What do you think are the top decks in E-On?

[swanton1717]

Prime. Are you autistic or just doing a good imitation?
No just acting like you my friend...just acting like you, on a good day that is!

Gard does whatever. Blaze sends up ninetales for OHKO. Gard sends up next Gard, ko's blaze. OOPS NEXT NINETALES OHKOs.

You have to discard how many energy to OHKO gardevior? 7? Sure you can discard that once, but a gardevior player will never give you the needed turns to get another 7 energy on another ninetails. And if you wait till you get 14 energy, thats atleast 8 turns, meaning the gardevior player has 2 fully powered EX's and can start attacking for a minimal of 80 EVERY TURN. Meaning that Ninetails is OHKO'd, and if you have atleast 2 energy on the field, Blaziken is OHKO'd aswell.

EDIT: Wait, actually you can get it powered up faster but only if you get like 4 blaziken out which is almost impossible. But even if it is done, thats only 4 energy, 1 from your hand makes it 5. You need 6 or 7 energy just to OHKO gardevior EX.

Wow. It's not rocket science.

And yet you cannot understand it?

And BAR is good. A good player can EASILY beat any deck with it. It covers it's weaknesses well AND does tons of damage.

With major discardage. If you cannot get the energy back, it will be game over.

I thought we were talking about Rayquaza..not ninetails. Anyway it would only take Ninetails 6 to kill a Gardevoir, but cant they just keep a Ninetails benched from the beginning and attach energy to it until it has 6? And frankly a Gardevoir Ex KO is worth more then a Ninetails KO. Blaziken has more recovery then Gardevoir. So Even if it is Blaziken/Ninetails it should beat Gardevoir.

And if you dont play that often you shouldnt aruge with us who do play a lot..

 

[ausen]

And you gotta be stupid with me, I don't play pokemon alot. I barely touch apprentice. But I can see how cards play out and see strategies.

THAT explains it. You "see how the cards play out"? "See strategies"? That's the first mistake. Strategies "look good", but that's like saying I could beat mike tyson if he had his hands behind his back.

Yes, if Blaziken sits on its tail and just waits for Gardevoir to have 4 powered Gard ex's, GEE, MAYBE THAT'S a bad idea....but it doesn't. It's entirely evident that you haven't played a single game in this format, let alone with the deck you call "awesome", because you don't see it's weaknesses and it's ability to be outhit/outspeeded. Oops.

"EDIT: Wait, actually you can get it powered up faster but only if you get like 4 blaziken out which is almost impossible. But even if it is done, thats only 4 energy, 1 from your hand makes it 5. You need 6 or 7 energy just to OHKO gardevior EX. "

Wow. Clearly you don't see that a) Gardevoir either takes self damage, uses boosts or takes FOUR TURNS to power up, or you're blind. Whatever. Regardless, what do you think your opponent does while you power up? Sit on his ***? Of course not. He powers up HIS pokemon. DUH. And not only that, but with 2 blaze out, over the two turns it would take to power a Gardevoir from scratch, with help from RS version, blaziken attaches 6 energy to ninetales. 130 damage. Gardevoir added 40 from the energies. OOPS.

Don't talk from what you "think will happen" and what you "think looks good", because it WON'T happen and it DOESN'T look good. Any decent player playing Blaziken will own Gardevoir every day of the week.

 

[Prime]

Losing to you would not prove you right or wrong. Just that you were the better player, in which I don't doubt you are. But lets think of the best game. The aweful part about rayquaza is that you have to have lightning on it to even attack. If you cannot lucky draw the electric, it sits there a sitting duck. Gardevior on the other hands can get itself an extra energy every turn plus the one energy per turn and on turn 3 having it powered up attacking for either the number of cards in your hand(most of the time 4-6) or hitting you for 40 plus the extra 10 on my bench and the extra 30 on yours meaning 80 on turn 3.

 

[swanton1717]

Losing to you would not prove you right or wrong. Just that you were the better player, in which I don't doubt you are. But lets think of the best game. The aweful part about rayquaza is that you have to have lightning on it to even attack. If you cannot lucky draw the electric, it sits there a sitting duck. Gardevior on the other hands can get itself an extra energy every turn plus the one energy per turn and on turn 3 having it powered up attacking for either the number of cards in your hand(most of the time 4-6) or hitting you for 40 plus the extra 10 on my bench and the extra 30 on yours meaning 80 on turn 3.

