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Worlds 2011 LCQ info up!

The grinder is not a guarantee....

The grinder is an event regardless how you look at it, diminishes the year long accomplishments of the the player who earned their invites thru consistent play in the rankings system (as it is set up)...you may feel that there are players who do not "deserve" and invite more than you, but according to the play book set up...they are in and you are not.

I was Head Judge of Masters at the last Grinder in San Diego and my daughter has managed to grind to a spot in the past...so I do have some "experience" witht the event.

I understand the love of the game by all the players who stay in the event hour after hour even though their chance has come and gone....I get it.

But from a truly honest view....you guys really are creating sooo much unnessesary work for the staff. I always wondered why we didn't already decide years ago to do 2 losses and you are out...nothing personal. Everyone should come to world's....experience the event...Volunteer to help out and get to know the staff...trade with players from everywhere.

League play is set up for you guys to meet and play and have that World's experience. Do that

The new single elimination/2 of 3 format is truly a better way to determine 8 players to play in the event...it doesn't claim to bring the "best 8'" players in the field...it simply determines that 8 players have made it thru something like say....a "Grinder"...Fair is everyone who is participating having the same chance to earn one of those spots...players with higher skill level and decks prepared to handle such a format will have a real advantage in my opinion.

Hope to see everyone in San Diego....really I do...lets all get together and have a fun weekend instead of a gruelling ordeal
 
Only for some players. For most players, and for Pokemon, each event is an EVENT in and of itself.

The Grinder is not a sanctioned tournament. It is not promoted. There is no Logo for it.
There are no prizes for it, save the prize that is its sole function, the invites.
There are no trophies. No medals. Not even any door prizes.

No, not the same thing as a Premiere event at all.


I could not disagree with you more. Worlds is only available for very few select, very special individuals. The Grinder was the people’s tournament. It was THE MOST IMORTANT PREMEIRE event of the year for many many Pokémon players. Way more then would ever compete in a Worlds. These were the players who would make souvenir Trainer Pokémon cards featuring pictures of themselves and/or their family and pass them out to the players they meet at the Grinder year after year after year. I have received cards from some European players 4 years in a row, and my family has passed out our Trainer card for the past three years during the Grinder.

For us players the chance to play one tournament in the very room that Worlds was going to take place was the ultimate way to cap off our Pokémon year and celebrate our love of the game of Pokémon with other players for many different continents who while not necessarily sharing our language or culture did share a common connection with a mutual love for the game of Pokémon.

The Grinder, Pokepop, was the only Premiere event that mattered for us, and to have it ripped away and destroyed before our very eyes is extremely hurtful. Before this year there was no single Pokémon event that our family looked forward to more than the Grinder. Heck, three years ago we flew to Hawaii when we really could not afford it at the time (it took us 3 years to pay it off) because we had such an incredible experience in Anaheim the year before. Playing until 3:00 am in that event in Anehiem is still by far the Pokémon highlight of my life. I have met so many wonderful players from so many different countries at the Grinder that I will always appreciate it for that. Last year when, in the final round I had 3 losses and I knew I would not make it to worlds, but I was still excited to play in the final round. And then I got paired against the father of the Japanese Junior girl who finished undefeated in the grinder and would go on to win worlds the next day. We spent the first few turns of that round discussing how our children did in the grinder and talking about how happy we were to be able to compete in it. He was so happy that his daughter grinded in and I was very happy for him. Our game went down to one prize a piece before he pulled out the come-from-behind win, and we were both extremely happy to have played that day.

Now that can never happen. If last year played with this year’s rules then we both would have been forcibly removed from the event hours before we ever go the chance to meet, and I would not have the story to share that I met and played against the father of last year’s Juniors World Champion.

