Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XIV: Team Rocket's Trap - TOWN WINS

If you look back past wolf day. Pokemonfreak5 isvery accurate on who are the wolves. He voted for victory bell and if my memory serves correctly he was first to vote for kayle. So if he is right well party. If not well kill pokechampofpokebeach. Trust me
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Jason, we're not talking about the wolves, though. Jellyfisher has claimed to be Lance, and the topic of debate is whether or not he's a townie or and independent, and whether or not we should kill him.

Unvote: PokeChamp
Vote: Jason


Seriously, what has he done? He's only bandwaggoned, never any real content to his posts, absolutely nothing. Floor is yours, Jason. Let's see if you actually make a good post, eh?
 
You make a valid point PikaMaster, and I'd say I half agree with you. I mean the simple logic makes sense, he really hasn't stood at publicly helped much. Still....

Jason always plays like this. In every game I've ever played with him or seen him play, both on and off Gym, he really doesn't post much. If he believes someone should go, he'll vote for them, occasionally he will list his suspicions, but usually he plays a quieter game.

And because of it I usually have NO IDEA what his role is.

Occasionally he's a wolf, plotting who to kill. Sometimes he's got a Seer type role and is gathering info. Sometimes he has a completely useless role and is just staying alive anyway. It's really hard to tell.

I mean the more I think about it the more I actually think it's a rather consistent play style. And he normally sticks around until the town run out of options and lynch him.

I'll happily say that the further down the track we go while he continues up this act and no one has any clue about him, the more edgy I'll get, but for now I think we have bigger fish to keep an eye on.

And no, this is not because of his simple flattery or the fact we're both from the same Country, this is my honest opinion of his play style.

Still, PikaMaster's given you the floor Jason. Take it away....

My Vote Holds
 
Sometimes, when looking for the complex solution, we can ignore the easy solution...

I HAVE THE NAMES OF THREE PEOPLE, ONE OF WHICH IS ALMOST DEFINITELY THE WOLF/INDY

Part of my role was a seeker, I was looking for Yellow, and Yellow was looking for me. I will not say who Yellow is, for obvious reasons. Two nights ago, we found each other. Last night, we got to use our joint power. Last night, I sent out Aero with the names of three people: Jellyfisher, Jason and PokeChampofPokeBeach, although Yoshi- was almost a choice. Yellow used telepathy to learn that one person in that group is not a townie, although not who it is.

Providing this information is true, one of us has already confessed. jellyfisher has claimed to being the one responsible for the extra kills during the night. Therefore, that means that the one person who isn't a townie has already come forward and admitted it.

Unless what you told us was a lie, Pikamaster, this means that Jason and I are confirmed townies.

I will agree that as the indie, jellyfisher has definitely contributed a lot to us by killing off almost all of the Werewolves for us. But his role requires that, eventually, he must be lynched. We can't leave him around forever, or he will win. He doesn't have to be lynched tonight, but one night, he will. Unless we can find and kill the last Werewolf. Then we automatically win. And with jellyfisher's help, I do say we stand a good chance of winning within the next game night.

Now, who is the Werewolf? That I don't know. There are several people left in the game, and I haven't drawn up any leads.

The main point of this post? Jason and I have immunity. Unless Pikamaster is lying, in which case, we'd have bigger fish to fry then myself and Jason anyway.
 
Okay people.

Let me explain a bit about myself.

For many Werewolf games I have played, I am not a kind of person who would type long posts as my main weakness is, that I have trouble writing long things and I am not good with advanced English. Plus my grammar structure sucks. And another thing is, I usually just lazy and rather not do big things.

Out of the last remaining people...

Jellyfisher, is he REALLY Lance ? High odds of lying out there.

Pikamaster, is starting to get REALLY fishy, And will more likely starting to be a control freak exploiting the situation. Just like DarthPika once was if I read it right (please forgive me, as I am tired and may not think properly).