Well Oracle/Delcatty gets the electric energy. And while you can attach 2 a turn, u are taking 20 damage. Which makes Ninetails and Rayquaza have to discard less to KO gardevoir.

 

[Prime]

THAT explains it. You......blah blah blah...mindless jabber

Yeah I guess you would have to sink pretty low to start verbally attacking people over a card game, wouldn't you? And I have played many games in this format. But I just don't pl....no, what do I need to explain myself to you? Mister, I am so perfect. Now I might not be the best player in the world, but I know you mister perfect aren't the best either, and until then, I don't see where you get off calling people names and verbally abusing them. Gosh, grow up, really!

But I didn't come here to flame others, like you have so I will continue with the main subject. I would rank Gardevior EX first, followed by BAR, only because I have played a few BAR decks and they really are good. But really, for rayquaza to work at all, you need blaziken, ampharos and delcatty out in which is almost impossible to get out faster than your opponent can get out gardevior EX powered with a few gardevior regular on the bench. Because with some healing(moo moo clears 40, oran clears 20, potion clears 20), you can easily power it up and not take any damage. Add in the gym that heals me 10 everytime I lay an energy and it's no sweat.

 

[plaidlesspez]

Any proper Blaze decks will have 3 blaziken benched turn 3.

Wha?? I don't think I've ever played against a Blazzy deck and they've had 3 blaziken on turn 3. Usually they will get at least 1, sometimes 2, but never 3. How do you figure they get that many on turn 3? To get that, they'd need a hand of Sparce, 1 Fire, 3 Rare Candy, 3 Blazzy. That would be a hand of 8 cards, and I know it's possible to use trainers to draw stuff, but I find that highly unlikely.

 

[SupremeBlader22]

no blaze r out FAST! trust me, like 9/10 times i play i get catty on bench on turn 2 and i usually have an oracle which will let me get my candies, blaze, tails, chic, and wht eva else i need to get PLUS im addin NRGs to my discard pile. another thing..about the sparce..most ppl run 3-4 sparce in there deck so they can usually have them startin up

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Okay ausen is putting Blaziken in some ridiculous terms. Prime you are making valid points about Garde which is exactly why most people are putting it as #2 of everything in the format. But a lot of good players have tested the match-up a lot. Almost all agree that Blaziken has a serious advantage. You have said yourself you have not tested this so much and a lot of good players have and agree on Blazi's advantage. You have already looked over some keys to the Blaziken deck. Sure Gardevoir ex can beat it if it gets a much much better start. If you have enough time to build 2 Gard exs and a Gard RS and they are stuck top-decking for a Rayquaza or an Electric or some draw power your gonna win. But Blaziken will get built on average just as quick as Gardevoir and in that case will usually beat it because you ohko the Gard exs and they have less nrg to counter with. If the exs come off the board I will take Blaze swarm over Gard Rs swarm. Plus Blaziken has Delcatty which makes it even less likely then most decks to start slowly. Btw, you don't need to build Blaze, Ray AND Amphy. Amphy isn't really even needed. Just Blaziken to power up Ray and Ray. You can play Swithc instead of amphy. Amphy doesn't get more nrg on the board. Amphy makes it better but in exchange for space.

 

[ausen]

OK. Let me spell it out.

Gardevoir uses energy to attack. Gardevoir ex uses more, but still energy.

Blaziken DISCARDS ENERGY. Ninetales DISCARDS ENERGY. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? NINETAILS DISCARDS EVERYTHING.

Blaziken outspeeds gardevoir. It builds multiples better, and recovers from kos better. It runs better draw. It controls its damage easier. It can ohko ANY POKEMON in the game.

IF Gardevoir uses the power, it either WASTES DECK SPACE by playing healing cards, thus taking out room for DRAW, ENERGY or other neccessary cards, OR it takes 20 damage. EITHER WAY GARD LOSES.

Gardevoir ex is an ex pokemon. That means, when ko'd, you lose TWO prizes. If you trade 1 ko for 1 ko, YOU LOSE ON THE DEAL. DUH. What? You ko'd a delcatty/dunsparce? OOPS YOU'RE KO'D with ninetales! Gonna bring up the other Gardevoir? OOPS ANOTHER KO FOR NINETALES!

Gardevoir RS lacks the power needed to ohko the pokemon of blaziken. They DISCARD energy. Gardevoir needs EIGHT energy attached to ko them. Gardevoir ex LOSES on the exchange.

