That is the first problem with this "article" (which is basically just a collection of common sense statements that everyone knows anyway) - you're taking this way, way too seriously.
I hope I get the chance to play you at Nats, and to take 6 prizes on you when you really, really need a win.
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Awesome article Jay.:thumb: I enjoyed reading it and it sure makes me proud to be an Iowan.
I think Jay has spent enough time defending a comment that he apparently did not mean to taken the way it has been taken.
Back to the topic at hand please.
Great Article, but it should be addressed that your credentials with the deck at hand should be talked about, not just how you got top 16 in worlds 3 years ago with Deck X
I really see this great sportsmanship you talk about.
Thank You to everyone who left helpful or supportive comments
So it's unsportsmanlike to say that if we were to play a game, I'd prefer to win? Ok... Guess I should have said, "I hope you take 6 prizes from me."
Look, there was nothing in my post that necessitated or justified a deletion. Censorship of a perfectly reasonable discussion where 2 or more parties do not agree hurts the credibility of this board, and therefore the credibility of the site as a whole. One side of the coin was presented, and I presented the reverse.
Let me attempt to re-state my point without the personal anecdotes: I don't believe the "problem" with Pokemon is that it's participants are rude. Any competitive situation will always leave one party feeling good (the winner) and one player feeling bad (the loser). Have any of you ever played sports? This is a part of competitive human nature. Sure, there are more and less appropriate ways for a win or loss to be handled. BUT, I played competitive athletics at the college level and now I coach at the High School level, and I must say that the behavior I've seen displayed after a rough Pokemon match does not even compare to some of the things I've seen in a post-game handshake line.
In my honest opinion, the real problem is the general oversensitivity of Pokemon players. So what if someone doesn't shake after a game because they're ticked at you? So what if they say things like "you got lucky" or "must be nice"... take your win and cruise! There are thousands of Pokemon players; make friends with those whose behavior is attractive to you, and don't get caught up with the bad apples.
In summary, the point I was trying to make is that Pokemon players, in general, take things a little too seriously. And, in my opinion, this article is a prime example of that, especially the portion that took a shot at Team Warp Point - a bunch of kids from Michigan who are just trying to have fun.
I really see this great sportsmanship you talk about.
Thank You to everyone who left helpful or supportive comments
So it's unsportsmanlike to say that if we were to play a game, I'd prefer to win? Ok... Guess I should have said, "I hope you take 6 prizes from me."
We'll leave this one alone because thats not what you said or your intent but I digress.
Look, there was nothing in my post that necessitated or justified a deletion. Censorship of a perfectly reasonable discussion where 2 or more parties do not agree hurts the credibility of this board, and therefore the credibility of the site as a whole. One side of the coin was presented, and I presented the reverse.
Great than lets discuss it.
Let me attempt to re-state my point without the personal anecdotes: I don't believe the "problem" with Pokemon is that it's participants are rude. Any competitive situation will always leave one party feeling good (the winner) and one player feeling bad (the loser). Have any of you ever played sports?
Of course I have I'm a very competive person. Ran CC and Track in High School along with playing soccer. College I do Martial Arts two of them have competition based aspects.
This is a part of competitive human nature. Sure, there are more and less appropriate ways for a win or loss to be handled. BUT, I played competitive athletics at the college level and now I coach at the High School level, and I must say that the behavior I've seen displayed after a rough Pokemon match does not even compare to some of the things I've seen in a post-game handshake line.
Yep I've been those lines to and I know what your talking about. I think it has a lot to do with expectation. If I walk into a bar I should expect it to be loud, alot of yelling and stupid intoxicated people. However if I walk into a library I should not be bombard with the same thing. Horrible annology but I hope you get what I'm trying to say. Sadly this is far more expected in competive High School and College sports. Pokemon on the other hand is far more "kid friendly" game, sportsmanship is a huge aspect of the game and pushed strongly by POP.
In my honest opinion, the real problem is the general oversensitivity of Pokemon players. So what if someone doesn't shake after a game because they're ticked at you? So what if they say things like "you got lucky" or "must be nice"... take your win and cruise! There are thousands of Pokemon players; make friends with those whose behavior is attractive to you, and don't get caught up with the bad apples.
In summary, the point I was trying to make is that Pokemon players, in general, take things a little too seriously. And, in my opinion, this article is a prime example of that, especially the portion that took a shot at Team Warp Point - a bunch of kids from Michigan who are just trying to have fun.
I don't have a problem with your team, heck I don't even know any of you. My comment was refering to anything that people could take as a slap in the face at the end of the game. As you already said tentions run high why risk pissing people off more?
Look, there was nothing in my post that necessitated or justified a deletion. Censorship of a perfectly reasonable discussion where 2 or more parties do not agree hurts the credibility of this board, and therefore the credibility of the site as a whole.
In summary, the point I was trying to make is that Pokemon players, in general, take things a little too seriously. And, in my opinion, this article is a prime example of that, especially the portion that took a shot at Team Warp Point - a bunch of kids from Michigan who are just trying to have fun.
Very nice post, Jay. I was actually thinking of writing something along these lines.
If I could add on (not sure how off-topic this is), looking back at my TCG experience as shown me that being a generally GOOD PERSON will get you very far in this game. When I took the game a lot more seriously a few years ago, I wasn't very good. Now, I'd at least like to think that I can compete with the best of them.
Turning point in my Pokemon TCG "career" was sending a PM to Ryan Vergel, politely asking for some help with a decklist. Now, he's one of my best friends. I playtest with the likes of him, Pooka, Holton, Magnechu, ChaosJim, and so on. A lot of my best friends in this game (and outside) are some of the most accomplished players.
Not trying to brag, but get the point across that being well-liked can do wonders for you both in-game and out.
, b. since the OP was not aware of the meaning, origin, or correct application of the phrase, he should not have referenced it.
As far as Pokepop's deletion rationale goes, the phrase I used was about as Mickey Mouse as it gets and didn't contain a single curse word, or any word/phrase that isn't in the average person's vocabulary by the time they're 10. Calling it "graphic" and "profane" is overdramatic, and, as I said, deleting it hurts the integrity of the website. There is a time and place for censorship; that was not it, because now my original post can be quoted piece by piece without any frame of reference or context.
I'm gonna fall back myself before I GET modded.