to use against the Werewolves.

Like I said, you can use this theory if you want, but don't come complaining to me if it doesn't work. I have seen this tactic employed a few times, and it has done well. It has also failed.

It's a theory, so priests aren't obligated to do so. This is just a way to keep the Wolves guessing.
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Are you kidding me? First you almost get me voted out, while you claim to believe I was the priest. If you’re telling the truth, then you just tried to get a priest voted out. If not then you’re just lying, which is convenient now that there are some people who actually think I’m a priest. Then you’re suggesting doing something very risky, if you recall, that’s the exact thing that got me in the hot seat yesterday.

But I guess I shouldn’t go around attacking the people who think I’m a priest, should I. Btw, even though the plan is risky, I kind of like it. I think just the fact that you suggested it makes the wolves think twice, so it doesn’t matter if it’s actually implemented.
 
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