Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XIII: Ascension of the Packmaster (ENDGAME: See Post 812)

I agree with everyone. I think that we should wait until something good comes up. Also, I am moderately busy, so I wont be posting every day.
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Not saying this is true or anything but IMO the people who post saying "Oh I'll be busy and won't come on alot" seems awfully suspicious to me. Not saying that they aren't busy but its an offly easy excuse to a wolf of why they don't post often. I mean If you are legitmally busy and won't be able to come on PM the mod of the game much like AK did. I mean its not that hard to log on for 10 minutes a day just to read up on what happened the last 24 hours.
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I am not saying that I will never be posting, I am just saying that or a few days I will not be SUPER active.
I will be reading this thread for 10 minutes every morning, and IF I HAVE TIME, I will post in the afternoon after school.

@Shining Gyarados, What does being in the 1791's have to do with anything?

Sorry for the rant there.
 
PkB_ said:
Not saying this is true or anything but IMO the people who post saying "Oh I'll be busy and won't come on alot" seems awfully suspicious to me. Not saying that they aren't busy but its an offly easy excuse to a wolf of why they don't post often. I mean If you are legitmally busy and won't be able to come on PM the mod of the game much like AK did. I mean its not that hard to log on for 10 minutes a day just to read up on what happened the last 24 hours.
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To me, not active means not posting much. Sure, coming on and reading is easy enough, but making a good post about the previous posts can take some time. So that's what I mean by it.
 
Diaz: I get so sick of answering this question...

ROLES ARE RANDOMLY ASSIGNED AND ARE ALWAYS RANDOMLY ASSIGNED!!!!!

No change to the popular vote has been made, so that's all I'm saying on the issue.

~Cardz.
 
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Originally Posted by Arcanine/Arbok Master View Post
We dont have any reason to believe the KM isnt a townie (in fact Id be surprised if he wasnt)
...actually, we have no reason to believe the KM IS a townie, either...

??? So where are you getting this sense of surprise from?
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If the kingmaker was a wolf, there would be no chance for the town. That leaves either an indie or a townie. If the km is an indie, that’d be interesting, but I think it’s more likely that cardz would make the km a townie. I think it’s probably a safe bet that the km is a townie.

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Am I saying DP is making a rash decision? Not at all. Im just not sure how I feel about giving control of the lynch to one person. Basically "Oh, you said something I don't like. See you later."

Hopefully the king won't do that and will do their job seriously.
I didn't mean that.

Smacktack had a reputation for being a n00b the last game, and I'm seeing the same kind of thinking going on. I simply wanted to inform him that I don't want to put up with people who make rash statements with out thinking them through. It's only day 1. Since we don't have really much to go by, I would find it quite acceptable to lynch anyone who's proven to be a threat to the town due to nothing playing very smart.

Will I lynch him? Maybe, but probably not. I just wanted to make it clear to him that he needs to stop playing like a n00b if he wants to stay around. He should know by now not to make statements like that after his first game. He even said that it sounds dumb. If an idea sounds dumb, think about it twice before posting, because there's a good chance it IS dumb.
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DP, You said it very well. I was thinking the same thing. That said, I think smacktack might play a little differently as a wolf, and he’s bad enough that we’d notice the difference. So I’m doubtful at this point of him being a wolf.

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Players who didn’t post that they received their role:
5. Azure Kite
7. Lakak
8. Jason
19. Arcanine/Arbok Master
21. Hurricane
23. Meesie6x6

Interesting, because the km must have received their role and talked with Cardz. Does that mean they must have received their role and so must have posted? Does that mean he wouldn’t have bothered posting that he received his role? I don’t know. I think it’s better that we don’t know. I don’t think we want the wolves knowing who the kingmaker is.
Players who haven’t posted this game day:

1. Lucario EX
3. qwachansey
4. Kezzup
5. Azure Kite
14. fire spin
16. jellyfisher
20. Sandslash7
21. Hurricane
22. Ikrit
25. Lil_Magma

You all need to step up and make some posts.
Players who haven’t posted either:
Azure Kite
Hurricane

AK, someone’s gotta call you out, might as well be me. Everyone knows you’re a smart player. Lets see some input.
Hurricane, who are you? I think you’re new (?) but you need to get playing. Make some posts.