So, Pokepop and others, I don’t see how you can say the Grinder is not Premiere. As it has been the focal point for so long of so many player’s Pokémon Calendar, that it could not be anything but Premiere. Players like us who love the game of Pokémon for itself do not play it for Prizes, or ranking points or accolades. They play it because they actually love playing the game, and for the relationships that we have made with other likeminded individuals who also love to play the game. We are the ones who manage the leagues and teach new players the game and watch with pride one, two or three years later when they are winning Cities, States and Regional Championships and then go on to compete in Worlds. We are the ones who drag our trade binders with us to events just in case someone might want a card that we have 6 extra copies of. Heck after 12 years of playing I still get tingle when a tournament game is about to begin. One of my favorite moments of Pokémon is that time when my opponent cuts my deck in a tournament and I get to look at my starting hand for the very first time. The feeling of anticipation when I look to see if I have a good start or am I going to have to get lucky with some timely topdecks is unlike anything else. I love to play a deck that no one anticipates and see them try to figure out my strategy before it becomes clear to them. I love it when my opponent makes a really good play that I was not expecting and then I have to scramble to come up with an answer to a problem that I did not think I was going to have to deal with a turn or two before, and I absolutely loved doing all of this for one afternoon for 6 or 7 rounds in a far off place versus players that I could never have faced before unless I was in that one room at that one time at that one day of the Grinder.
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Sorry, you got it backwards. The "big year end party" is Nats. Each region's Nats is their big party. Worlds is set for (and always has been) the best of each country to come together and declare a champ. PUI created the LCQ as a way to round out the field that 1st yr in FL ('04) There are side events and league at Worlds for fun time. You can always find a game @ Worlds in the open play area, the lobby, just about anywhere.

PUI/P!P doesnt "owe you" a LCQ....it is a priviledge.

Keith

I have been to Nationals and it is no comparison to Worlds. Nationals is just a bigger Regionals, no more special than that. Worlds is Worlds, you get to meet players from all over North America, South America, Australia, Europe and Asia.

No way Nationals can ever compete with that. I went to my first Grinder in Anaheim, and once it was over I could not wait to compete in it again. I went to my first Nationals in St. Louis and while it was nice, I have had no desire to return. Yes you can play in the Open game area, and I have each and every year, but it’s not the same as playing in a real tournament under real tournament conditions. The Grinder was special, there was no event like it. Not even Worlds could compete with it. While Worlds is the most prestigious international Pokémon event of the year, it was not the largest international Pokémon event of the year. That honor belonged to the Grinder and the Grinder alone.

“Owe us a LCQ... a privilege....?” For five years we have planned our vacations and our lives around the Pokémon calendar, much to the chagrin of some of our family members who cannot fathom why we waste so much time and effort for a “stupid kid’s game.” And when that pay off for 52 the weeks of running a league, judging prereleases, running tournaments for Battle Roads, Cities and then Battle Roads again, running fun tournaments at anime conventions to help grow that game where we provide all of the prizes out of our own personal pockets.... we do all of this and then fly down spending thousands of dollars to where ever Worlds is being held for our one chance to compete against players from all over the world, and now we are told that our presence is not only unimportant but is in fact not desired, we are supposed to be thankful to be treated like that by the very people who benefit financially from our efforts and the money we spend and encourage others to spend? I am sorry I am not going to say thank you when someone tells me that my family is of no importance. The Grinder was OUR Pokémon event each year that we looked forward to unlike any other. At least they could have had the decency to make this change months ago, before people purchased non-refundable airfare tickets. Now we are locked into going to an event that does not exist.
 
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The amount of complaining in this thread is utterly disgraceful.

Don't like the rules? No one's asking you to come to the LCQ.

Aaron,

That is one the purposes of public forums: to discuss, and hopefully, provide constructive criticism about someone or something.

Nonetheless, a good portion of criticism in this thread is providing fair and convincing arguments as to why they dislike the LCQ pairing method changes, and by no means is it "disgraceful", in any way (excluding curt, derogatory comments posted by users). I understand why the majority of skeptics dislike the changes;however, in these situations, as in any event with a large gathering, there will always be mixed emotions about rule changes--not everyone will share the same opinion about something.

