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Worlds 2009 In Review

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Prof Clay said:
Honestly...You are playing at the POKEMON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, not some local league tournament....how can any player in this event go into the event with 59 or 61 cards and not be held responsible for having a correct deck list. You have to take responsibility for your own equipment gang. Don't give me the argument that anyone can make a mistake...it is simple...count 60 cards...make sure those cards match up with your deck list. We on the judge staff are seriously not any smarter or meticulous than you and we have even less time to check your things.

In the grinder, there were WAAAY to many deck list problems turned in by very very good players in the Masters Division. I am glad we managed to correct most of these problems, but we should have never had to go there in the 1st place. Juniors...maybe seniors can be cut some slack in this, but Masters....the name of the division says it all.

I do agree that more voluntary deck checks should be done and checks thru the rounds need to be done.
Heck...you could even have a friend do a deck check for you before you turn in your list :thumb:

Sleeves checks...now THAT is something we can do more of and it doesn't take that much time. Either a thumbs up or thumbs down. The only thing we ask as judges is if we say resleeve, go do it...no time for debating the issue.
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I do actually know someone that counted their deck twice and everything. He still was off by a card. It can happen. Granted this was the grinder but obv. it could happen in worlds too. Really, if Battle Roads have deck checks then the most important tournament of the year should too. =/
 
Did you just use the term "theorymon"? Please, PLEASE stop.

Ok, if it takes you 5 minutes to do a deck check, your certainly not trying your hardest. Second, say you have 128 players. Lets do some math. If it takes 5 minutes per deck check, its taking 640 minutes total. Now, say you spend a half an hour doing deck checks...you'd need 22 people doing them. How large was the staff this year? I also remember having to get to the event at 8:30, and not having it start until 10. We sat around, as players, twiddling our thumbs for well over an hour, and a majority of the staff was not doing anything vital. If your telling me, for the integrity of the event, that deck checks couldn't be occurring during this time your a tad delusional. The event didn't even run that late into the evening! There was more than enough time to fit deck checks in there. If Regionals and States have held mandatory deck checks before ( they have ) and it worked out fine, I am unsure the best judges and staff in the game can't do the same thing for roughly the same size event. Hold on, its called "logicmon". Grasp it please.
 
sorry you must be so great that i haven't seen logicmon on this sight i know i've seen theorymon way way more and yes 22 people doing deck checks is overly useless, once a deck has to be resleeved it has to be checked agian under your logicmon, so assume half the decks needed to be resleeved and checked, once again your are creating excuses to make it seam like your wonderful theory sry logic hasn't been tossed around the Prof boards for many many many a year. so while you might be soo good you will pass every deck check with flying colors lets not assume that the people working dont wanna go in early, because and i am assuming you work and possibly pay for your own sutff ( unlikely) you like going in early for work? dont think so. and to my knowledge the only deck checks that have ever been madatory are random ones, which is OP recommended anything else you might wanna talk to your TO. if you hate the game so much go play magic you can loose just as much there for even more money and try and complain to them, sry i have to be a big boy and go to work tomorrow maybe we can argue then
 
DarkMagnus said:
sorry you must be so great that i haven't seen logicmon on this sight i know i've seen theorymon way way more and yes 22 people doing deck checks is overly useless, once a deck has to be resleeved it has to be checked agian under your logicmon, so assume half the decks needed to be resleeved and checked, once again your are creating excuses to make it seam like your wonderful theory sry logic hasn't been tossed around the Prof boards for many many many a year. so while you might be soo good you will pass every deck check with flying colors lets not assume that the people working dont wanna go in early, because and i am assuming you work and possibly pay for your own sutff ( unlikely) you like going in early for work? dont think so. and to my knowledge the only deck checks that have ever been madatory are random ones, which is OP recommended anything else you might wanna talk to your TO. if you hate the game so much go play magic you can loose just as much there for even more money and try and complain to them, sry i have to be a big boy and go to work tomorrow maybe we can argue then
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I highly doubt 50 percent of people would have resleeve, maybe 1 in 5. I would say 95% of players put on new sleeves before Worlds. I don't know if this posted was directed towards Chris or me. So I'll answer for me I won't speak for him. Yea I earn my own stuff, this is how I was raised. If you want something you work for it. I'm a full time college student and I also work. And yea I've put in the early mornings. I know staff is compensated with special promos which are actually worth something and I hardly call 7:00-7:30 an early morning. I don't hate this game, this game has been very good to me. I've put myself through school, had some amazing vacations, made a little money and most importantly to me is I've made some great friends. As for I can loose just as much playing magic... I don't need to to defend myself or my record to you. I think this is a healthy discussion and reflection of the 2009 World Championship our only goal is to make the greatest pokemon event of the year even better. If your half as mature as you say you are than less discuss this maturely. I mean this seriously I love a good debate and we should be able to keep this civil.
 