Pokemonfreak5, he's legit. I see nothing fishy about him.

PokeChampofPokeBeach. If his latest post is basically trying to claim that he is not a wolf or an indie, then the only thing I would suspect that the wolf/indie would be between Pikamaster and Jellyfisher. Those two are just well fishy. Perhaps, Pikamaster could be lying about everything, including the 3 names he wants to target.

Other people, I'll sum it up later but right now, I want to go to bed.

NIGHT.
 
Okay, here's something else I would like to point out. It doesn't matter which alignment I am, townie or Indy, I want to get rid of the last wolf. And of course, since I have a killing role I am a huge threat to him. So if we cant find him today, and I cant find him tonight, won't I be dead anyway? In other words, if you lynch me today, you will just end up giving the wolf a free kill.

Sometimes, when looking for the complex solution, we can ignore the easy solution...



Providing this information is true, one of us has already confessed. jellyfisher has claimed to being the one responsible for the extra kills during the night. Therefore, that means that the one person who isn't a townie has already come forward and admitted it.

Unless what you told us was a lie, Pikamaster, this means that Jason and I are confirmed townies.

I will agree that as the indie, jellyfisher has definitely contributed a lot to us by killing off almost all of the Werewolves for us. But his role requires that, eventually, he must be lynched. We can't leave him around forever, or he will win. He doesn't have to be lynched tonight, but one night, he will. Unless we can find and kill the last Werewolf. Then we automatically win. And with jellyfisher's help, I do say we stand a good chance of winning within the next game night.

Now, who is the Werewolf? That I don't know. There are several people left in the game, and I haven't drawn up any leads.

The main point of this post? Jason and I have immunity. Unless Pikamaster is lying, in which case, we'd have bigger fish to fry then myself and Jason anyway.

So your saying that unless Pikamaster is lying, you and Jason are confirmed townies? I would like to remind you that there is also the possibility that something messed around with the results of the role. And that it's possible I'm telling the truth about being a townie, and that one of you two is the wolf/Indy instead of me.

But my main point being, is it really safe to assume that anyone is a townie based off of information that isn't 100 percent confirmed? And isn't that just what we would need. The last wolf left, surviving every lynch just because we thought that he was a confirmed townie.

So I just don't think you should say that you two are confirmed townies quite yet.
 
Providing this information is true, one of us has already confessed. jellyfisher has claimed to being the one responsible for the extra kills during the night. Therefore, that means that the one person who isn't a townie has already come forward and admitted it.

Unless what you told us was a lie, Pikamaster, this means that Jason and I are confirmed townies.

As I have stated, there is Lance the G-man. Lt. Surge, while an Indy, was not against the town, nor was he taken from the manga. This is why I gave Jellyfisher the benefit of the doubt until I heard from all three people.

There is still the possibility that JF is a town-aligned vigilante and one of you two is not town-aligned, or that Victory Bell messed around with the results before he died, or that JF is lying. I'm only trying to look at this from every angle as I might not be around for Yellow and I to use our power again.


Pikamaster, is starting to get REALLY fishy, And will more likely starting to be a control freak exploiting the situation. Just like DarthPika once was if I read it right (please forgive me, as I am tired and may not think properly).

Pokemonfreak5, he's legit. I see nothing fishy about him.

PokeChampofPokeBeach. If his latest post is basically trying to claim that he is not a wolf or an indie, then the only thing I would suspect that the wolf/indie would be between Pikamaster and Jellyfisher. Those two are just well fishy. Perhaps, Pikamaster could be lying about everything, including the 3 names he wants to target

Yeah, how am I starting to get really fishy? You were the one person out of the three that hadn't said anything, so I wanted to hear from you. I don't care if I have to accuse someone of something to get them to talk, as long as they talk. That's a big problem we've had this game, lack of communication.

