Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Yu-Gi-Oh! Organized Play Canceled in North America

JandPDS said:
Pokemon is the #2 most popular deck in terms of dollar sales in the US for the past 3 years. Where did you get the idea thst it was behind Yugioh in Sales? There was a huge front page article on the gym when Pkemon passed Yugioh in sales. But the question I resally am curious about is wichgame currently is more popular in terms of Organized play?
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I didn't mean sales, but I would have thought each would be mutually inclusive. There are more active YGO players, at least in the US, at least from what's been presented to me. I can't imagine that doesn't mean more people buying product... but I guess YGO requires a player to purchase less product?

I don't play YGO, but I am a firm believer in free market principles. Competition is GOOD for any business.
 
ArmoredMewtwo said:
Which is why a certain Golem is seeing more play. Seriously, if Synchro Monsters were the true reason to Cyber Dragon's banning, Big Force Golem (or whatever its name is) would be right next to it.

The real reason (as aformentioned) is Chimeratech Overdragon and (as not mentioned) Chimeratech Fortress Dragon. Both are god-like cards, but are seriously overrated (as Future Fusion can be destroyed and quite a few cards were and still are capable of stopping Overload Fusion from coming into effect. Shadow Imprisoning Mirror comes to mind). Yes, against a deck that is unprepared for DAD, this is unstoppable, but in the current format, every deck is trying to defend itself against DAD in some way.
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Lol, Big Piece Golem you mean I take it? If you'll remember correctly, you can NORMAL summon him when you have no monsters and your opponent 1 or more; this is unlike Cyber Dragon, which can be SPECIAL summoned when you have no monsters and your opponent 1 or more, which is far more advantageous. To summarize, Big Piece Golem sucks.

And if anyone bothered remembering from long ago, even Chimeratech OTK didn't take that many Shonen Jumps, TeleDad, Gladiator Beasts, and even Six Samurai took more total than it ever did iirc. Besides, it relies strongly on you holding two main cards to win, all of which can be blocked by staples like Solemn Judgment, Dark Bribe, etc. these days.
 
It's pretty much undisputed. Magic: the Gathering is the #1 TCG in both Sales and OP, and there is really no other TCG out there that can come close to that. Everybody else is pretty much fighting for 2nd place.

Pokemon wins the sales over YGO because of all the kiddies who get Mommy or Daddy to buy them a pack each time they go out shopping. YGO sales are pretty much tied directly into OP, while Pokemon sales are tied into the strength of the franchise. Currently, Pokemon is one of the strongest video game franchises in the world, and the only (primarily) videogame franchise to launch multiple successful offspring into different forms of media (TV and TCG being prominent, but figurines and plushies are also strong).

YGO probably has the stronger and larger OP because the game pretty much requires a strong OP in order to sustain sales. Unlike Pokemon, YGO was a TCG first and foremost. If the TCG dies, the rest of the franchise dies along with it. So Konami has to make the OP as strong as possible. The same cannot be said of Pokemon. If the TCG goes belly-up, there's still a strong following of both the VG and anime. The VG is the deepest RPG game currently on the market. The anime is very popular amongst the 6-14 age group, both here and abroad.

This announcement of Konami taking over the entire YGO reins isn't shocking. They're trying to pull a Pokemon by cutting out the middle man and making a stronger game for it. The problem is that they tried it in the same way the French decided to do their revolution copying the Americans. Too much, and too fast. Pokemon waited for their licensing contract to expire with WOTC before taking over, so there were few hard feelings amongst the players, and the licensee (WOTC) wasn't as ticked off by the entire ordeal. UDE still has a year left on their licensing contract, but Konami is pulling the rug out immediately, leaving nothing but a sour taste in pretty much everybody's mouth.

My prediction is that YGO will decline for at least 6 months (if the recession continues, probably more) because of this sour taste. What happens after that is entirely up to Konami and how they handle being in charge over those 6 months. If they provide less or even equal support as UDE, then the players that left will not come back, and the player base will be smaller. They'll have to do something more than UDE in order to maintain their (very strong) organized player base.
 
What makes Magic TG so popular? I tried the starter deck 3-4 years ago and it was really confusing. Not to mention I thought there were a lot of cards and stuff. I guessed it because Magic was out far longer and older people enjoy it??
 
Actually Bullados, YGO began as a manga iirc, before the card game aspect of it became the dominating factor.

Otherwise, pretty much agree with your points there. Sums up my thoughts.
 
ApachePrime said:
Not everything he said is wrong. Konami is taking over YGO, So it's not dead. Also, Pokemon doesn't have more players than YGO. Pokemon is the third biggest TCG, and there's nothing wrong with that. YGO is printed in quite a few languages, and also has quite a world presence from my understanding.

