Werewolf XIV: Team Rocket's Trap - TOWN WINS

[Pikamaster]

Stupid Pika hit the wrong button....

Me being a point of controversy? Interesting... Now, before I say anything about me, I have reason to believe that Oca is a wolf. If this it true, the wolves have some form of role-blocking power, either once every other night or they just can't target the same person twice in a row. Why? Night's 3 and 5 I was role blocked.

Now, about me. Yes, I blatantly lied about having Mewtwo. I figured that that would be a good alternative to the truth about why I've become powerful.

Anyways... Yeah, I lied for a reason, and my power isn't exactly what I said that it is. No, I am not an independent, I am town-aligned. There are just certain days when my death from the wolves would benefit the town, and there are days when it would not. However, I'm not going to say why, as someone else would not benefit from this.

 

[TheKing]

*Yawn*

AAANNNDDD i am back!

I believe the Genie from Aladdin said it best - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLQLFJrV_o4

Now, i am going to be upfront about all the info i have received:

• I received the Diary of Lucian - just showing that Waynegg is town aligned. The rest was apparently unreadable. I PM'd Lucario EX asking if i could study the book further, but got no additional info.
• I received an item from an unknown source (Lucario EX PM'd me) - but i had no knowledge of how to use it. Lot of good that did me. I tried pleading to Lucario EX if my ability would give me info on who gave it to me, but no dice.
• I was killed by an ability, not by wolf voting. So either an independent or wolf ability. I FINALLY got some decent use of my ability, too little too late. I got a couple of names of roles, but they are already dead now, so that info is now moot.

Now i was surprised that TheKing did not use his ability to get info from me. Being a pseudo-seer, i would think i would be a prime target.

VOTE: TheKing

I'm not sure if I'm just really bad at explaining my role or you guys are just really stupid. For me to have been able to talk to you, I would have had to put your name on my list the previous day. since you haven't really said much, I didn't choose you so I couldn't talk to you, is it really that hard to understand?

 

[Benson]

I'm not sure if I'm just really bad at explaining my role or you guys are just really stupid. For me to have been able to talk to you, I would have had to put your name on my list the previous day. since you haven't really said much, I didn't choose you so I couldn't talk to you, is it really that hard to understand?

I think some people are just bad at interpretting, no offence.

I got straight away that you mean: Effects of TheKing's role

...during the night I give Lucario EX 3 names, if anyone of those people die during the night or the next die I am able to communicate with them.

Once per night, he gets to PM LEX three names of his choosing.
If any of those people die during that night, or the FOLLOWING day, he is able to communicate with them, if they choose to answer him.
This is a luck of the draw, to the most effect, role; he can't decide to communicate with someone once they are dead, if he didn't guess the night/day they would die.

 

[TheKing]

Yeah, you got it right

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

I've been thinking about the night update a lot as of late. There is still an independent (at least, as far as we know) killer on the loose (from last update appears to perhaps be Lance?), and I'm wondering about his action last night.

As you may recall, Pikamaster bluffed big by pretending he had a kill role. Whoever the indie/vigilante is (for the sake of argument, I will refer to him as Lance), he did not appear to be concerned by Pikamaster. What was going on his mind could be many things:

(A). He was sure that the Wolves would kill Pikamaster for him.
(B). He didn't believe that Pikamaster was telling the truth.
(C). He is Pikamaster. I rule this one out, however, because why would Pikamaster come forward and bluff about having a kill-role, risking life and limb and revealing himself if he was the killer? This is obviously illogical.
(D). He felt as if he was so ambiguous that Pikamaster wouldn't be able to tell who he was.

Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that Pikamaster has to be a townie. While he did lie about his role, it just doesn't make sense for someone with a kill-role to act like they have a kill-role. In fact, someone with a kill-role would probably do the exact opposite: pretend that they are just an innocent townie. And therein lies the key.

While for the moment we haven't gained any leads, we are getting closer to finding out who Lance is. By looking at his actions, I truly think it would be possible to decipher his identity. I for one am now going to look at the night updates and try to find a pattern in the killings. If we can find a pattern, it may be possible to link that pattern back to Lance (if he is the killer).

 

[Pikamaster]

You... you dedicated a post to me... I'd like to thank the academy... And myself... But most of all, I'd like to thank *sniff* my lying. Without it, I would never have become the subject of controversy that I am today.

Vote: Joegg

I didn't even realize that this guy existed...

 

[Victory Bell]

Smacktrack's replacements nor Smacktrack have said anything helpful at all. Ever. He may as well not exist. He's not even voting. Say that Smacktrack was the hyperbeam killer. Maybe he could pick halfway decent targets. Obviously his replacements can't. Joegg either way just isn't good for much of anything right now even if he is the killer.