So, to review....Blaziken is faster. Blaziken recovers better. Blaziken has better draw power. Blaziken has greater consistency DUE TO SAID DRAW POWER. Blaziken powers up faster/better. Blaziken OHKOs better. Blaziken is NOT an ex pokemon. By Blaziken, i mean the DECK Blaziken/Ninetales, not the pokemon.

The point: It's stronger. It's faster. It plays to Gardevoir's weakness by DISCARDING energy. It goes 2 for 1 vs it on prizes because it isn't ex. Gardevoir loses to Blaziken in any fair matchup of players. That's it. :X

 

[meganium45]

For fear of seeming new to this conversation, what about replacing Amphy with Venusaur, and increasing the energy advantage even further.

I may just have to play with combos, as when I build the RAQ deck, it just seems to need too many things to go right to set up quickly. Even with Dunsparce.

I will continue to try, as when the deck goes off, its power is hard to beat. Problem is when it stalls, the bad boy REALLY stalls (at least for me)

OK, enough of my random thought - back to Swanton for more intelligent thoughts.

yeah, I know Venu is weak to fire, which is running rampant. I just hope A/M gives us some new options with which to beat this system. I think they will, I really do.

M45

 

[nikePK]

K, Ausen lol, lighten up dude ^_^

In any case, as much as I hate to admit it, I think that Blaziken is the best deck in the format. I think it has more weaknesses than Ampharos and Aggron/F/W have, but those weaknesses usually lose to rogue stuff or other decks more often.

Example? Well, I believe Salamence beats Blaze/whatever and so does Muk ex. However, how often do you see Muk ex beating something like Ampy or Gardy? Never... that's what I thought lol. Gardy will more than likely beat Salamence, though it depends on how good of a start each person gets and Aggron, if it gets setup, should also be able to beat Sally. If gardy doesn't start with Wynaut, its in real trouble for sure, but that doesn't mean its the end of the game, not by a long shot.

What's really interesting, is that even though Blaze/whatever is prolly the best, I think we'll see more Gardy played just because everyone thinks it is god. And I really do think Gardy is good. Boost makes it good. However, Gardy WILL NOT WIN in a matchup against Blaziken/Ray or Blaze/Eggs (blaze/eggs is horribly outdated imo).

I would say that overall, Blaze is the best simply because Blaziken is the best pokemon in this format. That doesn't mean the deck is going to win all the time, but the darn thing just has SOOOO much opportunity at recovery that its simply broken. If you can shut off Blaziken, you can shut off the deck, which is why I think Muk ex beats it down. Straight water w/ Crystal Shard should also be able to beat it. But like I said before, these decks lose to a LOT of stuff and you won't really see them played unless the area is going to TOTALLY be Blaziken.

It'll be interesting to see what wins at city champs, that is for sure.

 

[YoungJohn06]

Prime... my God, do you not remember me beating you quite easily on apprentice, multiple times? You saw how Bar and any Blaz deck gets out fast and beats the crap out of the opponent with no trouble... God, Simon Cowell would have a field day with you if he played Pokemon lol. You really do not have any clue what wins in this format... Blaziken decks will tear the crap out of Gardevoir. Gardevoir stands like a 1% chance against BAR. With Oracle/Delcatty it is really not that difficult to get the one lightning you're acting like it's impossible to get. It's really not... I didn't have a problem getting it did I?

 

[psycodad]

However, how often do you see Muk ex beating something like Ampy or Gardy? Never... that's what I thought lol.

Hmmm
Lets see, last Saturday I went 7-1, 6-0 in swiss at the PokeShack modified tourney last week. What did I beat? Blaze/espy, Gardy, Agron, Wailord, Amphy (and a good amphy to boot), Blazequaza, and flygon. I lost in the top 4 to the same amphy I beat earlier. Yep, playing my new unposted Muk ex/umbreon list. I am in no way implying that this is a top 3 deck. It isn't the way most folks play it. In 5 modified tournies I have taken 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2 9ths and 12th. 22 player average with most or all archetypes present with some of Michigans (and Illinois) best players in attendance. Did I win them all? No, but has blaze or any other deck won them all? No? Agron has won the most followed by amphy. I still think Blaze is the best deck. Amphy might be 2nd with agron and gardy rounding out the top 4. Still, Nintendo did provide a stopper to blaze but people don't want to figure out how to beat other decks with it.