As a matter of fact, I do play Magic too :) And I do rather well at it, too.

I've made over 25k playing Pokemon. While going to school and enjoying myself. I like it :)

I've seen events run with deck checks for every player. I've seen them run without. The event didn't fall apart either way, I'm just saying that at an event like Worlds, where it is a high level competition, don't be lazy. The players who earned their invites weren't lazy, and neither should the staff be. Your flown to Hawaii and given free stay, I'm so sorry if you have to spend an extra half hour checking decks to keep things running smoother during the day.
 
Prime said:
And for everybody else? :thumb:
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I realize hawaii can be expensive, but you are buying in bulk and your not talking about feeding the entire girnders just worlds invites and 1 guest. Roughly 700 people yes I realize how badly I undercut that. But my point was we don't need all the fluff expensive hand made cookies, etc. just some social event we all get together at.
 
events held in the hotel MUST use hotel catering. period, end of sentence.

i looked at the 'hospitality' pages in the room service menu at the hilton; did you? if you thought the room service prices were sky-high...THAT'S the type of ballpark price any meal or dessert buffet is going to cost for a player reception.

'one or two hundred dollars' wouldn't even cover the cost of the servers required to staff this...much less the food.

jmho
'mom
 
Ruiner said:
As a matter of fact, I do play Magic too :) And I do rather well at it, too.

I've made over 25k playing Pokemon. While going to school and enjoying myself. I like it :)

I've seen events run with deck checks for every player. I've seen them run without. The event didn't fall apart either way, I'm just saying that at an event like Worlds, where it is a high level competition, don't be lazy. The players who earned their invites weren't lazy, and neither should the staff be. Your flown to Hawaii and given free stay, I'm so sorry if you have to spend an extra half hour checking decks to keep things running smoother during the day.
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Please don't call the staff lazy.
It wasn't our call whether to do deck checks or not.
 
Ruiner said:
I'm just saying that at an event like Worlds, where it is a high level competition, don't be lazy. The players who earned their invites weren't lazy, and neither should the staff be. Your flown to Hawaii and given free stay, I'm so sorry if you have to spend an extra half hour checking decks to keep things running smoother during the day.
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Chris -

Why are you attacking/demeaning so many people? Do not call any one of us judges lazy. Your perception of what goes on is distorted, twisted, and not factual. Quite frankly, if the intent of your posting is to anger a bunch of folks, you have done quite a good job. The Staff at Nats and Worlds does not need to defend itself to you or anyone else unless directed so by PUI.

Get off it.
 
Don't be lazy?

How about the "Worlds" players who can't even bother to put in a correct decklist at the biggest event of the year?

Have you seen how many hours are worked at Worlds by the staff?

Let's put it this way...we had 4 solid days of work.

We get there before you do, we leave after you do, every day.

We love to do it...but the implication of laziness...unbelievable.

Vince
 
Can we stop beating the dead horse and actually discuss his point- why weren't deck checks done when the small amount of effort to complete them would make the event more legitimate and smooth-running throughout the weekend?

We know you guys aren't lazy and that it takes a lot of work. Don't let one small comment derail this entire thread or make people dislike the author. I think we all want the same thing- to improve the game. Let's do that now, kk.
 
There is an assumption that it was a staff decision. A staff decision to be lazy no less. Yet you are surprised that doesn't derail a thread? I'm not. I'm surprised how moderate the staff replies have been!

As to the discussion Vince's point about players being lazy with their decklists is right on topic. Especially as the OP opened the door to "lazy".

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I don't know what kind of discussion you expect for the following...

The Nick and Tracy show: (probably could have done with a better script)
Noise from the VGS.
Third place - no podium or big trophy cheque
Free play area

I don't see there being much to discuss on this forum. Who here would say that not having a free play area is a good idea? etc etc.
 
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ryanvergel said:
Can we stop beating the dead horse and actually discuss his point- why weren't deck checks done when the small amount of effort to complete them would make the event more legitimate and smooth-running throughout the weekend?