 

[jellyfisher]

Smacktrack's replacements nor Smacktrack have said anything helpful at all. Ever. He may as well not exist. He's not even voting. Say that Smacktrack was the hyperbeam killer. Maybe he could pick halfway decent targets. Obviously his replacements can't. Joegg either way just isn't good for much of anything right now even if he is the killer.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't get on here and start posting, but I would like to point out that he did vote last game day.

Vote: headsrcool



From looking at previous werewolf games, it seems that you've been extrememly eager to get in and play, but were never able to. Now, not only have you been given a position and role, you have had it since Day 1!

Now, as your signature states, you placed 1st in worlds and nats of '05 and 4th in both nats of '04 and worlds of '08. All impressive feats that give testament to your skill in strategy and your involvement in pokemon.

My Question: Why would someone so enthused to play werewolf and so gifted at strategy, stay completely silent through the entirity of their first werewolf game?

But I do agree that he needs to get on here and start posting. So for now... Vote: joegg

 

[joegg]

You... you dedicated a post to me... I'd like to thank the academy... And myself... But most of all, I'd like to thank *sniff* my lying. Without it, I would never have become the subject of controversy that I am today.

Vote: Joegg

I didn't even realize that this guy existed...

Pick on the new guy , huh? Pretty weak, but whatever. You know between the hours dedicated to work and school it does take a little while to get caught up to speed...

And, how are you guys so blind you don't pick up on the obvious and so stupid you would blindly believe anybody straight away in this game??? Per the night update:

shinygyarados:

You are Mewtwo, the clone Pokemon. You were recaptured by Team Rocket, and now are trying to cause enough mayhem that you can escape.

During the night, you can PM me the name of any dead player. They then have a small chance of being revived as a Clone, with no special abilities and a new win condition.

Win condition: Only Mewtwo and Clones are alive.

And we know that both ultimatedra and Azure Kite are clones. Why aren't we focusing on the known instead of grasping for straws? What just because PokeChampofPokebeach posted this?

The clones seem relatively innocent to me. They have no role and are unable to win the game, so they pose absolutely no threat to anyone.

Or was it because Azure Kite posted this?

I'm surprised....thought I'd die if SG did. So yeah, I guess I have no use now. SOMEONE PROTECT ME TONIGHT

No, but this is very interesting. In the past, I thought people died automatically when their win condition was vanquished. But whatever. Guys I'm sorry I haven't been as active in this game. It's hard to get into when you die, give up, then out of nowhere you're back in.

Anywho, good points have been made so far, I apologize for my lack of contribution once again....but yes, let's here from Pikamaster. I'm surprised we haven't investigated him sooner, he's been rather fishy this game.

And you fall for it hook line and sinker? Really?? As AK said, "In the past, I thought people died automatically when their win condition was vanquished." So, who's to say the win condition isn't gone. Either way they certainly aren't town based, so that's where my vote will fall. I'm also keeping a close eye on PCoPB as he was a bit quick on the upshoot to make that claim. Maybe he's in with them somehow or even a wolf.

Vote: ultimatedra

 

[Azure Kite]

I couldn't care less about Ultimatedra, but I will say this (since I am obviously next according to your course of action) : My win condition IS that SG and the clones are the last standing. I have gotten no PMs from LEX since then to change anything. So I legitimately do not know anything that we can possibly accomplish now. If there's another win condition for us, I do not know it.

 

[Pikamaster]

Pick on the new guy , huh? Pretty weak, but whatever. You know between the hours dedicated to work and school it does take a little while to get caught up to speed...

Pick on the new guy? No, it's going after the person who's extremely inactive but hasn't gotten modkilled for inactivity. One post.

And, how are you guys so blind you don't pick up on the obvious and so stupid you would blindly believe anybody straight away in this game??? Per the night update:

Yes, we know that. However, for now, the clones aren't doing anything. The wolves and Lance, however, are killing two people a night. We know who the clones are, there are two of them. There are three wolves/independent. For now, they are serving the purpose of the evil we know, if they do anything at all.

And, how are you guys so blind you don't pick up on the obvious and so stupid you would blindly believe anybody straight away in this game??? Per the night update:

And we know that both ultimatedra and Azure Kite are clones. Why aren't we focusing on the known instead of grasping for straws? What just because PokeChampofPokebeach posted this?


And you fall for it hook line and sinker? Really?? As AK said, "In the past, I thought people died automatically when their win condition was vanquished." So, who's to say the win condition isn't gone. Either way they certainly aren't town based, so that's where my vote will fall. I'm also keeping a close eye on PCoPB as he was a bit quick on the upshoot to make that claim. Maybe he's in with them somehow or even a wolf.

