prodigal_fanboy
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This is a safe list, which is what Gym article should go with. I didn't read the matchups because they're usually not even accurate/important, but nicely done on a list that simply avoids bad decisions.
Luxray GL/ Garchomp C
- Thread starter Blitzer
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I would also like to mention two really nice SP techs for this deck:
1-1 Dialga G lv X
or
1-1 Blaziken FB lv X
Each have their strengths and weakness. The weakness of using either card means you'll have to drop 2-3 card from Blitzer's very consistent list in favor of versatility. This is also not so much a matter of playstyle, as it is metagaming. The pros that each card share is that they are both "answers" to early trainer lock, which will kill Luxchomp without a fantastic start imo. They also can greatly take advantage of the SP engine, which is something that you don't get when play cards like 1-1 Drifblim or 1-1 Honchkrow.
1-1 Dialga really helps against straight Vilegar as it allows you to dump all the trainer's out of your hand so you dont get Poltergeist swept. Dialga also has the benefit of turning off Mewtwo lv X's (and other less-dehibilitating poke-bodies), which can be tech'd into Vilegar. The weakness of Dialga is his 2 retreat, so benching him will be a huge pain. Also, you will lose even more consistency if you decide tech in a basic metal into your list so you can use Deafen or Second Strike, all options to consider, especially cause early game deafen can really save you against T1 turbo trainer decks or even against opposing SP. The basic metals also allows you to (lol) attack with lucario or bronzong, but these are usually inferior options/losing tactics. However, Lucario Gl is capable of ohkoing a Luxray Gl with one energy on it, Luxray Gl lv X with two energy + flash bite or 3 energies on it, a tyranitar prime with (lol) 5 energies on it, and Regigigas with 4 energy on it (pretty useful).
1-1 Blaziken also helps against Vilegar, and offer's a devastating counter to tank steel pokemon with fire weaknesses such as Steelix and Dialga G lv X. Where Blaziken shines is it's ability to disrupt opposing set-up's with only one fire energy by using luring flame. It's like a bright look that can't be sprayed but will end your turn. This can be a life saver by pulling up benched Vileplume or Regiice and other high retreat pokemon. Not only that, but Blaziken's lv X can sweep games if you can get him out T2, as most decks don't have an answer to early, constant 80 dmg a turn for such low energy costs. It also offer's you a 3rd/4th option for a primary attacker. 1 retreat is also quite manageable, although obviously not as good as free retreat. Blaziken's weakness is that he'll require an addition fire energy to use, which disrupts consistency. He's also open to being revenge KO'd to common sp techs like promocroak or drangonite FB as jet shoot causes blaziken to eat 40 dmg the follwing turn.
I also want to mention that ditto is actually pretty versatile with some crafty usage of bronzong G. You can power him up the turn you play him (if your galactic switch doesn't get sprayed) against any pokemon that you have the energy for. By playing electric/psychic/DCE in your list, you can power up to 3 energies the turn ditto gets played, and can be useful for revenging opposing Garchomps and Dragonites due to Ditto's colorless typing. You can even copy the attacks of common pokemon such luxray, azelf, promcroak, or maybe even opposing dialga or blaziken if you're playing the right energy.
1-1 Dialga G lv X
or
1-1 Blaziken FB lv X
Each have their strengths and weakness. The weakness of using either card means you'll have to drop 2-3 card from Blitzer's very consistent list in favor of versatility. This is also not so much a matter of playstyle, as it is metagaming. The pros that each card share is that they are both "answers" to early trainer lock, which will kill Luxchomp without a fantastic start imo. They also can greatly take advantage of the SP engine, which is something that you don't get when play cards like 1-1 Drifblim or 1-1 Honchkrow.
1-1 Dialga really helps against straight Vilegar as it allows you to dump all the trainer's out of your hand so you dont get Poltergeist swept. Dialga also has the benefit of turning off Mewtwo lv X's (and other less-dehibilitating poke-bodies), which can be tech'd into Vilegar. The weakness of Dialga is his 2 retreat, so benching him will be a huge pain. Also, you will lose even more consistency if you decide tech in a basic metal into your list so you can use Deafen or Second Strike, all options to consider, especially cause early game deafen can really save you against T1 turbo trainer decks or even against opposing SP. The basic metals also allows you to (lol) attack with lucario or bronzong, but these are usually inferior options/losing tactics. However, Lucario Gl is capable of ohkoing a Luxray Gl with one energy on it, Luxray Gl lv X with two energy + flash bite or 3 energies on it, a tyranitar prime with (lol) 5 energies on it, and Regigigas with 4 energy on it (pretty useful).