Unvote: Jason

Here's the way I see it. We tell Jellyfisher who to target tonight, and he does it. If he doesn't, we lynch him tomorrow. If he's telling the truth about his role, then there's a 50/50 chance of finding if someone is a townie. I'm not saying that he's a townie, his posts have now led me to believe otherwise. So while I wouldn't say that Jason/PokeChamp are confirmed townies, they're still likely ones.

And, in case I need to remind you guys, I am Red. No matter what franchise you look at, Red is a good guy. So you think that I'm in cahoots with Jellyfisher? How? Please, tell me. Do you think that we're both wolves? Really? How could we be in a mason group, unless he was Yellow? Remember that?

Yeah, I completely lost my train of thought, t hat's all for now.
 
Question for Pikamaster. When you got the results from your role, did it say that one of us was a wolf, of did it say that one of us was not a townie? The reason I want to know that is because, if you look at Victory Bell's role.

Victory Bell:

You are Petrel, Team Rocket's master of disguise. You are a Werewolf with (those guys). You may communicate with each other through PM, IM, email, Skype, etc. at any time during the night phase. Each night, the Packmaster will PM me the name of ONE person. The person who's name they PM me will be killed during the night.

During the night, you may PM me with the name of any player. If any role would allow another player to learn their alignment during that night, they will appear to be a Werewolf instead.

Win Condition: Werewolves win

It says that they will appear to be a Werewolf. So if it says that one of us isn't a townie, than that probably means he didn't mess around with your role. So unless someone else messed up your role, one of us really is a wolf/Indy.
 
Question for Pikamaster. When you got the results from your role, did it say that one of us was a wolf, of did it say that one of us was not a townie? The reason I want to know that is because, if you look at Victory Bell's role.



It says that they will appear to be a Werewolf. So if it says that one of us isn't a townie, than that probably means he didn't mess around with your role. So unless someone else messed up your role, one of us really is a wolf/Indy.

But my role (well, mind and Yellow's joint power, technically) is only a pseudo-seer, so we only get to know if someone on the list isn't a townie.
 
Okay, so here we are at day eight during the game, and there is STILL inactivity.

TheKing hasn't posted since yesterday.

Yoshi- hasn't posted in well over two months.

And besides them, there are others who only post about twice every day. Seriously, this is probably the most important discussion that we have during this game! It's almost impossible not to find something to post on. Do you think I'm an Indy or a townie? If you do think that I am an Indy, do you think we should lynch me or not? If we don't lynch me, than who do you think we should lynch?

So you two should really start posting more, because right now we have the same six people posting over and over and over....
 
@Jellyfisher

If they have not posted in X days - and have not been Mod-killed, they very well have been active during the night.

Food for thought ;-)
 
Everyone has made some really good points and there are good ideas floating around. I'd just like t o say what I've been trying to get across again.

Right now it looks like there are two players remaining with Night Killing Roles, Lance and a Werewolf.
If Lance is an Indy, the game almost certainly WILL NOT END, with the death of that werewolf. Both will need to be defeated.
The wolf win condition is nearly always having an equal ratio of wolves to non-wolves. One wolf left, things need to drop to two players, highly unlikely.
The win condition for any given Indy, COULD BE ANYTHING.
Each day we leave an Indy alive, it's a day closer they will get to their unknown win condition.

I really believe we should eliminate the unknown factor first. It may well be that Lance is sympathetic to the town like Lt.Surge (who btw was in the manga....) but the ratio of his usefulness to the town against his likelihood to steal victory is tipping in the wrong direction with every day.

Oh and voting for Yoshi is going to be a waste of time atm.
 
Okay, I might as well reveal the rest of my role. If I kill to many townies, I will die. Now I know that everyone probably wont believe I'm telling the truth about that, but does that sound like an Independent?

Also, are you trying to insinuate that you are the indie? In any case, what I said about "you" (though I don't but you are actually the indie) was, at the time, absolutely true. When I made those posts, there were not many great leads, and we had a better chance of finding the indie than we did of finding a Werewolf. I do not think even you can tell me otherwise.

