d master342
New Member
Really? We're down a Seer and an Alchemist. You've got to be kidding me. _-_ This is a really dangerous role that we're keeping around. I hope this is the right decision you're making.
dmaster out.
dmaster out.
Werewolf XIII: Ascension of the Packmaster (ENDGAME: See Post 812)
- Thread starter Cardzmaster2004
- Start date
DarthPika
New Member
Apparently you didn't read the "sear" role right. He was WORTHLESS. Actually, he was worse than worthless, he was a danger to the town. He would have unwittingly wrongly accused people of various things, and caused on heck of a mess later down the road had he lived.
I'm glad he is gone, as he was a danger to the town.
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
So meesie, what gives you this idea about lakak's role? You seem quite certain that you are right? You're nringing up a bunch of technicalities that wouldn't seem obvious to me at all.
Lakak, what do you mean your role doesn't allow you to hide anything. Do you have to answer questions that are presented to you about your role? I s what meesie said correct?
AAM
Lakak, what do you mean your role doesn't allow you to hide anything. Do you have to answer questions that are presented to you about your role? I s what meesie said correct?
AAM
Pikamaster
Active Member
Apparently Meesie was banned, posted from his brothers account, then that post got deleted...
Sandslash7
<a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
#285
About my night update. I'm a senior in college, trying to keep my 4.0 so that I can get into dental school. I'm very busy with extracurricular activities and numerous labs throughout the day. You'll notice that my posts are in evening, because I only get a limited amount of time on the forums each day. However, I should have posted my night analysis much earlier, otherwise it does nothing to help the town.
That was not a very "eventful" night. The night update was pretty skimpy on details that I'm usually able to bring out as evidence for or against players. (Different from Absoltrainer's in this regard)
About today's discussion:
With Lakak already having killed a wolf, and especially with him a high priority target for the wolves tonight, it seems to me like using as much of his role as possible would be a good idea. If he knows he is going to die, then he might as well bring as many people with him. So, are the wolves going to "waste" a kill on Lakak if he has expended his killing potential (hitting 2 townies in the process) or are they going to rid the town of his vigilante/independent killing ability, on the chance that he still has the ability to kill more. I don't know which they would chose.
I would second:
KING: Absoltrainer
For obvious reasons Absol would be a great king, and I could support his decisions. For the lynch, however, I'm undecided.
By the way. We have AT LEAST 1 more seer. The MADMAN said that he was the only seer, MEANING there is at least one more (because the madman says false things.
False. He KNEW he was the town madman. If he knew that the roles/alignments he was getting were inverted, then he could easily invert them again and give us the correct info. Say he investigates AAM, and is told that AAM was a wolf. He would say to us that AAM was a townie, because the opposite of wolf is townie. (or at least that's what I think his role means) He could was only a slightly underpowered seer, and NOT a danger to the town if played correctly. Again, from my assumptions about how his role would have worked.
About my night update. I'm a senior in college, trying to keep my 4.0 so that I can get into dental school. I'm very busy with extracurricular activities and numerous labs throughout the day. You'll notice that my posts are in evening, because I only get a limited amount of time on the forums each day. However, I should have posted my night analysis much earlier, otherwise it does nothing to help the town.
Cardzmaster2004 said:
That was not a very "eventful" night. The night update was pretty skimpy on details that I'm usually able to bring out as evidence for or against players. (Different from Absoltrainer's in this regard)
About today's discussion:
With Lakak already having killed a wolf, and especially with him a high priority target for the wolves tonight, it seems to me like using as much of his role as possible would be a good idea. If he knows he is going to die, then he might as well bring as many people with him. So, are the wolves going to "waste" a kill on Lakak if he has expended his killing potential (hitting 2 townies in the process) or are they going to rid the town of his vigilante/independent killing ability, on the chance that he still has the ability to kill more. I don't know which they would chose.
I would second:
KING: Absoltrainer
For obvious reasons Absol would be a great king, and I could support his decisions. For the lynch, however, I'm undecided.