 

[ausen]

I dont see how muk ex stands a chance against a good gardevoir and amphy. Umbreons resistance is bypassed by feedback, and its no trouble to get 10 energy in play and OHKO everything with gardevoir ex.
Muk does 70 to ampharos ex, but so does it, plus half the time it will paralyze the muk.
And Aggron too, even if you get all heads on the ER2, and the aggron somehow has no metals on it, it still has the resistance, and 60 damage from rend is nuthin to sneeze at.
4 Shaman in a muk deck can disrupt Oracles, but after using the oracle, the opponents deck is now thinner, so they wont draw the same oracle again, and theyll draw more pokemon and energy that they need, especially if when you just shamaned their hand consisted of 1-2 cards.
I know the people that go to the shack arent bad players, but I do play against some of them too on apprentice.

Muk doesnt have much chance vs a good gardevoir...it has to start fast, hope for bad opp hand and you pull whatever you need.

It's a solid card with proper support, and I don't think Umbreon is it. Salamence would work a lot better, IMO.

In any case, Gardevoir is NOT the best deck. Aggron is NOT the best deck. Blaziken/Ninetails is. Thank you.

 

[Pablo]

its cool how Ausen defends Blaziken/Ninetales. Gardy doesn't stand a chance aganst a good Blazi deck, Blaziken Ninetales is easier to play than BAR, but it also beats BAR consistently, actually it doesnt loose to it because of 2 prizes vs 1 prize exchange.

Let's see the weaknesses of what are the top 5 according o almost everyone (in no particular order), by weakness I mean the decks a certain deck looses to which are also popular:

Gardy/EX: All variants of Blaze (BAR in a skilled players hands), mirro matches.

AggronEX/Wailord/Furret: OHKO decks, Blazikne variants cept for Eggs, again, BAR in a skilled players hands.

Blaziken/Ninetales: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, Muk ex doesn't do enough damage in 3 turns to stop this deck, since Ninetales koes it after 3 turns. Also Warp Point solves this problem. Salamence yeah, gusts and uses agility, but unless you backwash, you wont win all agility flips, and either Delcatty or Ninetales will KO it. Outspeeds GARD and AMPHY. BAR is an exchange of 2 prizes vs 1, buff said!

Blaziken/Rayquazza/Ampharos: Blaziken Ninetales only, beats everything else consistantly, again, Ray only need 3 nrgy to OHKO Muk anjd plays warp point too, nearly the same as Niniken, but loses to Niniken.

Ampharos ex: Gardy EX, and Blaziken variants.

So there u go, Blaziken Ninetales apart from not having any weakness, just rogue Wailord/Boost, beats everything, OHKO's everything, has free retreat because of High Pressure System. Argue, flame, w/e, but I dare anyone to beat Blaziken/Ninetales (in the hands of a skilled player) with GODevoir/Ampharos/BAR/Aggron etc, w/e u consider a top deck, and dont tell me u consider Wailord/Boost a top deck

- MuD

 

[SuperWooper]

its cool how Ausen defends Blaziken/Ninetales. Gardy doesn't stand a chance aganst a good Blazi deck, Blaziken Ninetales is easier to play than BAR, but it also beats BAR consistently, actually it doesnt loose to it because of 2 prizes vs 1 prize exchange.

Let's see the weaknesses of what are the top 5 according o almost everyone (in no particular order), by weakness I mean the decks a certain deck looses to which are also popular:

Gardy/EX: All variants of Blaze (BAR in a skilled players hands), mirro matches.

AggronEX/Wailord/Furret: OHKO decks, Blazikne variants cept for Eggs, again, BAR in a skilled players hands.

Blaziken/Ninetales: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, Muk ex doesn't do enough damage in 3 turns to stop this deck, since Ninetales koes it after 3 turns. Also Warp Point solves this problem. Salamence yeah, gusts and uses agility, but unless you backwash, you wont win all agility flips, and either Delcatty or Ninetales will KO it. Outspeeds GARD and AMPHY. BAR is an exchange of 2 prizes vs 1, buff said!

Blaziken/Rayquazza/Ampharos: Blaziken Ninetales only, beats everything else consistantly, again, Ray only need 3 nrgy to OHKO Muk anjd plays warp point too, nearly the same as Niniken, but loses to Niniken.

Ampharos ex: Gardy EX, and Blaziken variants.