In answer to your question, yes I can tell you otherwise. Of the wolves I killed, one was on night two, one on night five and one on night seven. And if I am correct, you started saying that it was vital to find lance on the first update where I appeared. So from night two to day eight, I have stayed completely unknown to anyone. So in the time it took to find me, I killed THREE wolves. And you on the other hand, have found none.

So either you just haven't been able to find any, or you are a wolf. And personally, I think that it's the second option.

Again on your first point, if I were a Werewolf/indie, and someone came forward and suggested I were a possible werewolf/indie, you would think that I would try and convince you all that Pikamaster is lying. But I am doing that exact opposite action. I will actually vouch for Pikamaster's innocence, despite the fact he has cast a vote for me. If that doesn't speak for my innocence, I don't know what does.

Okay, this is the point I am trying to make. I am saying that as a wolf, a good tactic is to act like a townie. And I have done the same thing as you have. I could have tried to just say that Pikamaster was lying, or said that I thought his role probably was messed up.But instead I have been saying that his role was probably right. So can I use that to try and prove that I am a townie? And even more, since Diaz was proven to have seer powers, Pikamaster has been confirmed Red. And I think that almost everyone here has been convinced that he is a townie for a long time. So really, if you are a wolf, it would be suicidal to try and say that he was lying.

And once again, back to what I have been trying to say. It does not matter what a wolf says about believing townies and defending them! If a wolf really wants someone dead, and that person just happens to be an experienced player, he will just wait till the night to kill him. So then he can just try to get some easy kill during the day. So no, I do not think that speaks for your innocence at all.

Another thing that a wolf can do to act like a townie is what you have been doing. Trying to convince the town that it is vital to find a night killer other that the wolves, even after you made this post.

This last paragraph confirms the innocence of the Trainer, in my mind. Feeling sympathy is simply not what a cold-blooded killer does, even in the Pokemon universe. He also puts out the fire, so, in my mind this confirms that the Trainer is actually a town-aligned vigilante.

So my question to you is, why did you insist it was still important to find me after making this comment?

And I guess everyone thought that my other points weren't enough to prove I am a townie, but I will bring them up again since no one commented on them. Why would an Indy be worried about an attack form Team Rocket enough to speed up to where he was going? Why would it matter to him if they were killing townies when an Indy usually wants them dead anyway? And another thing is that Indy don't tend to show any sympathy to anyone.

Here is something else that doesn't seem like something an Indy would do.

The others woke to find two bodies left next to each other; one nearly destroyed, the other carefully set aside. They were

Why would an Indy who doesn't care about townies, and goes around killing people, take the time to set a dead townie carefully aside? An Indy would just kill his target, then go back to his room. Only a townie who cared about other townies would take the time to do that.

So do you really think that I could find so many things that don't seem like something an Indy would do if I really was an Indy?

So I will still stay with my vote.
 
I don't entirely believe the townie-ness of your role, to be honest. Though I'm not sure why everyone's assuming that all 3 are innocent, there is nothing saying in PM's posts saying that only one of them is non-town aligned, for all we know, it could be both a wolf and an indy or two indies and a wolf. There's nothing to say they're all innocent.

Now, Jellyfisher...
We have 1:
"Hyper Beam!" someone shouted, from the direction she was looking in. A ray of energy shot toward the female, slamming her into the wall.

One of the other Rockets looked back at her, then both of them ran, the Pokemon that had attacked them unable to move again so soon after using Hyper Beam.

2:
Toxictaipan glanced around the hallways nervously, knowing that the group had turned against him. Something shifted in the corner, and Toxictaipan turned around quickly. A figure rose from the shadows, and Toxictaipan prepared for him to release a Pokemon. He was not quite wary enough, though. Something hit the floor behind him with a small clunk, and the object - an Ultra Ball, tossed over the head of the unfortunate Rocket - opened to release an enormous Pokemon. Toxictaipan turned around again, horrified. In the distance, the other two remaining Rockets were running away, apparently having already conspired to abandon him to his fate. All he could do was watch as the Pokemon launched a Hyper Beam toward him at point-blank range.