By the way. We have AT LEAST 1 more seer. The MADMAN said that he was the only seer, MEANING there is at least one more (because the madman says false things.
DarthPika said:
False. He KNEW he was the town madman. If he knew that the roles/alignments he was getting were inverted, then he could easily invert them again and give us the correct info. Say he investigates AAM, and is told that AAM was a wolf. He would say to us that AAM was a townie, because the opposite of wolf is townie. (or at least that's what I think his role means) He could was only a slightly underpowered seer, and NOT a danger to the town if played correctly. Again, from my assumptions about how his role would have worked.
Reader1237
New Member
I think people are rushing into voting for lakak. He could possibly have the most important role in this game. By letting us have more than 1 kill a day we have a much higher chance of killing a wolf.
It seems like some people like Time For Pain and Kezzup are a little too eager to have Lakak lynched with no really good reason. I would keep them in mind when thinking about who might be wolfs because the wolfs definitely want Lakak gone.
It seems like some people like Time For Pain and Kezzup are a little too eager to have Lakak lynched with no really good reason. I would keep them in mind when thinking about who might be wolfs because the wolfs definitely want Lakak gone.
Pikamaster
Active Member
Reader, our votes don't count for anything, I'm not really sure why people vote for him, other than to let the king know that they want him gone, which would be stupid, IMO.
Reader1237
New Member
i know that our votes don't really count. But they made it clear that they want him gone which is just a little suspicious at this point in the game...
Lucario EX
Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host
Am I missing something? What makes you think that?
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
290
Reader: Lakak may have the most useful role in the game, but he shows no discretion with it. He will proceed to kill townies until he is stopped. I doubt the wolves are very concerned about him seeing as how hes going to bring down mostly townies with his gun and that he is more likely to receive priest protection at night time. And as for the "most useful" role in the game, its still likely hes an indie which would make him extremely dangerous to the town.
Pikamaster: Diaz asked for our input for the lynch and this is one of the most clear ways to do it. It makes plenty of sense. Especially since cardz is kind enough to tally them for us. Its not stupid at all.
Reader: Lakak may have the most useful role in the game, but he shows no discretion with it. He will proceed to kill townies until he is stopped. I doubt the wolves are very concerned about him seeing as how hes going to bring down mostly townies with his gun and that he is more likely to receive priest protection at night time. And as for the "most useful" role in the game, its still likely hes an indie which would make him extremely dangerous to the town.
Pikamaster: Diaz asked for our input for the lynch and this is one of the most clear ways to do it. It makes plenty of sense. Especially since cardz is kind enough to tally them for us. Its not stupid at all.
Pikamaster
Active Member
Lucario EX
Moderator<br>Fanfic Contest Host
Sorry about my last post, I messed up the quote. I was quoting Sandslash, not Cardz.
DarthPika
New Member
This is what his role was:
No where in his role description does it say that he is the town madman. There is a note, as in, and added note saying that he is the town madman. Why would the town madman know he's a madman? Also, false info does not mean it will work to reverse it.
No where in his role description does it say that he is the town madman. There is a note, as in, and added note saying that he is the town madman. Why would the town madman know he's a madman? Also, false info does not mean it will work to reverse it.
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
296.
I pretty much agree. fire_spin did not know he was the madman. I BELIEVE that you are wrong about reversing it though. Cardz seemed to imply that ALL his searches would be wrong. This would make the strategy of inverting all his suspicions yield correct results. Unfortunately, Im not sure if he posted any opinions about other players.
AAM
I pretty much agree. fire_spin did not know he was the madman. I BELIEVE that you are wrong about reversing it though. Cardz seemed to imply that ALL his searches would be wrong. This would make the strategy of inverting all his suspicions yield correct results. Unfortunately, Im not sure if he posted any opinions about other players.