As I said, we know who they are. Why go after them just now when they aren't the reason we're losing two townies a night? It's more disconcerting to me that two hours after I make my post, you suddenly post. It never fails, does it? The second you bring someone's name up, they start posting.

 

[joegg]

@1210

I think you bring more to the game and I think it would be better to test the theory on ultimatedra first.

This:

Smacktrack's replacements nor Smacktrack have said anything helpful at all. Ever. He may as well not exist. He's not even voting. Say that Smacktrack was the hyperbeam killer. Maybe he could pick halfway decent targets. Obviously his replacements can't. Joegg either way just isn't good for much of anything right now even if he is the killer.

Victory Bell has been under suspicion from many players at numerous points during this game. Here he seems to be trying to start a bandwagon vote. Could he be the presumably last wolf left?? He wouldn't want to vote as that may shine a bit of unwanted light onto him. But putting the thought in people's minds to get a ill tought out popularity vote going would be a wise tactic in this game. I could definitely swing my vote in his direction if the more experienced players find it prudent.

 

[Pikamaster]

1212

@1210

I think you bring more to the game and I think it would be better to test the theory on ultimatedra first.

This:


Victory Bell has been under suspicion from many players at numerous points during this game. Here he seems to be trying to start a bandwagon vote. Could he be the presumably last wolf left?? He wouldn't want to vote as that may shine a bit of unwanted light onto him. But putting the thought in people's minds to get a ill tought out popularity vote going would be a wise tactic in this game. I could definitely swing my vote in his direction if the more experienced players find it prudent.

...You say that he's trying to start a bandwagon, but you're saying that you would bandwagon if the vets started voting? I'm not saying you're who we're looking for, I'm not denying it. Victory Bell could be someone, but he could not be.

Here's a list of the players who are left. Blue people are confirmed townies, green people are non-wolves, but not townies, orange are probable townies. If I missed something, correct me.

2. pokemonfreak5
4. TheKing
5. Pikamaster
7. DarthPika
9. Jason
12. Benson
14. Yoshi-
15. Chanman
18. Victory Bell
19. jellyfisher
24. joegg
25. ultimatedra - Sabrina
26. Azure Kite - Liza
33. PokeChampofPokeBeach

Now, there are eight people left unconfirmed or suspected anything. Three of those people are wolves/Lance. If we look at past behavior, we have a pretty decent shot at hitting one of the three. Make sense?

 

[joegg]

Pick on the new guy? No, it's going after the person who's extremely inactive but hasn't gotten modkilled for inactivity. One post.

I've been on for one day... ONE. I posted that day and then got caught up on the game. Like I said extremely WEAK reason. Nice how you got your brother rolling with you though.

Yes, we know that. However, for now, the clones aren't doing anything. You don't know that for a fact. You are assuming and taking their word for itThe wolves and Lance Again you are assuming- to my knowledge Lance has never been officially named, however, are killing two people a night. We know who the clones are, there are two of them. There are three wolves/independent Again you assume. There is absolutely ZERO hard evidence of the exact numbers of anything. For now, they are serving the purpose of the evil we know, if they do anything at all.

And, how are you guys so blind you don't pick up on the obvious and so stupid you would blindly believe anybody straight away in this game??? Per the night update:




As I said, we know who they are. Why go after them just now when they aren't the reason we're losing two townies a night? Because you DON'T KNOW that they aren't at least part of that reason. You're making pure assumptions. Go with what you KNOW and you KNOW there are 2 clones and you KNOW they aren't town based. What more do you need? It's more disconcerting to me that two hours after I make my post, you suddenly post. It never fails, does it? The second you bring someone's name up, they start posting. Wow, big damning evidence there buddy. It's Saturday...no school, no work, not busy.

Replies in bold.

...You say that he's trying to start a bandwagon, but you're saying that you would bandwagon if the vets started voting? I'm not saying you're who we're looking for, I'm not denying it. Victory Bell could be someone, but he could not be.

Not at all. Just saying that if others who are more experienced in this game can give good logic and tangible evidence that my vote could be swayed in that direction. I gotta have proof. Right now there is hard evidence on 2 non townspeople. I won't bandwagon.

 

[TheKing]

Pikamasater, if you consider yourself a confirmed townie, why lie and say you have a powerful role? did you expect to be priested or something because the wolves would of killed you if they actually believed you.

 

[joegg]

Sorry my last post was so hard to make out, I'm still learning the system here. I've cleaned it up for easier reading and reposted it:

Pick on the new guy? No, it's going after the person who's extremely inactive but hasn't gotten modkilled for inactivity. One post.

I've been on for one day... ONE. I posted that day and then got caught up on the game. Like I said extremely WEAK reason. Nice how you got your brother rolling with you though.

Yes, we know that. However, for now, the clones aren't doing anything.