2 wolf kills, lynch kills don't count towards your stack, since they aren't your decision.

And there are 2 townie kills. I honestly don't see the overbearing concept that you're truly town aligned.

There is nothing in the update that says you killed Victory Bell, quite to the contrary in fact. There is no hint as to who killed VB and there is a possibility that it was DP on his death bed.

Last point for thought, also involving DarthPika. How do we know some of the said kills weren't his "Borrowing" of your pokemon?
 
I don't entirely believe the townie-ness of your role, to be honest. Though I'm not sure why everyone's assuming that all 3 are innocent, there is nothing saying in PM's posts saying that only one of them is non-town aligned, for all we know, it could be both a wolf and an indy or two indies and a wolf. There's nothing to say they're all innocent.

Now, Jellyfisher...
We have 1:

2:

2 wolf kills, lynch kills don't count towards your stack, since they aren't your decision.

And there are 2 townie kills. I honestly don't see the overbearing concept that you're truly town aligned.

I also killed Diaz, and he was an Indy. And yes, I know that lynch kills don't count. I never said that they did. I only brought up that one update because I'm pretty sure that it was referring to me when it said that a dragon-like pokemon snapped his neck with a hyper-beam. And I only pointed that out to defend my claim that I am Lance.

There is nothing in the update that says you killed Victory Bell, quite to the contrary in fact. There is no hint as to who killed VB and there is a possibility that it was DP on his death bed.

Last point for thought, also involving DarthPika. How do we know some of the said kills weren't his "Borrowing" of your pokemon?

So you think that it could have been someone else who killed VB? How many killing roles do you think there are in this game? And the idea that DarthPika killed him is impossible. There was nothing in his role about using the pokemon he stole or being able to kill someone if they kill him.

And I'm trying to prove that I am a townie by pointing out things in the update that are obviously about me, and showing how odd it would be for an Indy to be doing them. Besides that, all I have is role-revealing and trying to prove that PokeChamp is a wolf.
 
I feel I've already cemented the facts about why I am a townie, but I will explain this to you jellyfisher: concerning what I said about you days ago, opinions do change. And you should not forget, you have also killed a couple of townies here. But I don't care about that, because you've also eliminated three wolves already, and your damage to the Werewolves is by far much worse than the damage done to the town. You have been highly useful for the moment, so for now I feel we should focus on the Werewolf. That's what I've been saying for a while today.

If I were a Werewolf, I would be doing everything in my power to kill you. Especially if I were the last one, which I think is the vital point here. Have I acted like the last remaining Werewolf in any way? Don't you think I'd be a tad desperate at this point? And yet, I am for once suggesting to just let you be for now, and to dedicate our remaining energies to the last remaining Werewolf.

With all of your suspicion towards me, I have come to acceptance with the fact that you will probably end up killing me during the night. If I were the last Werewolf, tell me, why would I take this chance? If I were the last remaining Werewolf, I would have no choice but to eliminate you as quickly from the game as possible.

But I haven't done any of this.
 
I feel I've already cemented the facts about why I am a townie, but I will explain this to you jellyfisher: concerning what I said about you days ago, opinions do change. And you should not forget, you have also killed a couple of townies here. But I don't care about that, because you've also eliminated three wolves already, and your damage to the Werewolves is by far much worse than the damage done to the town. You have been highly useful for the moment, so for now I feel we should focus on the Werewolf. That's what I've been saying for a while today.

This. This is what I've been trying to say. Victory Bell may have messed with my role, or JellyFisher is an independent, or there may be a wolf among the three. I'm more leaning towards the first or second.


