Why not have grinders in the US?

[Mystery Thing]

So, please get off the band wagon of winning BRs and CCs only and grabbing an invite. It doesnt happen that way. You need to do well all season long.

Just to reinforce this: the CP cutoff for Seniors this year was 57, at which point it went to ELO.

If you max out on glorious victory at BRs and CCs (which I would argue is pretty unlikely for 99.9% of players), you would have (8*2=16) + (5*6=30) = 46 points. You would still need at least another 11 points (12 to guarantee), which is one of 3rd or 4th at a Nationals (12 points, but it's a moot point as a Worlds invite is acquired for that placing alone), or a Regionals win (10) plus a T64 or better at Nationals (3+). Even if one were to go by plethora of events, scraping the bottom of the barrel as much as possible while still making the invite, you would need to T16 three SPT/Regionals and T32 your fourth allowed STP/Regional (3*3 + 2), both of which assume at least 64 players in your division for all four of those events.

Too much math;dr: No matter how much butt you kick in BRs and CCs, it is simply mathematically impossible to qualify for Worlds without also proving your worth at multiple "more real" tournaments, which are much further apart (read: hurts the "just win everything local" argument) than BRs/CCs.

 

[NoPoke]

FWIW: I think pokedad1 is saying that his son did not just run around all the local events. That he did go to the bigger events.

We all agree that BRs and Cities are not enough. But that is with hindsight as I'm sure there were posts on the gym at the beginning of the season saying that players would qualify by cleaning up on small events. It never seemed likely to me but with an untried system you can never be certain what outcome you will get.

 

[pokedad1]

and that is how they got in, by beating according to many on here nobodys at BRs and cities and states which according to most players on here mean nothing. How did they do at regs and nats? If you look at the ones who got an invite, without beating those nobodys at smaller events which mean nothing, they got their invite. Most of those who got an invite got it by winning events that mean nothing according to those very players in this post and then did nothing at nats. Look at the top cuts at Nats and you will see many of those players were not in the top 40 for CPs. So they got invites winning the same small events they all say are nothing on this post.

Well, not all areas of the country have as many of those small events as others, and driving outside of your state is not an option for everyone.

 

[cabd]

At this point, I (and probably quite a few others) are of the opinion that you are just not listening to us.

Stating the same (flawed) ideas over and over aren't really helping said perception.

Obviously, to be in the top of the top, you need to do well everywhere.

As the math above said, you can't get in by JUST playing battle roads and cities. Nor can you get in by JUST winning a states or regional. (Yes I know the very top part of nats gets in, but then again 40 slots, so the other 36 slots didn't)

You've got to be at the top of your game in a LOT of places. Your son wasn't. Facts are facts. Take this thread a learning experience, and come out next season ready to swing hard and fast and win some events.

 

[baby mario]

and that is how they got in, by beating according to many on here nobodys at BRs and cities and states which according to most players on here mean nothing. How did they do at regs and nats? If you look at the ones who got an invite, without beating those nobodys at smaller events which mean nothing, they got their invite. Most of those who got an invite got it by winning events that mean nothing according to those very players in this post and then did nothing at nats. Look at the top cuts at Nats and you will see many of those players were not in the top 40 for CPs. So they got invites winning the same small events they all say are nothing on this post.

Well, not all areas of the country have as many of those small events as others, and driving outside of your state is not an option for everyone.

Please read Mystery Thing's post, which shows that you have got this completely wrong.

If you max out on glorious victory at BRs and CCs (which I would argue is pretty unlikely for 99.9% of players), you would have (8*2=16) + (5*6=30) = 46 points. You would still need at least another 11 points (12 to guarantee), which is one of 3rd or 4th at a Nationals (12 points, but it's a moot point as a Worlds invite is acquired for that placing alone), or a Regionals win (10) plus a T64 or better at Nationals (3+). Even if one were to go by plethora of events, scraping the bottom of the barrel as much as possible while still making the invite, you would need to T16 three SPT/Regionals and T32 your fourth allowed STP/Regional (3*3 + 2), both of which assume at least 64 players in your division for all four of those events.

Even if you got every single available CP from Citys and BRs you would still have to perform well at larger tournaments to win the invite.

The other point you are missing is that the CP system rewards those people who show commitment to playing the game. If someone is prepared to travel around every weekend to play Pokemon in a effort to get into Worlds, why shouldn't they be rewarded for that? They are helping to grow the game through their participation. I'm sure that TPCI thinks that's a good thing and want to encourage it.


I do understand that you are upset about your son not getting in after having a good season, but that doesn't give you an excuse to belittle those people who did get in (where do you get the right to call people 'nobodys'?). It makes it sound as if you are posting just because you are bitter, not because you have any genuine desire to be constructive.

 

[King Piplup]

Alright; far too long spent on this.

Sorry, but Pokemon (and most of the posters in this thread)'s perception of worthy, and your perception of worthy are quite far off. A minimum of 15 points off too be exact.

(Senior's perspective, I know Masters is far more difficult and the viewpoint would be far different)

That aside, Pokemon's new system encouraged people to play year round. No more of the "Play Regionals and up and get an invite" stuff (It happened). This is a good thing.

Not everyone can take advantage of this system, and I feel bad for those who can't, but please stop ripping those of us who legitimately earned are invite by playing with the system we were given.

Living in Chicago, Florida, Georgia, and other places with Citys marathons is NOT as much of an advantage as some people say. That will usually be all the cities an area gets since cities are allotted based on attendance. It's a PTO's choice to run them as a marathon.

For those that come from out of state, yes, there is a minimal advantage. The thing is, the competition level at marathons is MEGA. I don't care what division you're in, the competition level goes up.

The BFL makes marathons+regular cities not a broken concept. If the BFL wasn't in place, there would be a Senior with 79 points from Cities alone. That's just not good for the system.

You HAVE to be consistent at big events to get an invite under this system. Heck, consistency is king under this system. T8'ing ever SPT and Regional is far more an accomplishment than winning a SPT, going 2-3 at one, 3-2 at another, then 4-3'ing a regional. FAR more of an accomplishment. It shows you are a player capable of making it further than the majority of the playerbase consistently. It takes a good mind and a good deck choice to win a single event. It takes a great mind, many good deck choices, and meta awareness to consistently X-0/1 Swiss in bigger events. I made deck choices that I knew could solidly take me to Top 8, which is what I felt is what I needed to keep up in CP, and as a result, I find myself with an invite. Playing the way the system dictates is part of how to get an invite.

Top Cutting Nats-Meh. So did 63 others. I'll be honest, some of the names on the Top 64 list made me go "HUH?!?". This last format in particular really revolved around the flip...I hate to discredit it, (After all, I only made T64 myself), but T64 is an accomplishment, but it's not World's worthy. Not even close.

Top 8-Very close, if not the perfect number.
Top 4-You need to be in Hawaii.

Hence why T8 get invites.


Giving States winners invites? How would you feel if the winner of a SPT the size of Iowa's (braces for speech on Iowa's Organized Play from Jaeger) got an invite? (DISCLAIMER: No offense to whoever won Iowa, I don't even know who it was. Just saying it was the smallest Senior SPT. For all I know, the whole field was meta decks)

So, in conclusion, please stop attacking those of us that played the system like we needed to.

Good luck to your son next year!

 

[K2theAblaM]

There's no benchmark for an invite. You can't just Top cut X amount of events and think you're set for world's. You're playing against a field of players who YOU have to perform better than, all year long. So if your son happened to win a BR, Cities, and states and still whiffed his invite... I'm willing to bet there's a few (likely 40 kids) who have done all that AND more.