Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Why I Love Mario

As folks frequently mention theme decks have won smaller events, so desert eagle I completely agree that winning 1 BR means little. But winning 34 is a different kettle of fish. Numbers DO mean something.

Yes we don't know the numbers of folks not winning with Mario. Of course lots of folks went 0-x with Metanite last year. I heard some horror stories from people having bad days with Absolutions / Spead Spread at big events too. Does that mean these decks were bad? Of course not. Winning is simply a better measure of what is good in the format & Mario is doing that.
 
KingGengar and others I wouldn't go around saying "I Love Mario" in public too much, you might get some strange looks from the Muggles. :lol:

I Love Peach.........and Mario is a good friend.....

I played a Mario once in BR against a senior :)thumb:) and lost without getting any prizes. :smile:
 
All Mario was good for was jacking up the price of Lucario so I could get rid of the 10 I had for an overly inflated price. Thank you KingGengar.
 
As folks frequently mention theme decks have won smaller events, so desert eagle I completely agree that winning 1 BR means little. But winning 34 is a different kettle of fish. Numbers DO mean something.

Yes we don't know the numbers of folks not winning with Mario. Of course lots of folks went 0-x with Metanite last year. I heard some horror stories from people having bad days with Absolutions / Spead Spread at big events too. Does that mean these decks were bad? Of course not. Winning is simply a better measure of what is good in the format & Mario is doing that.

So mario had 34 punching bag metagames to deal with, nice =P
 
All Mario was good for was jacking up the price of Lucario so I could get rid of the 10 I had for an overly inflated price. Thank you KingGengar.

why would you get rid of yours when theres blissey/lucario


oh and one more thing...

CHOCOLATE RAIN!
 
What I see is that there is some type of competition of popularity. Apparently, it's important to get the TRUK message out. I don't mind. I think Blissey is great. Too bad the Blissey people can't reciprocate the kind acknowledgments. I love Blissey and use it to test decks, the same as Mario. I test everything against Kricket, Mario, and Blissey. And I know y'all must test your Blissey against Mario (and other Fighting decks) or else you wouldn't be including Holon FF and Potion (ok, maybe Potion).

Seriously, be kind. Mario had "punching bag metagames" but Blissey had it so very tough? Please. Your own words: most of the good players stayed home. So in what way is Blissey proved any more than Mario? Because you played your own people? That's a pretty low opinion of other regions.

Now, another thing: whenever I mention Mario in a thread not mine, I'm accused of Mario-jacking and given a warning by PM and sometimes my posts are deleted. What, mods, is the difference between my posts and these "I Hate Mario" posts? And please don't tell me I've invited it by saying I love Mario. Then, it's just open season. And then I may Mario-jack whenever I like... if the Pokegym is about fairness, that is.
 
Have to agree with KG. There seams to be an over push to hype this TRUK engine when they don't want anyone to know what it is. almost like a Claydol problem we had last year. don't belive the hype. yeah and how about some warnings for these peoples mods? or should we just kiss there behinds cuz there the leets..... i see no favorites being played when its other people....
 
I hate Mario cause:

- I'm Koopa.
- I'm Luigi (Hey, he stole my protagonism)
- I'm Sonic (Rival Company :lol:)

OnTopic: Mario is a great deck, i dont use it, but if everyone that used it and succed, why not give it credit? Ok, relies on T1 flip? So what? It wins... you like it or not... its not the SuperHyperMegaGiga-Strategy, but it works...

All of you (The people who understimate Mario or others deck) have the bad habit of settle down in the last format, why people keeps remembering Metanite, MewTrick, RaiEggs and blablabla? Old format guys, it change, now it changed: Mario, Blissey, Krike, Tsnamigatr, etc. Different format, different moves, different Weakness/Resistance calculation... why you dont accept that the last format simply... rotated out?

Mario its the first diferent deck that emerge from de DP release (With Inferncatty too...) and keep alive (I remember the Rhyperior, but it last until Briney and MultiTM rotated... and Catty lose to all Water decks now...) its a SURVIVOR :lol:

Mario, i salute you! :smile:
 
Have to agree with KG. There seams to be an over push to hype this TRUK engine when they don't want anyone to know what it is. almost like a Claydol problem we had last year. don't belive the hype. yeah and how about some warnings for these peoples mods? or should we just kiss there behinds cuz there the leets..... i see no favorites being played when its other people....