1-1 Blaziken also helps against Vilegar, and offer's a devastating counter to tank steel pokemon with fire weaknesses such as Steelix and Dialga G lv X. Where Blaziken shines is it's ability to disrupt opposing set-up's with only one fire energy by using luring flame. It's like a bright look that can't be sprayed but will end your turn. This can be a life saver by pulling up benched Vileplume or Regiice and other high retreat pokemon. Not only that, but Blaziken's lv X can sweep games if you can get him out T2, as most decks don't have an answer to early, constant 80 dmg a turn for such low energy costs. It also offer's you a 3rd/4th option for a primary attacker. 1 retreat is also quite manageable, although obviously not as good as free retreat. Blaziken's weakness is that he'll require an addition fire energy to use, which disrupts consistency. He's also open to being revenge KO'd to common sp techs like promocroak or drangonite FB as jet shoot causes blaziken to eat 40 dmg the follwing turn.
I also want to mention that ditto is actually pretty versatile with some crafty usage of bronzong G. You can power him up the turn you play him (if your galactic switch doesn't get sprayed) against any pokemon that you have the energy for. By playing electric/psychic/DCE in your list, you can power up to 3 energies the turn ditto gets played, and can be useful for revenging opposing Garchomps and Dragonites due to Ditto's colorless typing. You can even copy the attacks of common pokemon such luxray, azelf, promcroak, or maybe even opposing dialga or blaziken if you're playing the right energy.
Smeargle and Chatot is overkill. One or the other. Dragonite is staple in my opinion. LC mirror is so much harder against a build with dragonite. You mention Absol, but you didn't even mention the best techs, Dialga and Blaziken or even ERL. Those are standard. I don't see why they aren't in the article unless I missed it. And 3-1 Garchomp is amazing.
thunderjolt
New Member
Good article. I don't play SP, and thus this article didn't help me build a better SP deck. However, this article did give me a few ideas on ways that I can tech against LC or at least play against it better.
Check your star rating now. Is it any better. I gave it a 5.
Check your star rating now. Is it any better. I gave it a 5.
pokerplayerBLARG
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Amazing article dude!!!!!!!
webheadAZH1
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alright they are all gonna get rotated out im sooo pumped!!!
Elite_4_Allen
New Member
Nice article Simon, but im gonna have to give it a one star because it loses to the bdif KGL.
Just kidding. 5/5
Just kidding. 5/5
chrisrocks
Member
nice article simon
but you missed somfin on your dialgachomp matchup (using ambipom G to move SP metals onto azelf LOL)
but you missed somfin on your dialgachomp matchup (using ambipom G to move SP metals onto azelf LOL)
CFOURCOLTSFAN
Active Member
Also i think some other techs worth noting would be-
Weavile G
Roserade GL
Also if if i run into a ton of KGL i'm gonna kill all you guys, it is a terrabad matchup and a pain, somehow i'm 3-0 v. it w/ LuxChomp(which when i test it it seems likes it's 70-30 in favor of KGL....)
Weavile G
Roserade GL
Also if if i run into a ton of KGL i'm gonna kill all you guys, it is a terrabad matchup and a pain, somehow i'm 3-0 v. it w/ LuxChomp(which when i test it it seems likes it's 70-30 in favor of KGL....)
smacktack15
New Member
I thought the article was ok but I disagree with your match-ups quite a bit, LuxChomp isn't that favourable over everything. It is and it isn't, but putting it above all SP is wrong. A great sabblock or dialgachomp will almost always beat an average luxchomp player (your target audience) because anyone reading this article shouldn't know a good luxchomp list to begin with (unless they are just browsing).
So, are we talking about Lostgar or Vilegar? Call me crazy, but I thought you were supposed to be Lost Zoning stuff...I'm not really sure how fainting spell affects that...IF Gengar SF is active, then there is no lost zoning.
elekid_957
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Lol I love it when ppl take me seriously. But kgl beats luxchomp 60-40 or 70-30 depending on whether or not they play belt
I respect your opinion, but I am going to have to disagree. I bolded the points you put in there. You are comparing GREAT players to AVERAGE players. IT doesn't really work. I think I had it right with my matchups. The matchups are meant for players of equal skill.
charataxe: I don't know if you know, but VileLostGar is about to get insanely popular after Andceo placed #2 a the ECC.
Everybody Else THANKSSSS!!!!
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Umm, what are you talking about??
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And also, I will add more techs as I free up some time.
Great article, I must say a tech of Mesprit is a killer when played at the right time. Especially in a format where powers are so dominate. Also Seeker I have found to be an amazing card as well. It is almost like another Poke Turn and can help get a donk. Other then that I would say your list is looks pretty good.
himynameisrobson
New Member
Congrats for the article, very well-written. I just wanna know why you didn't mention nothing about Weavile G? It's a very good card against LostGar and Vilegar, also a good starter.
AlmightyGoldenGarchomp
Member
what you do with garchomp against manectric and bench sheild?