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Why Heymarker is called Heymarker?

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Haymaker decks are called Haymaker decks as it is named after the attack on the first and prerelease Base Hitmonchan whos attack was translated as 'Haymaker' rather than 'Special Punch'
 
that would almost be correct, except that special punch has never been called haymaker on any base hitmonchan card.

now then, the term haymaker is a boxing term that comes from boxing, which refers to 'a quick and powerful blow'. usually a haymaker renders your opponent stunned, allowing you to continue to pummel them. also quite often a haymaker punch is a knockout punch, which in boxing would allow you to win.

so then, a haymaker type deck in tcg's is no different really. it relies on quick attack creatures that deal a lot of damage very quickly. in pokemon especially, all the pokemon are BBPs or big basic pokemon. they all have 60+ hp, and all can attack quickly, ie, for one energy. they generally do more than the standard '1 energy for 10 damage' that is constant throughout the game, and they are also backed up by a large array of trainer cards, either to maximize their power, or further hinder the opponent.
 
The Echidna said:
that would almost be correct, except that special punch has never been called haymaker on any base hitmonchan card.
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My understanding was that was the Japanese name for the attack? However I am happy to be put right if I am wrong.. but that one is fast becoming a legend.

Certainly the term now applies to fast decks using BBPs but I still prefer the Sponge to the Haymaker ;)
 
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Here is a Haymaker trivia question for you.

What early Pokemon player/author/dignitary is often credited with the development and naming of Haymaker decks?

Hint: The same person can also be credited with starting a small personal website that ultimately developed into the PokeGym. :rolleyes:

BDS
 
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The Echidna said:
that would almost be correct, except that special punch has never been called haymaker on any base hitmonchan card.

now then, the term haymaker is a boxing term that comes from boxing, which refers to 'a quick and powerful blow'. usually a haymaker renders your opponent stunned, allowing you to continue to pummel them. also quite often a haymaker punch is a knockout punch, which in boxing would allow you to win.

so then, a haymaker type deck in tcg's is no different really. it relies on quick attack creatures that deal a lot of damage very quickly. in pokemon especially, all the pokemon are BBPs or big basic pokemon. they all have 60+ hp, and all can attack quickly, ie, for one energy. they generally do more than the standard '1 energy for 10 damage' that is constant throughout the game, and they are also backed up by a large array of trainer cards, either to maximize their power, or further hinder the opponent.
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Enchidna is exactly right about the origins for the term "Haymaker." It is a vocabulary word from the sprort of boxing. The word's meaning is everything that Enchidna has explained. My dad was an avid boxing fan from the time I was a toddler (mid 1970's) and still is. I can remember him using the term "Haymaker" and hearing the announcers broadcasting the event using that term as I would watch boxing matches with him.

I hope that helps.
:)
 
Big Daddy Snorlax said:
Here is a Haymaker trivia question for you.

What early Pokemon player/author/dignitary is often credited with the development and naming of Haymaker decks?

Hint: The same person can also be credited with starting a small personal website that ultimately developed into the PokeGym. :rolleyes:

BDS
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Brian Brokaw. Now where's my prize? =P
 
I never liked haymakers. They all have weakling attacks, mostly for 40 damage or less and can be shut down by rain dance.
 
Patriarch nailed it (and right away I might add). It was Brian Brokaw who was often given credit for naming the Haymaker deck. He was very active in the early years of Pokemon, and wrote a couple books back in 1999, "Pokemon Trading Card Game Player's Guide" and "POKéMON TRADING CARD GAME FOSSIL EXPANSION PLAYER'S GUIDE". He also created a website in 1999, the Brokamon Center, which transformed into the original "PokéGym".

BDS
 
Venusaur said:
I never liked haymakers. They all have weakling attacks, mostly for 40 damage or less and can be shut down by rain dance.
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*snort* Hardly. The original Haymaker owned Raindance into oblivion. It was all about one hit KOs, Pluspower, and Gust of Wind. Your squirtle, my Electabuzz, Plus Power, and GoW. Let's go.

Ok, in reality, the Haymaker was just too fast because it was ready to KO on the first turn, and required no evolution.
 
Venusaur said:
I never liked haymakers. They all have weakling attacks, mostly for 40 damage or less and can be shut down by rain dance.
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I'm not sure your memory serves you right here. Back in those days it was common knowledge that in a raindance filled environment you play Haymaker. I know the early participants from Norway won their Worlds tickets this way.
 
Leo said:
do you have a deck list of the heymaker?
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I don't have an exact list but something like this:

4 Hitmonchan
4 Electabuzz
4 Scyther
some other stuff

4 Oak
4 Comp Search
4 Item Finder
4 Pluspower
GOW
ER
SER
maybe some more i am forgetting

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But I'm still not seeing how Haymaker beat raindance. ok so electabuzz gets lucky and gets a GOW and 3 pluspower and KOs a squirtle. They can just evolve their other squirtle into blastoise, raindance 5 energy, pluspower, and KO all those 70 HP guys. Then any time they try to prepare for a thunderpunch on a benched electabuzz, you either constantly ER them, or gust them + pluspower them for the KO. As Blastoise gets damaged you can afford to Super Potion it, and put back on the energy it lost. So the reason I say raindance beats haymaker is it can be set up in 1 turn, while haymaker needs 2 turns to attach 2 energy to do any kind of dangerous damage to Blastoise, and the blastoise player should NOT give the haymaker player the chance to do that.
 
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I think Venusuar is thinking about a raindance deck TODAY, with the NEW rules to evolve quicker. In the original rules, Venu, one needed 3 turns to evolve to a Blastoise, giving the haymaker player a few turns to punish the squirtles when they 1st hit the bench. The trainer engines would be much different today vs. several yrs ago.

Keith
 
Lawman said:
I think Venusuar is thinking about a raindance deck TODAY, with the NEW rules to evolve quicker. In the original rules, Venu, one needed 3 turns to evolve to a Blastoise, giving the haymaker player a few turns to punish the squirtles when they 1st hit the bench. The trainer engines would be much different today vs. several yrs ago.

Keith
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They only needed 2 turns because of pokemon breeder.The reason I see haymakers beating all other decks is beacuase of lass You attach a enegy 1st turn gust up the most important basic Lass then you ko and they are behind already.
 
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