YGO is good competition for Pokemon. It keeps our cards at reasonable prices and the game balanced and fun.
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Pokemon is printed in:
English
German
Japanese
Spanish
Italian
French
Portuguese


Your point?
 
Ugh, the Metagame site I knew has been trashed by UDE...I knew I should have saved all the articles I liked on it. Crud...
 
im curious that if you can play 2 gold sarcs, how much better all those shonen and ude day winners will be now..............
 
XYZ_Sniper said:
im curious that if you can play 2 gold sarcs, how much better all those shonen and ude day winners will be now..............
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Yeah...seriously, being able to dig out any card you want to have in a few turns is bad enough, why award only those rich enough to buy them or lucky enough to win one?
 
Ardoptres said:
Pokemon is printed in:
English
German
Japanese
Spanish
Italian
French
Portuguese


Your point?
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My point is that everyone who trashes YGO in favor of Pokemon needs to know the facts. YGO is a good fun game to a lot of people. Just like all of us have a love for our game, there are plenty of people who love YGO, and there should be some respect there.

My point on the business side of things is that competition is good for consumers, as it forces companies to keep their products fresh and engaging. We don't want YGO to die, as the competition is good for everyone involved.

I was not trashing Pokemon, as it's the game I play and love. I've never played YGO, but I have plenty of respect for anyone that does.
 
bullados said:
It's pretty much undisputed. Magic: the Gathering is the #1 TCG in both Sales and OP, and there is really no other TCG out there that can come close to that. Everybody else is pretty much fighting for 2nd place.

Pokemon wins the sales over YGO because of all the kiddies who get Mommy or Daddy to buy them a pack each time they go out shopping. YGO sales are pretty much tied directly into OP, while Pokemon sales are tied into the strength of the franchise. Currently, Pokemon is one of the strongest video game franchises in the world, and the only (primarily) videogame franchise to launch multiple successful offspring into different forms of media (TV and TCG being prominent, but figurines and plushies are also strong).

YGO probably has the stronger and larger OP because the game pretty much requires a strong OP in order to sustain sales. Unlike Pokemon, YGO was a TCG first and foremost. If the TCG dies, the rest of the franchise dies along with it. So Konami has to make the OP as strong as possible. The same cannot be said of Pokemon. If the TCG goes belly-up, there's still a strong following of both the VG and anime. The VG is the deepest RPG game currently on the market. The anime is very popular amongst the 6-14 age group, both here and abroad.

This announcement of Konami taking over the entire YGO reins isn't shocking. They're trying to pull a Pokemon by cutting out the middle man and making a stronger game for it. The problem is that they tried it in the same way the French decided to do their revolution copying the Americans. Too much, and too fast. Pokemon waited for their licensing contract to expire with WOTC before taking over, so there were few hard feelings amongst the players, and the licensee (WOTC) wasn't as ticked off by the entire ordeal. UDE still has a year left on their licensing contract, but Konami is pulling the rug out immediately, leaving nothing but a sour taste in pretty much everybody's mouth.

My prediction is that YGO will decline for at least 6 months (if the recession continues, probably more) because of this sour taste. What happens after that is entirely up to Konami and how they handle being in charge over those 6 months. If they provide less or even equal support as UDE, then the players that left will not come back, and the player base will be smaller. They'll have to do something more than UDE in order to maintain their (very strong) organized player base.
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Magic has made more money total, but last time I checked Pokemon was the most popular card game worldwide ATM.
 
pinkertonfan said:
Finally someones that's not a pokemon fanboy who can understand the facts.
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Ug Im not a pokemon fanboy, I used to play yugioh and Im just saying whats true, and for the like tenth time POKEMON IS MORE POPULAR THEN YUGIOH, its just a fact so read up on it if you still think yugiohs better, lets put it this way, I go up to someone and say I play yugioh most of them will say no you play yu***oh and that Im lame and have no life If I go up to the same people and say I play pokemon a few still might think Im weird but most of them will be ok with it. Even if yugioh has more players its like you play yugioh and you love it or you hate it and everyone that plays it, pokemon is way diff, If you dont play pokemon most of the time your ok with the people that do play it and its just more exepted.
P.S I went to a few yugiohs events and its way more competitive then pokemon, I like to play pokemon competitively but the only thing they care about is winning and know that there are no events all the people who play to win will quit yugioh.
 
ApachePrime said:
My point on the business side of things is that competition is good for consumers, as it forces companies to keep their products fresh and engaging. We don't want YGO to die, as the competition is good for everyone involved.
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It isn't the competition so much as it is that distribution is tied to stores that stock both games. If one game dies, then stores lose income, if they lose income, they close, if they close, we don't have leagues and tournament locations for our own op, and pokemon loses income. The competition doesn't mean very much because pokemon and yugioh are going after different markets.
 
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