Those opposed to the modifications made by P.O.P are encouraged to post their displeasure in this thread, and if they are convincing enough, may persuade P.O.P to revert back to the old tournament round structure.

I do agree with your comment, "don't like the rules? No one's asking you to come to the LCQ", as there is no one forcing them to participate.

--Frankie--
 
Aaron,

That is one the purposes of public forums: to discuss, and hopefully, provide constructive criticism about someone or something.

Nonetheless, a good portion of criticism in this thread is providing fair and convincing arguments as to why they dislike the LCQ pairing method changes, and by no means is it "disgraceful", in any way (excluding curt, derogatory comments posted by users). I understand why the majority of skeptics dislike the changes;however, in these situations, as in any event with a large gathering, there will always be mixed emotions about rule changes--not everyone will share the same opinion about something.

Those opposed to the modifications made by P.O.P are encouraged to post their displeasure in this thread, and if they are convincing enough, may persuade P.O.P to revert back to the old tournament round structure.

I do agree with your comment, "don't like the rules? No one's asking you to come to the LCQ", as there is no one forcing them to participate.

--Frankie--

That is very true and that is why on Friday this year my family will be a Legoland or some other San Diego attraction, playing the LCQ (do not call it the Ginder, that tournament no longer exists) is not worth the time or effort, why would anyone want to paticpate in an event where you could spend twice as much time standing in line to registar as you spend participating in the event itself. The last 4 years we have had to line up at 7:00 AM and be done sometime after 9:00 am. To do that for the possibility of being kicked out of the event after one round is just stupid.
 
I am still grateful for an LCQ and that one last chance

JandPDS,

If Pokemon felt players not participating in the World Championship are not important, then they would not host such terrific side events, so I have to disagree with you.

The LCQ is putting P.O.P between a rock and a hard place: the LCQ can take away support from other premier events that generate more revenue for P.O.P, and is a tournament that shares similar characteristics to their now defunct tournament, Gym Challenge.

The Gym challenge is no longer around because it discouraged participants from attending Pokemon's National championship, and other ranking tournaments, as well. The reason to this is because a person would not want to spend much more money to attend a rather difficult tournament when they can simply stay in their home town and possibly win a trip to Worlds that way. Thus, in return defeats the purpose of attending events like the National Championship, City Championship, States, etc. You see, if the LCQ becomes too much of a prestigious event, and has more beneficial qualities to the player, this, in fact, will discourage participants from attending other premier events--if not all ranking tournaments--just to win big at the LCQ, and forgo all other premier events sounds like a real time saver and money saver just to play in Worlds.

Regardless, unless I do exceptionally well and the United States National Championship, I do plan on attending the LCQ. I have participated in Worlds during 2004, 2005, and 2006 and since my 5-year absence from the event, I have romanticized about playing in Worlds for a very long time.

My only concern right now involves how much time LCQ participants will have to play.

Also, no matter what is said or done, I am still grateful for an LCQ and that one last chance to make it to the biggest event of the year.
 
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The side events are great but they do not have the same feel as the LCQ/Grinder. There really is something special about the players at the high tables after round 5 meeting others from all around the world. If you want to find the glue that holds the community together then that is where you should look. They may be just a fringe group, a small group not playing for the prize of qualifying for worlds but their motivations should not be so lightly dismissed as they have been by some.

The pokemon tcg is different to other tcgs because of its sense of community. I'm sure that POP know this but I have no idea how that can be measured on a ballance sheet.

From my own observations I'd say that the league play at worlds does not have the same sense of community. The formality of the grinder swiss rounds along with the fact that there are no prizes is what enables the community aspect to shine.

But, and its a big but, I have no idea how to retain the event as it was while it stays on USA soil. It is a victim of its own success :(
 
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Well, you've convinced me JandPDS.

But, as I said in an earlier post, I have no input into the decision and when staffing, we do whatever P!P tells us to do.
So, if they change their minds and do Swiss instead, that's fine with me.
 