So there u go, Blaziken Ninetales apart from not having any weakness, just rogue Wailord/Boost, beats everything, OHKO's everything, has free retreat because of High Pressure System. Argue, flame, w/e, but I dare anyone to beat Blaziken/Ninetales (in the hands of a skilled player) with GODevoir/Ampharos/BAR/Aggron etc, w/e u consider a top deck, and dont tell me u consider Wailord/Boost a top deck

- MuD

Oh! Blaziken is weak to nothing! That's cool how all of a sudden it lost its weakness to water. Thanks for the tip, Mudkip. (Poetry) But seriously, I'm done making fun. (Poetry) And I'll stop rhyming next time...ing. Okay. Seriously, Blaziken/Ninetales could have serious problems vs. salamence and any water decks. Granted, a fairly skilled player could defeat these two decks, but an average nothing special player will lose w/ Blaze anything if he plays those two. On two equal skill levels, Blazetales will lose. However, Blaziken is a better deck than Salamence and any water deck out there. It is completely superior in almost every aspect of the pokemon TCG. So don't throw rotten tomatoes at me, or I'll track you down and...carve my name into your back with an ice pick!

Okay, now to launch into my second sermon, entitled, "Venusaur, quit asking so many questions and stop making me preach 30 minute stupor-inducing sermons!"

Decks don't win because of the cards in them, unless the decks are completely on opposite ends of the spectrum. Players win tournaments because they are skilled at the Pokemon TCG. If I'm wrong about this, please inform me so I can start a completely new philosophy. You don't see no-name nobodies at Worlds, GenCon, Origins, yaddah yaddah yaddah. They aren't there because they have the best deck! They are there because they are the best players.

Example one: The best player in the world with a mediocre deck vs. Worst player in the world w/ best deck ever.
Who wins? The best player w/ the mediocre deck. Hopefully we all got that one:

Example two: Best player in the world with bad deck vs. Mediocre player with best deck ever.
Some people may have different views on this, but I say best player w/ bad deck. Don't bash me, we have different opinions, I'm just unjustly stating that mine is superior to all of yours, lol.

Example three: Two players of exact same skill level with different decks. One is Blaziken, the other is Gardy.
Blaziken player wins! End of story! They have the same skill level! If an average player came up to me with an average Blaziken deck, and I'd play Gardy, I'd probably win. But if an expert challenged me with the same deck against my gardy, I'd get my head bashed into the Earth!

See the difference? No one deck is superior! We all have our opinions, but we can't prove which deck is better!!!
Jermy, if you played me with BAR against my Gardy EX, and you beat me every time, it doesn't mean BAR is better. It is in your opinion, but not mine! Opinion is an individual thing, not a concrete image we can define! So quit trying! Because you're wasting your time, and quite honestly, I don't give a bucket of warm spit about what you think.

Rant away, Mudkip. I know you're going to.

 

[SuperWooper]

If I played bar against gardy and won everytime, wouldnt that prove it? Or are you saying I'm more skilled than you and that's why I would win, that the decks dont matter? It's just wrong to say that playtesting only produces opinions...it produces facts and win percentages. Equal players, using blaziken against gardevoir, the blaziken player should win like 92% of the time. That establishes the facts, not opinions.
You said no deck is superior, but i disagree. Blaziken is because he breaks the 1 energy a turn rule. Get 2 Blaziken in play, and your deck is basically getting setup 3 times as fast as regular decks(because youre attaching 3 energy a turn and your opponent 1). Even gardevoir decks can only attach 2 energy a turn, and they take 20 damage from it, and they eventually run out of energy.

Player skill level matters. From what I hear, you're probably better so you'd win. But I bet sometime you've lost to a Gardy deck with Blaze/Tales or BAR, or Bra (see the new new new modified format if you don't get it) , haven't you?

 

[SuperWooper]

So what, that's one deck on one deck. Look at the big picture, dude, not one vs. one. Pokemon isn't like that. You don't play all Gardy at any tournament. There'll be bell/shed and rouges like omastar and Gardy and all blaze variations and golem/xatu and kingdra and wailord/aggron and salamence and I couldn't count all of them. Look at the big picture. To end this whole Gardy Blaze thing:

Gardevoir has the dsiadvantage against Blaziken, but it is not the worse deck overall! There is no worst overall deck, ever, because somewhere, somebody, at sometime will use a deck that's "worse" then somebody else's and win. It happens. I think Blaziken is the most succesful deck in current tournament play, but I don't think it's the best. Besides, Jermy, you're one person. Now, when you get the enitre win-loss record of all Blaziken decks ever played, let me know, and I'll admit that I'm wrong, you're right, and delete my earlier post, but until then, there aren't any best and worse decks! Some decks are good against others, some have resistance, weakness, energy distribution, etc.