You don't know that for a fact. You are assuming and taking their word for it.

The wolves and Lance,

Again you are assuming- to my knowledge Lance has never been officially named.

however, are killing two people a night. We know who the clones are, there are two of them. There are three wolves/independent.

Again you assume. There is absolutely ZERO hard evidence of the exact numbers of anything.

For now, they are serving the purpose of the evil we know, if they do anything at all.

And, how are you guys so blind you don't pick up on the obvious and so stupid you would blindly believe anybody straight away in this game??? Per the night update:

As I said, we know who they are. Why go after them just now when they aren't the reason we're losing two townies a night?

Because you DON'T KNOW that they aren't at least part of that reason. You're making pure assumptions. Go with what you KNOW and you KNOW there are 2 clones and you KNOW they aren't town based. What more do you need?

It's more disconcerting to me that two hours after I make my post, you suddenly post. It never fails, does it? The second you bring someone's name up, they start posting.

Wow, big damning evidence there buddy. It's Saturday...no school, no work, not busy.

...You say that he's trying to start a bandwagon, but you're saying that you would bandwagon if the vets started voting? I'm not saying you're who we're looking for, I'm not denying it. Victory Bell could be someone, but he could not be.

Not at all. Just saying that if others who are more experienced in this game can give good logic and tangible evidence that my vote could be swayed in that direction. I gotta have proof. Right now there is hard evidence on 2 non townspeople. I won't bandwagon.

 

[Pikamaster]

I've been on for one day... ONE. I posted that day and then got caught up on the game. Like I said extremely WEAK reason. Nice how you got your brother rolling with you though.

I do not tell him to do anything, I do not ask him to do anything than bump me occasionally. What he does is his own decision, I have no influence in it. And I know that people have work/school/etc, and I'm not saying to vote for you. I wanted you to start posting.

Yes, we know that. However, for now, the clones aren't doing anything.

You don't know that for a fact. You are assuming and taking their word for it. The wolves and Lance Again you are assuming- to my knowledge Lance has never been officially named, however, are killing two people a night. We know who the clones are, there are two of them. There are three wolves/independent Again you assume. There is absolutely ZERO hard evidence of the exact numbers of anything. For now, they are serving the purpose of the evil we know, if they do anything at all.

Replies in bold.

Yes, I am assuming. But for the past few nights when Mewtwo was alive, they did nothing.

I thought we had decided to call the independent Lance for now, as it appears he has a Dragonite and a Dragonair, and fits with the Manga Lance, and this game has manga elements.

Going off of the night 5 update, there are two wolves left.

Not at all. Just saying that if others who are more experienced in this game can give good logic and tangible evidence that my vote could be swayed in that direction. I gotta have proof. Right now there is hard evidence on 2 non townspeople. I won't bandwagon.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Victory Bell]

@1210
Victory Bell has been under suspicion from many players at numerous points during this game. Here he seems to be trying to start a bandwagon vote. Could he be the presumably last wolf left?? He wouldn't want to vote as that may shine a bit of unwanted light onto him. But putting the thought in people's minds to get a ill tought out popularity vote going would be a wise tactic in this game. I could definitely swing my vote in his direction if the more experienced players find it prudent.

I would be doing something like what you/smack/splodenow were doing previous to this point: Being totally quiet and under the radar until accused. You are no less of a bandwagoner than I apparently am based on that post.

I doubt you're a wolf though, if you are, you aren't doing a very good job. I find it hard to believe you would be so accusatory if you had so much to risk.

 

[Pikamaster]

Pikamasater, if you consider yourself a confirmed townie, why lie and say you have a powerful role? did you expect to be priested or something because the wolves would of killed you if they actually believed you.

Anyways... Yeah, I lied for a reason, and my power isn't exactly what I said that it is. No, I am not an independent, I am town-aligned. There are just certain days when my death from the wolves would benefit the town, and there are days when it would not. However, I'm not going to say why, as someone else would not benefit from this.

Read that post again, it contains the answer that you are looking for.

 

[joegg]

I would be doing something like what you/smack/splodenow were doing previous to this point: Being totally quiet and under the radar until accused. You are no less of a bandwagoner than I apparently am based on that post.

I doubt you're a wolf though, if you are, you aren't doing a very good job. I find it hard to believe you would be so accusatory if you had so much to risk.

I get my role and read enough to post something worthwhile on page 47, then on page 48 headsrcool gets himself mod killed ending the day. Now it's just page 49 and now that it's the weekend I can get on and play (and have as evidenced by my posts). How is that even remotely inactive?

Sounds like you're trying to get the stink off yourself without answering for any of your suspicious activity. That's a lot like shift the blame. You're getting dangerously close to making me switch my vote. Hope you have a great answer for us.