For one, none of our team ever stated that there was a TRUK engine on this board, anywhere. You guys started it after we named a couple of our decks "TRUKs". We then played along. It's not our fault that people won't take a few minutes out of their time to look on the reports that were posted or where ever the given decks were talked about. It's really on the board, people are just stupid and lazy. Secondly, this is nothing like Claydol because our team has actually WON TOURNAMENTS with these decks.
 
I've said this so many times. Blissey does not equal TRUK. TRUK decks are simply decks invented by team HB with a focus on the consistency needed to X-0 tournaments on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with Blissey.

It only seems like we favour Blissey at the moment, because it has the best chance of X-0ing any tournament in this metagame, simple as that. I've never needed to test against Mario, and I didn't even play FF in my 2 most recent versions of Ramen TRUK. I didn't even get a chance to play against it this year because I'm usually X-0 and the Marios at the tournaments I'm at are never X-0, so the swiss system doesn't let me play them. Same deal with my brother in seniors. =/

One comment I'd like to make is: If Mario was a good deck, Blissey would not be as popular as it is. It would make sense that most people would be afraid to run Blissey since Mario is so popular among random players IF Mario was a good deck. Hmmm... what does that mean...
 
Yeah and despite all the fighting of whether mario is a viable deck or not you know what I know is true?

It still loses to gardy.
 
Circlular logic eagle. Mario was well represented in the BR meta where I played. Blissey was there but not nearly as well represnted as I've seen in some of the other BR reports. And for the record I was playing Blissey and never had a mirror match....
 
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Cyrus, I respect you more, but disagree. First, Zapdos was an excellent concept, and fearsome. Second, you know as well as I do that not "anything" can T4 a top event. Third, Mario is proven to win. But, I agree that if you disagree, then the least you can say is "underrated." Thanks for being cool.

Here's where "proven" definitions seem to conflict. I see "proven" as something that withstands the test of time, something that does well in multiple metagames, and something that can take a big event.

Machamp by itself made a huge splash at nationals, including your showing.

Lucario by itself made a huge splash at nationals.

However, the "Mario" love child is not as proven as those two cards separate. I say this as a Mario: we need states to truly determine whether or not Mario is a proven deck by all definitions. This deck is easily underrated, and it took months for people to realize that Flariados (for example) wasn't a bad deck.

Zapdos is the worst archetype of all time, easily. The only time in a game where it was "fearsome" was turn two. Unlike Mario, which can have a late game, Zapdos' late game was abysmal.

To respond to my honorable Hand Banana colleague, Desert Eagle: your logic doesn't work because most good players aren't even giving it a chance, especially during the Battle Road season. Blissey-whatever doesn't autolose to fighting, but at the same time you treat it as if it autowins. While you make many good points in your unposted article, fighting (something both Ramen and Mario share) is the best type in the game right now, and that is because it doesn't outright fold to Blissey.
 
zapdos didn't have a late game. It had to win within teh first 10 turns else any set up deck would pretty much over run it. Plus if you missed your t1 recharge, you pretty much just lost the game. It is sorta similar to mario. If you miss your turn 1 wild kick your sorta lose the game.
 
And winning something, with the new system, doesn't mean much anymore. It's all about who you beat with the deck.

How many has it won in FL/Great lakes? Arguably the most difficult metagames on the planet?

Not to be mean or anything, I just do want to know how many it won in masters
 
Moza, different areas have different metagames. I don't doubt that FL/Great Lakes have some really good players, but their metagame is going to look different than other areas. How many tournaments did Blissey win in NC/SC Masters Division? None that I know of. Mario has done better than Blissey (All Blissey Varients) in Masters in NC/SC. Does that mean Blissey is bad? No. And that is why you can't say that Mario is bad because it hasn't done as well as Blissey in your area.
 
I never mentioned blissey in my post, nor was I trying to compare the two decks.

Blissey and Mario aren't the only decks out there, that is why there are metagames.

And with the new ratings system, it's not how well you do at a few tournies, but you you consistantly beat.

If you keep beating the regular league people who really don't do much competitivly, but go for fun, it isn't that much of an accomplishment. However if I were to beat Moss or Alex at every tourny I went to with Mario, then it would have a much more solid backing.
 