If I were a Werewolf, I would be doing everything in my power to kill you. Especially if I were the last one, which I think is the vital point here. Have I acted like the last remaining Werewolf in any way? Don't you think I'd be a tad desperate at this point?

And this is the point of your post where I look at Benson and Yoshi-. Benson, why do you want him dead so badly? And where the heck is Yoshi-?

Also, may I remind you guys, an independent can win along with the town, it's the roles that are last man standing and the like that's when they can't. Just look at AT's last game,

Originally Posted by Absoltrainer
Sandslash7 - Boba Fett
You are Boba Fett. The most deadly Bounty Hunter in the galaxy. You arrived in the town after finishing a job, but got stuck here when the walls went up. Now you will do what you always do. Make a living, by being a “gun for hire”

ROLE: CONTRACTER
Every day on the update, a bulletin board will be included. On which you will have posted a contract that anyone can pick up and hire you with. You’re contracts will change between “Kill”, “Investigate”, “Capture”, “Protect”, “Scare”
No one can take the contract twice during the game. The first person to PM me saying they want to take the contract will get it. I will then PM you telling you who contracted you to do what. You have the option to refuse it. Either way you remain anonymous. Remember that even if someone asks you to investigate someone, they get all the same info you get. Remember that if they hire you to kill someone....you might be caught doing their dirty work. Be careful and accept jobs with caution. Do what you need to do to survive.

Win Condition Stay alive until the game ends.

Just food for thought
 
Okay, here is a list of the remaining players.

2. pokemonfreak5
4. TheKing
5. Pikamaster
9. Jason
12. Benson
14. Yoshi-
15. Chanman
19. jellyfisher
25. ultimatedra
26. Azure Kite
33. PokeChampofPokeBeach

And here is the list without the proven none wolves.


2. pokemonfreak5
9. Jason
12. Benson
14. Yoshi-
15. Chanman
33. PokeChampofPokeBeach

So in this group of six players, there is the last wolf.


With all of your suspicion towards me, I have come to acceptance with the fact that you will probably end up killing me during the night. If I were the last Werewolf, tell me, why would I take this chance? If I were the last remaining Werewolf, I would have no choice but to eliminate you as quickly from the game as possible.


Okay, if I do survive this day, and I do target you during the night, there would be a 50 percent chance that you would survive if you are a townie. But if I do survive today, then the town will probably control what I do.

So once again, I am going to try and prove my innocence. If I really had wanted to hurt the town, do you think that I would have been targeting the newer players every night? Seriously, if I was an Indy, I would have killed Pikamaster and I would have killed DarthPika long before the wolves got to him. In fact, if I were an Indy, there would not have been one experienced player left.


Okay, I assume that everyone here who does thinks that I am an Indy thinks that my win condition is last man standing? Because as far as I know, there is no other Indy role that is truly harmful. So if I was an Indy, and I did have a last man standing win condition, than I would be even less dangerous than the last wolf. Actually, I don't think that it would even be possible for me to win.


I feel I've already cemented the facts about why I am a townie, but I will explain this to you jellyfisher: concerning what I said about you days ago, opinions do change. And you should not forget, you have also killed a couple of townies here. But I don't care about that, because you've also eliminated three wolves already, and your damage to the Werewolves is by far much worse than the damage done to the town. You have been highly useful for the moment, so for now I feel we should focus on the Werewolf. That's what I've been saying for a while today.

If I were a Werewolf, I would be doing everything in my power to kill you. Especially if I were the last one, which I think is the vital point here. Have I acted like the last remaining Werewolf in any way? Don't you think I'd be a tad desperate at this point? And yet, I am for once suggesting to just let you be for now, and to dedicate our remaining energies to the last remaining Werewolf.

I am not nearly as suspicious of you now compared to before. I am still not completely sure that you are a townie, but I do not think this is needed anymore.

Unvote: PokeChampofPokeBeach
 
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