Interesting theory: It seems that the kingmaker is a role that can’t fail. Most priest effects make the targeted player’s role fail. It’s a cost of using the power. But if you (priest) use your role on the kingmaker, I think you get your effect while still allowing the km to use his effect. This sounds like an advantage without a drawback. I like it. I would suggest that the priest spend a lot of time trying to figure out who the km is and using his role to protect him.

Can anyone else think of ways to abuse the kingmaker mechanic?

Diaz: I get so sick of answering this question...
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Sorry, I honestly didn’t know. I only started last game, and in that game, some roles were not randomly assigned.
 
Diaz said:
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Players who didn’t post that they received their role:
5. Azure Kite
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AK, someone’s gotta call you out, might as well be me. Everyone knows you’re a smart player. Lets see some input.
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Diaz, did you not read Cardz's last post....

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Also, Azure Kite is currently away (PMed me about the situaion about a week ago), but will be rejoining us within the next few days for discussion within the next few days.
THE POPULAR VOTE:

Lakak- 2
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So why are you calling out AK like that? He has a validated reason for not posting...
 
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Good call. I did forget about that. It was strange that we hadn't heard from him. Turns out there was a reason. It would be nice to have him helping us out though.

Looks like Hurricane is a player to think about.
 
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I actually lol'd at that one. Another smacktack in this game lol. That explains it!
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Lol

Well, now that this is known, what direction does the town take now? Is there any possible way to determine a few lists of people?

I am not talking about anything "definite" but, I think we do have some information that allows us to narrow some people down or at least the amount of roles.

I hope this doesn't sound stupid or gets me lynched because I think this could make us have some priorities for voting.

LMK if this idea is good or not
 
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Just got back from D.C. earlier today. (okay, now it's yesterday for me, but whatever) I came on here, and wrote up a post, but apparently I didn't actually post it. I guess I closed out the page without actually clicking the post button, which really annoys me. Whatever. I hope you all can understand I have A LOT of work to do from missing a week of homework, but I really want to be active in this game, so I'll make a conscious effort to be here. Let's get started.

Kingmaker: Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of this. I always like to have a change, but I'm a little unsure here. So here's my beef.

Diaz said:
Brash decisions by the king (all game) will not be tolerated. Every king needs to make sure they let the townspeople have their say.

As a town, we can make decisions as to who should be lynched, even if the king has the final say.
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But wait. What can we do but tolerate it? As I see, if we get a crappy king for a day, there's nothing we can do about it. Unless I missed something, a person can be made king and he/she can instantly cast a vote and end the day just like that. They don't HAVE to listen to us. Sure, if we get a smart king the next day, we can quickly lynch the offending party, but the damage may be done. This role could quickly turn wolves into saboteurs. They could sacrifice themselves to get the extra kill which could drastically turn the game in their favor if they kill a powerful role.

Another issue with this new rule is the Kingmaker himself. What if it's someone who is...well, stupid? What if the KM is killed and the new KM is stupid? A smart Kingmaker will be ESSENTIAL if the town is going to win this game. Wolves WILL jump on quick, rash, or strange actions made by the king/kingmaker. Not that there's much I can do about it, but this is how I feel. One last thing concerning this new rule.


Cardzmaster2004 said:
NOTE: OTHER VOTES MAY BE CAST
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What in the world could this possibly mean? Maybe I'm over thinking this, but what could possibly be the significance of 'other votes being cast' if the only vote that matters is the King's? Perhaps there are roles that can be taken out by normal votes? Honestly I doubt it. I really don't understand this at all.


Okay, moving on. I applaud the decision of DP as the first King, I think it was the right decision. And let's not get into a bunch about DP 'threatening' Smacktack. One of the first things I'd do if necessary as King for the day is assert my authority as the one in control of the day. And that's one of the good things about it, the king is pretty muchly in control of the day. He has the power to end you there, and no one wants to be out of the game. All DP was doing was flexing his muscles. Honestly, Smacktack, I'd recommend you watch yourself, You got into trouble REAL EARLY last game.