You didn't mention Blissey. I didn't mention blissey because you mentioned blissey. I used it as an example. Right now, there is no defying by any player that Blissey is not tier 1. That is why I used it as an example. I was just trying to prove a point.

I don't have all the facts, but I'd go out on a limb and say that there wasn't a single "TRUK" deck that won a battle road in NC/SC. So use that in the example instead of Blissey if you want. Proves the same point.

Your last comment about the league/tourny thing is already known. People don't back Mario because it does well at their league. They back it because they do well with it at tournaments.

People ask why they don't see many Mario's winning, and one reason is because Mario has been put down by so many players that most people won't play it. So you end up with just a few people that will play it that have to prove to the rest of the world that it's good. Give Blissey to 3 players spaced around the area and see how many wins they can come up with compared to the 10-20 Empoleon players out there. Number of players actually playing the deck can determine how many tournaments you see won by the deck.
 
By league people, I mean league people that try to be good but don't have the cards/experience to do well at premier events, but show up anyways. Usually rather easy to beat no matter what deck(no offense to league people), and I imagine in NC/SC, there are quite a few of those people.

Your last point about number of it played determining its chances of winning proves my point. More league people are inclined to build mario because it is simpler to use, and easier, then many other decks out there right now.
 
For information on where Mario won, see the Front page of my article. I have been keeping score (just my love showing, I guess). Not as many Florida as Michigan/Illinois, but represented.

As Matt said, the metagame differs from region to region, and frankly, I would be surprised to see Mario played often in Florida, just as people are surprised that Blissey isn't played more often in NC (not that it hasn't been played- it has).

As to Zapdos, I totally agree that it had little staying power. Mario has endurance.

I don't quite agree that we have to "wait until States" to make a judgment now on Mario. What it has done, besides become very popular, is win many games, and some tournaments also. Now, if Mario wins States, that would be good. I make no predictions. I would be just as happy with Mario if it came in 2nd or 3rd at States. This thread is about happiness and love, not just winning.

Concerning Blissey playing Holon FF, all I can say is... c'mon. If Blissey didn't fear Fighting, it wouldn't play FF. Instead, Blissey would play GL or WP, in order to get those effects. So halt your excuses. You play Holon FF to avoid the Fighting loss. And Mario is a big, popular part of that (not all of it, by any means).

Perhaps this is why the Mario backlash. Mario was, to my mind, the first deck to really exploit the Fighting Weakness apparent in last year's format. You can offer other theories, it's ok with me, but I believe that Mario caused a ruckus in the elite ranks. First, Castform decks had to be re-engineered or abandoned. Then, Eevee decks had to include Mew EX. Now, Skitty is left to the litter box by the fear of Fighting. And Blissey has to be careful too. It seems that all of the good ideas, such as I mentioned, are splintered by the appearance of Mario. So, it makes sense to me that certain resentful people would go out of their way to spread propaganda so that Mario is made to be some sort of evil, or a stupid play. This has been done in history before. Make a certain group of people (let's call them Mario-lovers) the target of attacks. Not only does it make the resentful feel better, but perhaps it will cause other players to refrain from playing Mario, thus leaving the field open for more Delcatty, Blissey, etc. The only flaw to this is that Lucario can be paired with other Pokemon.

Which leads me to this: why is Empoleon/Lucario a deck if Mario is not? What is the great idea there except to put two cool Pokemon together (but I have no hate for it- I think it's cool, especially TJ's version)? Why is Blissey a deck if Mario is not? It's a line of Pokemon with lots of Trainers and Energy (but, again, no hate-I love Blissey too). Krickets? Same thing.

What constitutes "a deck?" A deck is basically Pokemon, Trainers, and Energy that work together. Even if you don't win, it's a deck. Granted, some decks are better (win more) than others. But to put down someone's concepts is not only childish and immature, but against everything that Pokemon stands for, which is *friendly* competition. I notice that you said that Kant has written some type of anti-Mario article. That would be the epitomy of hatefulness, IMO. Dante wrote an excellent article about countering Blissey. All I can hope is that Kant wrote an article stating the same thing. But to address a deck that you neither respect nor fear makes no sense to me.
 
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