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What Will Dominate at Worlds 2009 and Why?

Politoed666 said:
I hope this isn't serious. Gengar was the deck to play at Nationals. I would say approximately one out of every three competitors played Gengar, and (at least in seniors) that was reflected in the top cut.
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Gengar was the play at Nationals, yet not a single one made the top 4 in Masters? If any Gengar made it to the top 8 in masters, it must have been beat pretty badly by Luxray variants.

Maybe everyone was playing Gengar, but that doesn't mean it was the play, or if there was a play for Nationals.
 
decks that have a good chance winning worlds: gengar(duh the big fat purple ghostball), flygon(but fails if it doesn't get the set up) Kingdra(its always out there) Legos (its good but you have to play smart) Luxape(too good in this format IF played right) G&G( just dont have like me a ton of sneasels,gardys,gallades and ralts prized but it beats most stuff)

- BIBmas fails it even gets donked by Uxie/bats I don't care if you mesprit me because i play WOW
 
If anything, luck and matchups dominated nationals.

completely agree. If you win worlds, not only did you get good matchups, but you got mad lucky, even though you did use maybe 10% skill.

It seems that luck(25%), matchups(25%),skill(25%) and the deck you chose(25%).

In this case it's luck 50%, matchups 25%, skill 25%
 
Alex2k said:
If anything, luck and matchups dominated nationals.

completely agree. If you win worlds, not only did you get good matchups, but you got mad lucky, even though you did use maybe 10% skill.

It seems that luck(25%), matchups(25%),skill(25%) and the deck you chose(25%).

In this case it's luck 50%, matchups 25%, skill 25%
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highly dissagree
skill is FAR more important than any of the following traits you listed
a better mind will win no matter what the match up is
and a better player can still win if their set up is horrible
 
im thinkin.......
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
juniors:Machamp,machamp,gengar,kingdra
seniors:gengar, luzape, gengar, dialga g
masters:luxape, gengar, luxape, machamp or sp deck

IMO:lol::lol::lol:
 
I find it hard to believe that luxray will win nats, I think it is all about match-ups it depends on what you end up playing against. Who knows what the Japanesse will have?
 
Honestly, power locking decks are extremely viable in the current format.
Claydol and Uxie abuse are at their highest, and very few players pack draw supporters in their decks anymore.
So, I think Palkia/Mesprit or really any deck running Alakazam mt and Power Spray will do well. Luxray will be seen a lot too cause it's power can shut down that claydol draw support which literally makes the Gengar matchup near auto-win unless they get really lucky on fainting spell flips.
 
Legos, Legos, Legos. ಠ_ಠ yay

That deck is very good for it's power locking and stuff, I expect to a at least 1 Dialga G win in either division or Legos.
 
Prime said:
Gengar was the play at Nationals, yet not a single one made the top 4 in Masters? If any Gengar made it to the top 8 in masters, it must have been beat pretty badly by Luxray variants.

Maybe everyone was playing Gengar, but that doesn't mean it was the play, or if there was a play for Nationals.
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So every deck that didn't make T4 was a bad deck? I'm going to use your own argument here:

Prime said:
That doesn't mean that Luxray dominated nationals. There are only 4 decks in the top 4. If there were 2 GG/weavile, would you say GG/weavile dominated nationals? Luxray did well, really well, but it wasn't the ultimate deck that beat everything that day. Many people ran luxray and many people lost to other decks. It just happened that 3 luxray decks made it to the top 4.

Look at the standings from the top 16 or top 32 and you'll see just how spread out the format was, and how little luxray supposedly 'dominated' nationals. With good matchups and good luck, any deck can take up more than one spot in the top cut.
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So, in that logic, Gengar didn't even NEED to T4 to be a good play... and decks spread out up to T32 may also be considered "good plays" without T4'ing. So I don't get why you put such emphasis on T4.

I'm not saying Gengar was the play (In Masters, at least), but I don't think you're giving it enough credit. There was actually 2 in T8. And I must be missing some sort of secret tech in Luxrape because, as far as I know, it actually doesn't have that great of a match-up with Gengar.. I played against a Luxray variant myself, whiffed energy the first 3 turns, and still won with my opponent having 2 prizes left. I'm not the only player actually, so don't just take my word for it, there's two factual Nats reports, one of them being a T8 Gengar player:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104193

Notice he plays FOUR DPL's in Swiss, which I'd say counts as a Luxray variant, and also a Luxrape in T16.

Another...

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103935

He beats FOUR Luxrapes in Swiss at Nats, and another in a side event.

These were the only two Gengar reports I read, but I'm sure that's pretty concrete evidence that Gengar has a decent time with Luxray and friends. And not to brag or anything, but I played Gengar going 7-1 in Swiss (Losing my last round against the only other undefeated) however with 2-0-2 Alakazam, so the combo was a bit under the radar. Case and point, it was a very good choice IMO. I'd also like to remind you Politoed666 is in Seniors, which ended up having 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all as Gengar variants. Notice 4th as well, a Luxrape that lost to Gengar!
 
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Shen said:
So every deck that didn't make T4 was a bad deck? I'm going to use your own argument here:

So, in that logic, Gengar didn't even NEED to T4 to be a good play... and decks spread out up to T32 may also be considered "good plays" without T4'ing. So I don't get why you put such emphasis on T4.
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The difference is that Politoed666 said that Gengar was 'the Play' meaning that it was beyond just a good deck, it was the best deck choice that day.

I never said Gengar wasn't a good deck. I just said that if Gengar was 'the Play', then it should have gotten farther than top 8.

There are a lot of very good decks out there, and very good combinations of good cards. I don't see there being a best deck for any given tournament. Every deck has it's bad matchups.

It just comes down to which decks run into their bad matchups, and which players have better/lesser skill and luck running those decks.
 
elekid_957 said:
^heck yeah. it'd be funny if someone played against 8 genqueen's or 8 luxapes in all their rounds like last year.
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That definitely WON'T happen this year.
Too much diversity. Trust me, worlds will not be solely Gengars and Luxapes. In fact, I expect a pretty good amount of rogue decks to be present.
 
^yeah, i was joking :p. i expect to face the same deck (at max) 3 times. there will be a bunch of rogue decks though.. everyone's been saving them up..
 
im not too sure about that
"saving" a red face paint deck for the biggest tourny this game has to offer is so risky...
you get 0 deck testing (unless you play against yourself....which...is..possible....but definately not as efficient)
and what happens when your red face paint deck that you've never played out before matches up against somebody elses random red face paint deck...
will you know what to do?

imo the best way to win a tourny is to play a deck that your confortable with and one that you know how to play with against every other deck (to the best of your ability)
 
Gengar said:
this game went from 70% skill 30% luck back in 2000-2004 to 70% luck and 30% skill. that is a FACT.
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Destiny- Absolutions-Raieggs-SpeedBan-Empozong-SP-etc are all skill decks and were played at a Major tournament some point and did well. Those are skill decks 70 skill and 30 luck, and thats post 04, you just must be really unlucky because the game is more skill now. GG was a lucksack, How so?? Look who won Nats last year.
 
Banette EX said:
Destiny- Absolutions-Raieggs-SpeedBan-Empozong-SP-etc are all skill decks and were played at a Major tournament some point and did well. Those are skill decks 70 skill and 30 luck, and thats post 04, you just must be really unlucky because the game is more skill now. GG was a lucksack, How so?? Look who won Nats last year.
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...ouch....

anyway

so heres my question
at worlds
will more people be playing luxape becuase it won nats
or will more people start playing flygon or palkia decks to try and counter the luxape???
(lol, not that either deck really has THAT good of a match up against it)
 
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