I am more concerned about Swiss + new Black and White rules if there is no rotation to be honest.
Not only for the LCQ but for the Battle Roads and Nationals
 
@JandPDS (and others): I understand the feeling of playing to just play but also being part of a TOURNEY. Plus, meeting folks from around the world is a HUGE plus. It is one reason I enjoy staffing so much, to see all the folks from around the US and the World. It is one big party.

Unfortunately, as 'Pop and NoPoke has pointed out, the "success" of previous LCQ's seems to have doomed this yrs version. It is a great strain on the staff. As you pointed out, in Hawaii '07, the grinder for MAs didnt finish until 3 am or so. Add in jet lag and the staff that is due back on the floor at 7 a.m. and you have the great potential for mental errors on their part. Do we want the staff to make errors on day 1 of Worlds??? Good gravy, most of the players have worked hard all year long to earn that invite. We as staff need to strive to make sure we get it right. Not be a bunch of walking zombies because we watched sooo many matches and rds the day before for an UNSANCTIONED event. The LCQ is and always will be a gift from OP to the players. Staff go where we are told and gladly do so. I hope you change your mind and play in the LCQ. You never know what might happen! And, if you do lose early, Legoland is still down the road.

Keith
 
As you pointed out, in Hawaii '07, the grinder for MAs didnt finish until 3 am or so.

It was Anaheim. Hawaii is tradionally smaller and ends sooner. ^_^ Actually, if I remember correctly the Shedninja deck from heck had a lot to do with it, lol!
 
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@JandPDS (and others): I understand the feeling of playing to just play but also being part of a TOURNEY. Plus, meeting folks from around the world is a HUGE plus. It is one reason I enjoy staffing so much, to see all the folks from around the US and the World. It is one big party.

Unfortunately, as 'Pop and NoPoke has pointed out, the "success" of previous LCQ's seems to have doomed this yrs version. It is a great strain on the staff. As you pointed out, in Hawaii '07, the grinder for MAs didnt finish until 3 am or so. Add in jet lag and the staff that is due back on the floor at 7 a.m. and you have the great potential for mental errors on their part. Do we want the staff to make errors on day 1 of Worlds??? Good gravy, most of the players have worked hard all year long to earn that invite. We as staff need to strive to make sure we get it right. Not be a bunch of walking zombies because we watched sooo many matches and rds the day before for an UNSANCTIONED event. The LCQ is and always will be a gift from OP to the players. Staff go where we are told and gladly do so. I hope you change your mind and play in the LCQ. You never know what might happen! And, if you do lose early, Legoland is still down the road.

Keith

Lawman,

In Hawaii of 2007 and 2010, the LCQ did not, in fact, end at 3: AM. I know this because I participated in both of those events.
 
If I was not clear that the 3:00 am tournament was in Anaheim then I appologize, it was indeed there were we played 9 rounds and I was very proud to have gone 5-4. (more importantly I built an played and anti-BLS deck, becuase I was so tired of loosing to it all year long and I went 3-0 vs it. That deck knocked me out of the topcuts in both state and regionals that year so it was nice to get my revenge.)

I do hope that this change to the Grinder is one and done, but I think this change may have an unintended consequece. I would not be shocked if it turns out the attendance in the Video game grinder (which was single elimination last year) is not 3 to 4 times larger this year then it was last year. My family and I are thinking we will give this a shot in August, why not it could be fun.
 
Wow, this is going to be soooooo fun. Went from 0-2 to 5-3 at Grinders two years ago and got 38th really close to the Top 32 cut off. Oh well, it shows players that this event is not a joke.

Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon, gotta stress them all.

At least the LCQ is a 5 minute walk... :/
Yay...
 
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I do hope that this change to the Grinder is one and done, but I think this change may have an unintended consequece. I would not be shocked if it turns out the attendance in the Video game grinder (which was single elimination last year) is not 3 to 4 times larger this year then it was last year. My family and I are thinking we will give this a shot in August, why not it could be fun.

It might get an influx anyway if we don't get a rotation before the rules changes.
 
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