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gengar -- viable for worlds?

mewbreon

mewbreon

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i know gengar/ queen has been doing pretty good...
but how could it fair at worlds
what kind of techs did the people who top cutted at nats use in order to beat decks like luxape???

i just have a hard time seeing how it does good when
A. it generally only does 30 per turn
B. you finally get an SP down to 10-20 HP, and they poketurn it

???
 
The players will be good enough in Masters to make Gengar a pretty questionable choice. As long as you're careful it's easy enough to limit them to 30 a turn, for the most part, and protect your important power guys.

If someone was to play Gengar/Machamp they might have a good SP matchup, but against any evolving deck Gengar/Machamp faces the same problems as above.
 
Gengar will be a good choice for worlds.
A.Gengar is almost never doing 30 a turn when so many pokemon have pokepowers. Besides Nidoqueen usually does 80-100 damage against SP decks.
B. Gengar players should never be leaving around 10-20 hp. It KOs most SP pokemon with pokepowers with 2 shadow rooms and if it doesn't you should be using crobats.
 
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SP decks tend to beat Gengar consistently. Legos is one, LuxApe does as well. Dialga variants have a field day with the Gengar matchup. Its not viable unless its with Machamp, but then it should be a 2-1-2 line and not anything more.
 
Gengar is a very bad choice for worlds. Why? Just look at how it did at nats, and it was by far one of the most popular decks. A good Legos, Luxape, or other high tier SP wrecks it. Why play a deck that has almost no shot at winning?
 
i like burdn of a day said:
^^^I would look at Aylam's Nats report. he beat Dialga G decks without lucksacking fainting spells. IMO SP decks have a disadvantage to Gengar.
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Fainting Spell still wins games, even if you don't hit a single flip. Just by forcing your opponent to play around it, you get an advantage.

Gengar/Nidoqueen is probably a good play for Seniors and Juniors, but in Masters, SP decks seem to do better against it. Not sure why. Cos they are better players, maybe?
 
Whether or not it's viable for worlds depends on whether or not you plan on winning. If you don't, then it's a great choice :smile:.
 
@Banette EX - Even if you include machamp, you're just making yourself lose harder to evolution decks, and you make yourself a LOT more inconsistent. Inconsistency is what you really want to avoid for worlds.

Mother Gengar can also be somewhat inconsistent, as there are 2 stage 2 lines, and LOTS of dead draws...Poketurns, energies, random BTSes, etc. It does very poorly under a power lock, also. And @the "LOL AYLAM BEAT DIALGA G" comment - Those weren't really fair wins. Don't use those as an example. Aylam really did lucksack. He has a LOT of skill, but a LOT of luck carried him to the 1st place. Even if you dont lucksack on fainting spell, there are other things where luck comes into play.

Worlds players are also of much better quality and will know what to do against gengar and they will limit it to 30 damage a turn. It's not that hard mid-late game to do so.
 
Stigma said:
@Banette EX - Even if you include machamp, you're just making yourself lose harder to evolution decks, and you make yourself a LOT more inconsistent. Inconsistency is what you really want to avoid for worlds.

Mother Gengar can also be somewhat inconsistent, as there are 2 stage 2 lines, and LOTS of dead draws...Poketurns, energies, random BTSes, etc. It does very poorly under a power lock, also. And @the "LOL AYLAM BEAT DIALGA G" comment - Those weren't really fair wins. Don't use those as an example. Aylam really did lucksack. He has a LOT of skill, but a LOT of luck carried him to the 1st place. Even if you dont lucksack on fainting spell, there are other things where luck comes into play.

Worlds players are also of much better quality and will know what to do against gengar and they will limit it to 30 damage a turn. It's not that hard mid-late game to do so.
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And how exactly did i lucksack?
How weren't my top 8/4 matches fair wins?
BTW: Luxape also has dead draws:
12 Energy
4 Poke turn
4 energy Warp
1 Aaron
2 Unown G
1 Crobat
2-3 Stark
1-2 Rayquazza
2-3 Premier Ball
and 1-1 Ninetales/DGX
 
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GengarPwns said:
And how exactly did i lucksack?
How weren't my top 8/4 matches fair wins?
BTW: Luxape also has dead draws:
12 Energy
4 Poke turn
4 energy Warp
1 Aaron
2 Unown G
1 Crobat
2-3 Stark
1-2 Rayquazza
and 1-1 Ninetales/DGX
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No good inferay list plays 2 rayquaza or 3 stark. Pooka's played 1 and 2 stark from what I've heard, and Im not a big fan of it.
Ill also gladly draw into a poketurn or an aaron, or a crobat. Id also GLADLY draw into unown G against gengar.
And I think by energy warp you mean gain...that's not a dead draw either. Try again after actually playing with inferay.

And, you won on time in top 8 and top 4. those are NOT fair wins.
 
^^ okay.... at the start of the game, when you have no Claydol setup.... And your hand is full of: E-Gains, Aarons, Bats, and Unown G, would you call that a good start?
Also, last time i checked, my oppo. in t4 Scooped game 2/3.
 
He scooped because he couldnt do anything about stopping you from taking the first prize.
Winning on time twice at nats is nothing to be proud of, imo.
And yes, bat is a GOOD start. Start with crobat, call for bronzong G and Luxray GL - T2 Claydol kill anyone?
 
There was nothing in his report that seemed very lucky. Mother Gengar is not inconsistent. I get everything set up by turn three. Luxape seems inconsistent with all of the cards Gengarpwns mentioned and getting 2 level Xs into play.
 
Stigma said:
He scooped because he couldnt do anything about stopping you from taking the first prize.
Winning on time twice at nats is nothing to be proud of, imo.
And yes, bat is a GOOD start. Start with crobat, call for bronzong G and Luxray GL - T2 Claydol kill anyone?
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Pointless bashing because you're a tad jealous?
In this format, everyone is going to need a lot of luck to win. No point demeaning someone's victory just because they happened to get that luck when you didn't.

And why are you whining about time? Give me one example of someone who won Nats/Worlds without winning some matches on time.
 
Happiny13 said:
Luxape seems inconsistent with all of the cards Gengarpwns mentioned and getting 2 level Xs into play.
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If anyone actually ran a list like the one he mentioned, it WOULD be inconsistent. Not surprised if Gengar beats lists like that all day.

It's very wrong to say a win isn't fair though. If there is no cheating or stalling, then any win is fair.
 
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