Prime, I know where you're going, and I support Gardy too, but give it up. Nobody can make anyone believe or do anything just because of a few battles!

 

[Pablo]

Oh! Blaziken is weak to nothing! That's cool how all of a sudden it lost its weakness to water. Thanks for the tip, Mudkip. (Poetry) But seriously, I'm done making fun. (Poetry) And I'll stop rhyming next time...ing. Okay. Seriously, Blaziken/Ninetales could have serious problems vs. salamence and any water decks. Granted, a fairly skilled player could defeat these two decks, but an average nothing special player will lose w/ Blaze anything if he plays those two. On two equal skill levels, Blazetales will lose. However, Blaziken is a better deck than Salamence and any water deck out there. It is completely superior in almost every aspect of the pokemon TCG. So don't throw rotten tomatoes at me, or I'll track you down and...carve my name into your back with an ice pick!

Okay, now to launch into my second sermon, entitled, "Venusaur, quit asking so many questions and stop making me preach 30 minute stupor-inducing sermons!"

Decks don't win because of the cards in them, unless the decks are completely on opposite ends of the spectrum. Players win tournaments because they are skilled at the Pokemon TCG. If I'm wrong about this, please inform me so I can start a completely new philosophy. You don't see no-name nobodies at Worlds, GenCon, Origins, yaddah yaddah yaddah. They aren't there because they have the best deck! They are there because they are the best players.

Example one: The best player in the world with a mediocre deck vs. Worst player in the world w/ best deck ever.
Who wins? The best player w/ the mediocre deck. Hopefully we all got that one:

Example two: Best player in the world with bad deck vs. Mediocre player with best deck ever.
Some people may have different views on this, but I say best player w/ bad deck. Don't bash me, we have different opinions, I'm just unjustly stating that mine is superior to all of yours, lol.

Example three: Two players of exact same skill level with different decks. One is Blaziken, the other is Gardy.
Blaziken player wins! End of story! They have the same skill level! If an average player came up to me with an average Blaziken deck, and I'd play Gardy, I'd probably win. But if an expert challenged me with the same deck against my gardy, I'd get my head bashed into the Earth!

See the difference? No one deck is superior! We all have our opinions, but we can't prove which deck is better!!!
Jermy, if you played me with BAR against my Gardy EX, and you beat me every time, it doesn't mean BAR is better. It is in your opinion, but not mine! Opinion is an individual thing, not a concrete image we can define! So quit trying! Because you're wasting your time, and quite honestly, I don't give a bucket of warm spit about what you think.

Rant away, Mudkip. I know you're going to.

lol i wont rant away. I didnt mean in weakness, the little symbol in the bottom of the card i meant as in weak or have a disadvatnage to any of the top decks. vs Sally, delcatty handles that well, and koing a sally is no different from koing a gardy ex. Water decks have some advantage over Niniken, but in actual playtest Niniken mostly wins, its only Kingdra decks that give Niniken a hard time, and even then its a 70-30 in favour of niniken, plus kingdra doesnt beat anything else apart from fire. but seriously, did u really think i would say blaziken/ninetales hasnt got a water symbol under weakness?

 

[Scizor]

Re Top Decks

Ok first off, i don't understand the obsession with Blaziken/Ninetales. It is a good deck but does not even compare to Blaziken/Quaza or BAR. IT LOSES to WATER PERIOD. I don't care if water doesn't beat everything else, but seriously how does Blaze/tales beat a wailord swarm? Anyway, Gardevoir is a good deck, but it just DOES NOT beat Blaziken. Anyway as good as Amphy is in Blaziken, i still honestly think that just plain Blaziken/Quaza is the best deck in the format, so to get technical here are the top decks once again:
1 Blaziken/Rayquaza
2 BAR
3 Gardevoir
4-5 Amphy and Aggron/Wailord

Yeah, so just quit arguing and don't diss Jermy BTW he knows what he is talking about and spends a lot of time testing. So yeah just go home =/