We know you guys aren't lazy and that it takes a lot of work. Don't let one small comment derail this entire thread or make people dislike the author. I think we all want the same thing- to improve the game. Let's do that now, kk.
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I had more written but I chilled out :)

In a nutshell... I know in the future, after much discussion after World's, about deck checks, you will find this to be much less of a problem...changes are going to be made. We acknowledged the problem long before it was brought to these boards. But you guys as players seriously need to take the responsibility of getting them right before they get into our hands. I can come up with no valid excuse why a player should not have his/her deck list correct prior to turning it in...we know you guys aren't lazy as well, but more effort needs to be made in this part of many players game.
 
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^^ exactly. how hard is it to write up a *legible* decklist? or to make sure one's name, DOB and POP ID are on it? or include collection #s when required? or add all the cards up to make sure they add up to 60? ALL of the above were problems at the highest level events...nationals, worlds...of the year!

one's deckist is ultimately THEIR responsibility, whether there are deckchecks or not. before casting stones about staff 'laziness', how about looking in the mirror to see where all those list problems come from?

'mom
 
I second what Ian has said - personally, I found the noise of the Video Game distracting at best and annoying at worst. Of course, for the finals it didn't matter, but while I was playing in the TCG tournament, during numerous rounds I felt distracted because of the video game being in the same hall.

Maybe this was just a space/room issue, but I think it would be better if the video game was held in a seperate room...
 
ryanvergel said:
Can we stop beating the dead horse and actually discuss his point- why weren't deck checks done when the small amount of effort to complete them would make the event more legitimate and smooth-running throughout the weekend?

We know you guys aren't lazy and that it takes a lot of work. Don't let one small comment derail this entire thread or make people dislike the author. I think we all want the same thing- to improve the game. Let's do that now, kk.
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Agreed, The OP obivously made a bad choice of words and 5 Mods have made that clear, so far this has been a good thread lets get back on topic

NoPoke said:
There is an assumption that it was a staff decision. A staff decision to be lazy no less. Yet you are surprised that doesn't derail a thread? I'm not. I'm surprised how moderate the staff replies have been!

As to the discussion Vince's point about players being lazy with their decklists is right on topic. Especially as the OP opened the door to "lazy".

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I don't know what kind of discussion you expect for the following...

The Nick and Tracy show: (probably could have done with a better script)
Noise from the VGS.
Third place - no podium or big trophy cheque
Free play area

I don't see there being much to discuss on this forum. Who here would say that not having a free play area is a good idea? etc etc.
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Reread the thread I thought there was some good discussion.

Prof Clay said:
I had more written but I chilled out :)

In a nutshell... I know in the future, after much discussion after World's, about deck checks, you will find this to be much less of a problem...changes are going to be made. We acknowledged the problem long before it was brought to these boards. But you guys as players seriously need to take the responsibility of getting them right before they get into our hands. I can come up with no valid excuse why a player should not have his/her deck list correct prior to turning it in...we know you guys aren't lazy as well, but more effort needs to be made in this part of many players game.
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Were human (just like judges) we make mistakes. If something like deck checks could help prevent these problems at the largest tournament of the year, isn't it worth it?

SD PokéMom said:
^^ exactly. how hard is it to write up a *legible* decklist? or to make sure one's name, DOB and POP ID are on it? or include collection #s when required? or add all the cards up to make sure they add up to 60? ALL of the above were problems at the highest level events...nationals, worlds...of the year!

one's deckist is ultimately THEIR responsibility, whether there are deckchecks or not. before casting stones about staff 'laziness', how about looking in the mirror to see where all those list problems come from?

'mom
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You realize your not just dealing with masters, but seniors and juniors to. Maybe for a 5 year old its alittle bit harder than for somebody older.
 
Jaeger said:
Were human (just like judges) we make mistakes. If something like deck checks could help prevent these problems at the largest tournament of the year, isn't it worth it?

You realize your not just dealing with masters, but seniors and juniors to. Maybe for a 5 year old its alittle bit harder than for somebody older.
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Again...how is this a valid excuse for simply not doing it right the 1st time? Juniors I can give some slack, but Seniors and Masters...competing at the HIGHEST level of the game, should never ever turn a deck list in before they check over it with a fine tooth comb.

Judges have much more they could be doing rather than correcting mistakes that you could correct with a bit more effort. This would also DRASTICLY speed up deck checks so we COULD get started at a decent time.
 
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