And no, I'm not at all sucking up to DP. Sure he's the king, but I'm not morally that low. Those of you from past games will know we've been at odds quite a few times. That being said, I respect DP as a very skilled player. Let's take our time with this one, and have the right decision made. I think if the town can use this new rule to our advantage, we can definitely win. Remember, there are more of us than there are of them. At least, that was the slogan at the Values Voter Summit where I was this past weekend. Great to be back. Let's play some WW y'all.
 
AK,

I believe that the "other votes may be cast" thing doesn't effect my vote, or have any effect on the game at all. I think Cardz mentioned that so the town knows that they CAN cast votes, so the king can know who the town wants to lynch. By all means, cast votes, suggest players.

So, please, let me know what you guys want to do. Tell me who you want lynched, and give a good reason why. If you're going to say who you want lynched, please leave an explanation for WHY they should be lynched. Anyone who casts a vote and does not give even a small explanation will immediately be considered for the lynch. If I see anything that looks like bandwagoning, you will also be considered for lynch.

I say all this, not to be a voting nazzi, but because both voting with out explaining, and bandwagoning are both common wolf tactics. I don't want to make their job any easier than it has to be.

Let's get some good discussion going. The more discussion we have, the more likely a wolf will slip up (especially if we have a few stupid wolves). Not to mention, the more discussion we have, the easier it will be to determine who is trying to avoid posting often, which also tends to weed out any low lying wolves.
 
sorry that i haven't posted yet, i've been a little busy and have just been watching the discussion and how it plays out.

Firstly many people are obsessing over the role of the king maker, this is because it controls the lynch. In many previous games the "lynch" is how the town would kill players that they believed to be wolves ( occasionally there were town aligned killing roles), for this reason we can deduce that the kingmaker is not a wolf, otherwise the game is already lost. Instead it is likely that he is a townie, though it is also possible that he could be an indie but again that would be removing a lot of power from the town aligned players, instead it allows one player to control the lynch.


Secondly, due to a lack of information in general, i believe that whoever the town maker is, would be wise to pick DarthPika as the king on the next day, rather than someone else, because he has played this many times. But is also willing to listen to what people want, while cycling it early could lead to rash or unexplained decisions by some players, also as we do not know who the townies and wolves are, it would be best to leave one player as king for now, rather than picking another person.
 
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fire spin: the only big flaw in the plan is that we don't have any idea who the wolves are right now. If DP is a wolf, then picking him repeatedly would be disaster. He IS a good player, but that makes it all the more dangerous to pick him repeatedly. Im not saying he is a wolf for sure, and Im not saying picking someone else each day will work any better. Just realize that your plan is not perfect, and does have an enormous hole in it.

Also guys, Cardz already said that the KM roll will be given to another player if the original dies. This means there isnt much point in killing / protecting the KM. a vanilla townie will rise to the role if the KM is killed, so by all means let them spend their time hunting him down. Priests are better off protecting seers. (Not that we really know who anyone is at this point). But my point stands that the KM is a very expendable role whereas priests/seers/others are not expendable.

~aam
 
i did post!!!

not very helpful though, we should try to unmask wolves even more then last games, having them become the king will be very very bad for the town.
 
pokemon99 said:
I will be reading this thread for 10 minutes every morning, and IF I HAVE TIME, I will post in the afternoon after school.

@Shining Gyarados, What does being in the 1791's have to do with anything?

Sorry for the rant there.
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Exactly. That's exactly what is most suspicious. You can post when it benefits you, but if you think posting about something might incriminate you, you can just "not have time".

If we know it's 1791, that gives us a better chance of guessing what roles there are.


All of you noobs: We know you can post when you want to. Try to post something meaningful. Reader1237, jellyfisher, Meesie, this means you as well.
 
for the Town, (given that's it 1791) i would say there are some "crafts" in the game like a Blacksmith, a Baker, a Fisherman, a Leather Harvester, a Barber and of course their apprentices. i don't know for sure, but i think it would be a good guess to make.
 
Arcanine/Arbok Master, while I do think a Priest is better off protecting someone not named the Kingmaker, protecting the Seer is almost a worse decision...most of the time the Priest role doesn't allow the person you protect to use the role that night. So if a Priest protected a Seer, yes, that would protect them, they wouldn't be able to get any information. So idk, I don't think protecting the Seer every night is a good idea lol.

dmaster out.
 
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