AAM
Sandslash7
<a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
shinygyarados
New Member
297(haha, the last thing I need is another warning)
Ok, so the reason my posts have been shorter and less frequent is mostly because the town does not seem interested in the points that I bring up. Ex: I have posted about trying to discover connections to the French Revolution, the name Jacob, and already having two children in the town, when I cant even really remember having one before.
But dont get me wrong, it is not like I am not interested in what the rest of you are trying to find out; I would also like to know the full extent of Lakak's role, and how he has been choosing who to use his role on. I am also interested in who the next king will be as well as who the king will choose to be lynched today. The only problem is, I do not have anything to say on these points. Im not going to quote someone else's post, mix around some words and post that as my own.
This by the way is why I do not see inactivity as a good judge of who to kill. I have posted like three times this game, but each of my posts have had new thoughts that I had on this game, or discussion points I would like the see utilized or original feedback to other's posts, while some people like to make multiple, short posts, many of which contain restated information. It is (for the most part) just a difference in play styles, not alliances.
What i understand about Fire Spin's role: He was unaware that he was not receiving correct information. This role still could have been helpful though. He could have made a post(or multiple posts) telling us what information he had recieved(even though it had been wrong) then when he died(or we killed him for being wrong) we would have learned about his role, and reversed the alliances he posted.
About town people voting: I do not see it as a waste of time. To me voting has always been a very significant thing. There have been a few times in the past when I advocated the lynching of someone, but never voted for them, simply because, to me, it was something that should not be done lightly, and only when I am SURE that their death would benefit the town. I do however understand that not everyone sees voting that way. So... this paragraph didnt really mean much:thumb:
About Lakak: I am always hesitant to support someone being lynched because of their role, when I only know one part of their role. All I can see is that Lakak has some way of killing people. We do not know if he has to target a certain amount of people everyday. We do not know if he gets to choose the people that he targets with his role. We do not know how accurate his role is. We do not even know if killing is all he can do. Quite frankly we will probably not ever learn any of this for sure until either he dies, or a seer targets him, tells the town, and then dies to confirm their role.
One last thing: I am hesistant to vote on who the kingmaker should target next, or if we should force(not really. Its not like there is anything we could really do) Lakak to discuss why he chose the people he did, or who he is going to choose next. This statement also applies to requesting priest-ing, or requesting someone else to be seer-ed. We do not know the full extent of anyone's role but our own until that person dies, and their role is revealed to the town. Imagine if someone had requested the Jason to be seer-ed, and Fire Spin had used his ability and told us all he was a wolf. That would not have gone so well, especially since we would have probably killed Fire Spin the next day for "lying"(not really sure on the definition here: if he thought he was telling the truth, is it lying?) Also these votes could be swayed by wolves/indies. Long paragraph(with lots of paranthesis) short: I do not like voting for kingmaker's role or any other role.
Done. For now.
Ok, so the reason my posts have been shorter and less frequent is mostly because the town does not seem interested in the points that I bring up. Ex: I have posted about trying to discover connections to the French Revolution, the name Jacob, and already having two children in the town, when I cant even really remember having one before.
But dont get me wrong, it is not like I am not interested in what the rest of you are trying to find out; I would also like to know the full extent of Lakak's role, and how he has been choosing who to use his role on. I am also interested in who the next king will be as well as who the king will choose to be lynched today. The only problem is, I do not have anything to say on these points. Im not going to quote someone else's post, mix around some words and post that as my own.
This by the way is why I do not see inactivity as a good judge of who to kill. I have posted like three times this game, but each of my posts have had new thoughts that I had on this game, or discussion points I would like the see utilized or original feedback to other's posts, while some people like to make multiple, short posts, many of which contain restated information. It is (for the most part) just a difference in play styles, not alliances.
What i understand about Fire Spin's role: He was unaware that he was not receiving correct information. This role still could have been helpful though. He could have made a post(or multiple posts) telling us what information he had recieved(even though it had been wrong) then when he died(or we killed him for being wrong) we would have learned about his role, and reversed the alliances he posted.
About town people voting: I do not see it as a waste of time. To me voting has always been a very significant thing. There have been a few times in the past when I advocated the lynching of someone, but never voted for them, simply because, to me, it was something that should not be done lightly, and only when I am SURE that their death would benefit the town. I do however understand that not everyone sees voting that way. So... this paragraph didnt really mean much:thumb:
About Lakak: I am always hesitant to support someone being lynched because of their role, when I only know one part of their role. All I can see is that Lakak has some way of killing people. We do not know if he has to target a certain amount of people everyday. We do not know if he gets to choose the people that he targets with his role. We do not know how accurate his role is. We do not even know if killing is all he can do. Quite frankly we will probably not ever learn any of this for sure until either he dies, or a seer targets him, tells the town, and then dies to confirm their role.
One last thing: I am hesistant to vote on who the kingmaker should target next, or if we should force(not really. Its not like there is anything we could really do) Lakak to discuss why he chose the people he did, or who he is going to choose next. This statement also applies to requesting priest-ing, or requesting someone else to be seer-ed. We do not know the full extent of anyone's role but our own until that person dies, and their role is revealed to the town. Imagine if someone had requested the Jason to be seer-ed, and Fire Spin had used his ability and told us all he was a wolf. That would not have gone so well, especially since we would have probably killed Fire Spin the next day for "lying"(not really sure on the definition here: if he thought he was telling the truth, is it lying?) Also these votes could be swayed by wolves/indies. Long paragraph(with lots of paranthesis) short: I do not like voting for kingmaker's role or any other role.
Done. For now.
Diaz
New Member
298
Time for some last minute work. I will be voting this afternoon. Until then, I need more input from you guys. We as a town have really put the decision making in the hands of the king. What we've been doing is discussing, then letting the king decide rather than discussing, then advising the king, then letting the king make a decision. I propose that for next game day, we as a town make every single player cast a vote before the king makes a decision. This will force the wolves to take a concrete stand. I think that this will absolutely help the king in making decision and help us find a wolf. We can enforce this by lynching players who don't make a vote.
The whole stuff with meesie is interesting, and I think that Cardz needs to figure out whats going on there. A deleted post in this thread is a big deal. I will not be lynching meesie today, hoping to see how that plays out.
@d master- Tell me why I should keep you here. If it's not good, I might not keep you here. Seriously. Time for you to show your worth.
@Town- Please give me last minute feedback on who we should lynch. I really am undecided as of right now.
@PkB it might be time for those last words.
Does anyone have a problem with me lynching PkB?
Time for some last minute work. I will be voting this afternoon. Until then, I need more input from you guys. We as a town have really put the decision making in the hands of the king. What we've been doing is discussing, then letting the king decide rather than discussing, then advising the king, then letting the king make a decision. I propose that for next game day, we as a town make every single player cast a vote before the king makes a decision. This will force the wolves to take a concrete stand. I think that this will absolutely help the king in making decision and help us find a wolf. We can enforce this by lynching players who don't make a vote.
The whole stuff with meesie is interesting, and I think that Cardz needs to figure out whats going on there. A deleted post in this thread is a big deal. I will not be lynching meesie today, hoping to see how that plays out.
@d master- Tell me why I should keep you here. If it's not good, I might not keep you here. Seriously. Time for you to show your worth.
@Town- Please give me last minute feedback on who we should lynch. I really am undecided as of right now.
@PkB it might be time for those last words.
Does anyone have a problem with me lynching PkB?
Pikamaster
Active Member
Diaz, just a couple of things.
1. Meesie is getting replaced.
2. I say that voting for PkB is probably your best option, I can't see anything better.
And I'm off for the day, I probably won't be back before the vote is cast.
1. Meesie is getting replaced.
2. I say that voting for PkB is probably your best option, I can't see anything better.
And I'm off for the day, I probably won't be back before the vote is cast.